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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Since 66 of the 70 cars are required for the evening peak, I suspect there is limited scope to have cars out of service for an extended period.  I would also suspect that the re-engining and paint jobs are done in separate shops at the depot.
Is that figure network-wide? Also they have to take into account the immanent electrification of the Gawler line - there will ultimately be surplus 3000's unless they extend the remaining diesel timetables/destinations (can't see the present state government doing that).
don_dunstan
Yes, that's the total allocation of DEMU cars in any evening peak.

15 new three car EMUs are to be ordered as part of the Gawler Line Electrification Stage 2 project. This will be enough to completely displace DEMUs from the Gawler line and allow a small increase in Gawler line service. Stage 1 includes electrifying the siding on the north side of Salisbury, which would allow EMUs to take over stopping services terminating at Salisbury if the government chose to do so.

The cascaded DEMUs would go partially towards enhancing capacity to Belair (Belair passengers still haven't got the service back to the level it was in the mid-2000s) and the various destinations via Woodville, and partially towards reducing the total usage of the fleet.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Yes, that's the total allocation of DEMU cars in any evening peak.

15 new three car EMUs are to be ordered as part of the Gawler Line Electrification Stage 2 project. This will be enough to completely displace DEMUs from the Gawler line and allow a small increase in Gawler line service. Stage 1 includes electrifying the siding on the north side of Salisbury, which would allow EMUs to take over stopping services terminating at Salisbury if the government chose to do so.

The cascaded DEMUs would go partially towards enhancing capacity to Belair (Belair passengers still haven't got the service back to the level it was in the mid-2000s) and the various destinations via Woodville, and partially towards reducing the total usage of the fleet.
justapassenger
Oh well while we're at it let's speculate about where Steve Marshall could allocate several 3000's to opening up in conjunction with greenfields development; let's face it a semi-frequent city rail service has been a factor in the runaway success of dormitory developments like Wallan and Drouin (VIC), Steve Marshall might get clever and demand upfront money from developers before approving new commuter belt towns with rail services attached. ScoMo said himself the other day that Adelaide is "crying out for migrants" (?) so maybe our prosperity could be fuelled by becoming a people farm like Melbourne.

Anyway, let's speculate for a moment about where they could allow commuter McSuburbs to pop up around Adelaide.

The Barossa line remains in place from the cancellation of the "Stony" to Nurioopta (pop 6,000) and there's also Tanunda and Lyndoch on the way. Kapunda remains another possible destination with Freeling and Roseworthy on the way - probably a less contentious choice because development won't encroach on vintage vineyards. Virginia has also been discussed before because the development has already started there but there's concern that Adelaide's market gardens will be completely eaten by McMansions before too long - Werribee is going the same way unfortunately.

In the other direction I can only see a possible use for the 3000's on Nick Xenophon's pie-in-the-sky re-establishment of a commuter rail service to Mt Barker - maybe not a bad idea on paper considering Mt Barker is already growing at an astonishing pace and maybe it would take pressure off the roads. Personally I think the Heysen Tunnels are probably responsible for Mt Barker's urban explosion despite the fact that the SA govt traditionally has had an anti-development policy that deep into the hills because of the problems of water and sewage there.

Anyway... just having an armchair think about what they could possibly do that might involve expanding the Adelaide Metro footprint with their dozen or so spare 3000's...
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
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The cascaded DEMUs would go partially towards enhancing capacity to Belair (Belair passengers still haven't got the service back to the level it was in the mid-2000s) and the various destinations via Woodville, and partially towards reducing the total usage of the fleet.
justapassenger
In what respect does the current Belair service fall short of the mid-2000s service?  Looking at the 2003/2006 timetable on the Wayback Machine https://waybackmachine.org/web/20060422073617/http://www.transadelaide.com.au:80/timetables/abwkfr.htm shows that the offpeak service was 2 tph, the same as today and the peak hour service was 3 tph compared with the present 4 tph.
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
Speaking of these 2000s timetables, curiosity persuaded me to have a glance at these, and I can't seem to find any whatsoever that show Islington Works. Has anyone came across any digital versions that do list it?

According to my own post from 2006, it was out of use by the end of 2000.
  Heath Loxton Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
Meanwhile there is now a rather annoying 35 kph TSR, on the western lines, between the Adelaide dental hospital and the Torrens river bridge. I wonder what has caused this to pop up considering the tracks were only replaced earlier this year through there ?
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Meanwhile there is now a rather annoying 35 kph TSR, on the western lines, between the Adelaide dental hospital and the Torrens river bridge. I wonder what has caused this to pop up considering the tracks were only replaced earlier this year through there ?
Heath Loxton
The TSR signs are of an interesting fold-up design and have been in place but obscured for a number of months.  This suggests that the restrictions are for pre-planned work.  My initial thought was that it could be in connection with the relocation of the Operations and Signallling Centre to Dry Creek which also involves the construction of a new building on the north side of the tracks opposite the present operations centre to house power supply, signal and comms equipment.  It is possible that new cable ducting has to be installed in the vicinity of the Adelaide yard.  Another possibility is electrification related work.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There's a community event today - a walk down the Torrens to Torrens for the public. I guess it'll be on the news. I couldn't be bothered going there for a "walk through", it's not like there's any kind of a view and it will be open for traffic soon enough.
  Heath Loxton Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
I must admit that it was very generous to allow trains to fly into the yard at 70 kph all the way until the dental hospital. Very Happy

Perhaps instead it should have been 70 to the green track machine shed and then 35 into the station to bring us parallel with the yard limit speed signs on the 4 southern and hills lines. Thoughts ?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Other way around.

All lines (and all vehicles using them) should have ETCS enabled and higher speeds allowed further in.
  DJPeters Chief Train Controller

I have a question about Adelaide Metro trains though and to be more specific about the 3000 cars. Does any one know how many different various new red colour schemes there are as nearly every time you see one it is different than the last one you saw. They must be experimenting to a certain degree. Also I do wish they would not strip off paint or what ever back to a point on the railcar simply to place the red front on them it looks S house to the travelling public. Yes I know that they need as many as possible in service at any time but one would think that they would do it as the cars come in to be upgraded etc and a repaint is included in that upgrade. Some look shocking actually and passengers are noticing it as well. The cars are beginning to look daggy is the word I heard bounced around and looking at some railcars that is really being nice as well.

If they did it the repaint as a rolling upgrade with the replacement motors and electrical it would look a lot better though. Leave the cars in the yellow scheme until that upgrade is done and eventually you would have them all repainted.
As the red extends on the side for only a third of the area of the old yellow/red/blue, it makes sense to remove the old plastic before the red is applied.  However it would appear that removing the old film is a fairly labour intensive job.  The completion of the new livery can extend over a period of time: the reflective blue cowcatcher, the red front/side, the black side window stripe, all blue doors and stripes above and below the front windscreens, and the silver car numbers.  Several cars have spent some time without their side or front numbers. The main variation in the completed version is in the front stripes. The early versions have black above the windscreens, and one car (3120) is plain red without stripes.  A later version has silver over the windscreen and the most recent have silver above and below the windscreen.  The first car (3012) to be repainted has the addition of a red stripe along the body side at the roof line.  All the cars treated so far are from the later Clyde built batch (3113-3140, 3009-3030).  Almost all the 31xx cars done so far are at the "country" end of the formation.  There are currently 3 all-red pairs (3125/26, 3131/32, 3135/36).  3 30xx have both ends red.  Other 30xx have one red and one yellow end.

Since 66 of the 70 cars are required for the evening peak, I suspect there is limited scope to have cars out of service for an extended period.  I would also suspect that the re-engining and paint jobs are done in separate shops at the depot.
62430
Thanks for that answer 62430 as I assumed similar but was not actually sure of it. Yes it appears that the old paint or Vinyl or whatever it is is very hard to remove so I would assume some might get left on them and either painted over or a vinyl stuck over the top of the remaining Adelaide Metro yellow scheme. I must admit though that to me the red stands out a lot more than the yellow though at a distance.
  mawsonboii Station Staff

I have to say with all the new infrastructure popping up all over the Metro area, it's great to see Adelaide slowing becoming a modern city.

a brand new tram network that has been in service for nearly months connecting the east end to the west end.... Oh wait, that got postponed due to a signalling issue.... I have seen some test trams running on the new lines, any updates on when paying passenger services will begin?... oh wait it's a free service that a bus network also covers....
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Drove the newly opened Torrens to Torrens yesterday for the first time, very interesting that it dives quite low under Port Road and the Outer Harbor Line but in other places quite shallow. Nice piece of road anyway, certainly very large and reasonably future-proof you'd imagine.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

You'll actually find that the part under the railway+bikeway bridge is one of the shallower parts.

It's a half-and-half grade separation where the road is partially lowered (South Road is partially lowered as well as the M2) and the railway has a partial-height bridge allowing the approach ramp to come down comfortably before the nearest level crossing in each direction.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Tram extension services start tomorrow.

Timetable
  DJPeters Chief Train Controller

Tram extension services start tomorrow.

Timetable
justapassenger
Why do I see more problems showing up so that on Monday it will have to be closed again. Oh and do not touch the handrails either. By the way this is sarcasm on my part.
  Captainchoochoo61 Locomotive Fireman

Interesting to look at services to Gawler post electrification.



Yes, that's the total allocation of DEMU cars in any evening peak.

15 new three car EMUs are to be ordered as part of the Gawler Line Electrification Stage 2 project. This will be enough to completely displace DEMUs from the Gawler line and allow a small increase in Gawler line service. Stage 1 includes electrifying the siding on the north side of Salisbury, which would allow EMUs to take over stopping services terminating at Salisbury if the government chose to do so.

The cascaded DEMUs would go partially towards enhancing capacity to Belair (Belair passengers still haven't got the service back to the level it was in the mid-2000s) and the various destinations via Woodville, and partially towards reducing the to

Any system in the world seems to experience a large increase in demand  post electrification

The mantra from DPTI seems to be ( allegedly) to increase useage of public transport

At present there are many services overcrowded and could do with increasing consists above four cars.
And Seaford is the same.

So why has no consideration been given to building four five or six car sets for both lines?
To my way of thinking with suburban infill and the inner areas with 7 story towers etc. the whole system could do with a rethink and new thoughts about running trains to serve the public rather than being easy for the DPTI.


Just had a look at the new timetables for the trams
Festival trams are only for weekends and match events at Adelaide Oval
Running from the morning till late at night.

So with a Friday night game the trams will run from 8 AM onwards .
No services for Festival theatre patrons.
Services only run to Glenelg
No service for people to get to and from ent cent car park?
Will events in Elder park be considered?

Wonder how much patronage will be from Ent centre to botanic?
How much patronage to/ from royal Adelaide to Botanic?

Seems like an expensive way to not solve capacity issues.

For once I agree with secret agents cynicism.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Interesting to look at services to Gawler post electrification.

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At present there are many services overcrowded and could do with increasing consists above four cars.
And Seaford is the same.

So why has no consideration been given to building four five or six car sets for both lines?
To my way of thinking with suburban infill and the inner areas with 7 story towers etc. the whole system could do with a rethink and new thoughts about running trains to serve the public rather than being easy for the DPTI.
Captainchoochoo61


A restriction on longer trains is platform lengths, although the new station at Oaklands will make running 6-car Seaford services easier.  Most Gawler line platforms can only accommodate 4-cars, including Mawson Lakes.  Until electrification frees up or delivers extra sets, there is just not the rolling stock available.




Just had a look at the new timetables for the trams
Festival trams are only for weekends and match events at Adelaide Oval
Running from the morning till late at night.

So with a Friday night game the trams will run from 8 AM onwards .
No services for Festival theatre patrons.
Services only run to Glenelg
No service for people to get to and from ent cent car park?
Will events in Elder park be considered?

Wonder how much patronage will be from Ent centre to botanic?
How much patronage to/ from royal Adelaide to Botanic?

Seems like an expensive way to not solve capacity issues.

For once I agree with secret agents cynicism.
Captainchoochoo61

Entertainment Centre/Botanic Gardens will be accessible at Railway Station stop from Festival Centre and via footbridge from Adelaide Oval.  It will be interesting to see how patronage develops.

A major justification for the Festival Plaza spur was not so much to provide a service to the Plaza but to construct the junction at North Tce/King William with a view to a future extension northwards.
  Captainchoochoo61 Locomotive Fireman

"A restriction on longer trains is platform lengths, although the new station at Oaklands will make running 6-car Seaford services easier.  Most Gawler line platforms can only accommodate 4-cars, including Mawson Lakes.  Until electrification frees up or delivers extra sets, there is just not the rolling stock available."

The major part of  the problem is that many platforms were shortened during upgradings.

This reinforces my thoughts that the railways run trains to suit the railways, not to serve the public.

There are now less seats available on trains than there were twenty, thirty, forty years ago.
Running times are not significantly faster so capacity has not increased.

A three car electric set has minimally more seats than a two car 3000 3100 set.

Allowing one hour Gawler to Adelaide travel time.
To provide a 15 minute service requires eight sets for Adelaide bound services between 7 am and 9 am
Allowing 30 minutes Salisbury to Adelaide requires four sets to provide a 15 minute service
The remaining three sets would be utilized on outbound gawler services.
After that time the trains will cycle to provide sets.

No significant increase in capacity unless they supplement with using DEMU consists.

Already there seems to be problems with platform congestion in Adelaide, so if the services were to be increased to 10 minutes frequency , where would they put the extra railcars? I believe that is why so many trains are held outside in the yard.
Running larger trains would reduce costs of drivers, to allow more operators for fare collection etc,and security presence.
It would also reduce congestion in the platforms.

Re the trams
The idea of building seven eighths of a grand junction makes sense. kind of
It does question the effective spending of funds though.

A half of an effective first stage of an extension is questionable. Lets bite the bullet and strengthen the King William Road Bridge. And extend through to North Adelaide.

How much demand is there for Botanic gardens?  How much of that is already serviced better by the existing circle buses over greater distances. And is a tram to St Peters, or payneham or Norwood really a priority that will stack up ?


Take a look at ENTERTAINMENT centre.
Would the benefit of extending the tram to Hindmarsh and the soccer stadium and even down to Findon for the Basketball stadium provide a lot more bang for bucks than the two half baked spurs we have now.
Service sports fans and city workers and shoppers.

Or will they convert the Port line to light rail? That will spend lots of money to not increase capacity.
A tram down Grange Road to ultimately reach West Lakes would increase the catchment area.
A tram down to the airport would increase speed and capacity significantly and service the airport and local population


Lots of half baked practices and not really any new effective transport systems.
I put a thought to a labor politician some time ago about a tram to Findon and west lakes.
He scoffed at it , but in a paper put forward in 2016 it was considered as a possibility.
Fortunately that politician has left parliament.

We have a system, but the basis for it is stuck in the 1950's
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Tram extension services start tomorrow.

Timetable
justapassenger
Was this way the Weatherill government envisaged running it?
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Tram extension services start tomorrow.

Timetable
Was this way the Weatherill government envisaged running it?
don_dunstan
I assume you are refering to the service pattern in the new timetable.  Given the layout of the track that was constructed but the limited number of additional trams procured,  it was inevitable that there would be a shuttle service along North Terrace and a limited service to Festival Plaza.  The only major option was which of the Glenelg or Botanic Gardens services would go to Entertainment Centre and which would terminate at RAH.  With the existing patronage from the RAH and ARS to Vic Sq and beyond, it then wasn't surprising that Festival Plaza was weekends and events only.  Had the further extensions proposed by Labor gone ahead, it was indicated that the principal service patterns in the longer term would have become E-W and N-S at North Tce/King William.
  mike49 Station Staff

The new timetable has reduced the weekend service from the hospital & Adelaide Station to the City Centre & Glenelg by 50% so that mostly empty trams can run to Festival Plaza. It seems to be a case of because we built it we have to use it even though there will be very little demand other than when the footy or special events are on.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide

"A restriction on longer trains is platform lengths, although the new station at Oaklands will make running 6-car Seaford services easier.  Most Gawler line platforms can only accommodate 4-cars, including Mawson Lakes.  Until electrification frees up or delivers extra sets, there is just not the rolling stock available."

The major part of  the problem is that many platforms were shortened during upgradings.
Captainchoochoo61

When were the many platforms shortened?  In the rail revitalisation program (2009-2014) I am aware of only one, Marion, that was shortened to permit construction of the new subway.  Mawson Interchange and the present Oaklands were constucted in the mid 2000s with platform lengths that could handle the maximum 4-car trains which were then operating.  

I am aware from this forum of the 6-7 car loco hauled sets that used to operate to Marino on the predecessor of the Seaford line.  Historically what length of trains were operated to Gawler?  The platform lengths would suggest the equivalent of today's 4 car trains.  Only Salisbury and the new Elizabeth can accommodate longer.


This reinforces my thoughts that the railways run trains to suit the railways, not to serve the public.

There are now less seats available on trains than there were twenty, thirty, forty years ago.
Running times are not significantly faster so capacity has not increased.

A three car electric set has minimally more seats than a two car 3000 3100 set.

Allowing one hour Gawler to Adelaide travel time.
To provide a 15 minute service requires eight sets for Adelaide bound services between 7 am and 9 am
Allowing 30 minutes Salisbury to Adelaide requires four sets to provide a 15 minute service
The remaining three sets would be utilized on outbound gawler services.
After that time the trains will cycle to provide sets.

No significant increase in capacity unless they supplement with using DEMU consists.

Already there seems to be problems with platform congestion in Adelaide, so if the services were to be increased to 10 minutes frequency , where would they put the extra railcars? I believe that is why so many trains are held outside in the yard.
Running larger trains would reduce costs of drivers, to allow more operators for fare collection etc,and security presence.
It would also reduce congestion in the platforms.
Captainchoochoo61

I understand that the original capacity for the 3xxx was reduced when the interior refurbishment was done several years ago.  This was partly to provide wheelchair and cycle storage space.  A problem with the 2+3 seating in the 3xxxx is that people to seem to be reluctant to occupy all the seats.  I have noticed that in the 4000s this is less likely to occur.

When the Gawler electrification is completed, the available electric fleet will comprise not only the 15 new sets being ordered but also the 5-6 sets from the existing fleet that are not required for Seaford/Tonsley. This will permit additional capacity on the Gawler line.


Re the trams
The idea of building seven eighths of a grand junction makes sense. kind of
It does question the effective spending of funds though.

A half of an effective first stage of an extension is questionable. Lets bite the bullet and strengthen the King William Road Bridge. And extend through to North Adelaide.

How much demand is there for Botanic gardens?  How much of that is already serviced better by the existing circle buses over greater distances. And is a tram to St Peters, or payneham or Norwood really a priority that will stack up ?


Take a look at ENTERTAINMENT centre.
Would the benefit of extending the tram to Hindmarsh and the soccer stadium and even down to Findon for the Basketball stadium provide a lot more bang for bucks than the two half baked spurs we have now.
Service sports fans and city workers and shoppers.

Or will they convert the Port line to light rail? That will spend lots of money to not increase capacity.
A tram down Grange Road to ultimately reach West Lakes would increase the catchment area.
A tram down to the airport would increase speed and capacity significantly and service the airport and local population


Lots of half baked practices and not really any new effective transport systems.
I put a thought to a labor politician some time ago about a tram to Findon and west lakes.
He scoffed at it , but in a paper put forward in 2016 it was considered as a possibility.
Fortunately that politician has left parliament.

We have a system, but the basis for it is stuck in the 1950's
Captainchoochoo61

The North Tce/ King William junction has only one quadrant (SW) with two-way curves.

With the recent investment (Port Adelaide viaduct, Port River bridge, Port Dock extension, Torrens Jn/Bowden, T2T Croydon, diesel fleet re-engining) I think it is now extremely unlikely the Port line will be converted to light rail.

1950's railway: steam trains, wooden sleepers, mechanical signalling and level crossings -- not the railway that I see nowadays!
  Captainchoochoo61 Locomotive Fireman

A restriction on longer trains is platform lengths, although the new station at Oaklands will make running 6-car Seaford services easier.  Most Gawler line platforms can only accommodate 4-cars, including Mawson Lakes.  Until electrification frees up or delivers extra sets, there is just not the rolling stock available.

Going back to the days when the public was serviced by public transport.

Six car trains ran to and from Penfield, Holdens,  Gawler
a 10 car ARHS special to the Barossa fitted nicely into Gawler, What about 9 car and loco specials to Gawler racecourse, stopping all stations to Adelaide.

Five car jumbo sets were a regular on the Grange line at the start of the afternoon peak. ( I think that one may have been to allow shunters to pre assemble a longer consist before the peak as the schools in the area did not generate huge traffic except Woodville high ( maybe also a remnant from GMH)

To go back further the race specials to Cheltenham were significant.

And a service both my father and I used a lot. About 7.30 from Cheltenham to Adelaide.
My father caught it to his first employment F and six cars
It was always full .

I lived in the same house for a while and the same service was four redhens

When baggage cars were removed it reduced to 3 cars

Then it evolved to a two car jumbo set.

Now it is a two car 3000 3100

Is this the evolution and improvement of public transport?


The Port question

"With the recent investment (Port Adelaide viaduct, Port River bridge, Port Dock extension, Torrens Jn/Bowden, T2T Croydon, diesel fleet re-engining) I think it is now extremely unlikely the Port line will be converted to light rail."

The reintroduction of Port Dock is another example of short sightedness and reducing the past.

Port dock had capacity to hold two seven car trains.
How many will fit into the new station.
How much further away from most customers is the new station?

Stephen Mullighan said to me before the election that the new services would be provided by existing rollingstock!!
Which services will they reduce to provide the railcars? Utilisation of existing rollingstock is fairly high now.
Port Dock used to be the second busiest arrival point in the system in the AM, and yes the area has changed significantly so has traffic.

But what about services to Gawler, Elizabeth, GMH, Finsbury, Pooraka ???
Yes just funnel people onto the port Expressway with no public transport.


This last one is interesting too. "
" 1950's railway: steam trains, wooden sleepers, mechanical signalling and level crossings -- not the railway that I see nowadays!

Steam Trains Yes you can dry your washing better, but if a train is held up between stations you could open a window and breath, and in most locations you could detrain if necessary.

Have you ever heard somebody say " I will not ride that line because of wooden sleepers" ???
More like that tracks rides rough now because the sleepers do not seem to give.

Mechanical signals.
Does a passenger really care how the trains are controlled except when the train control centre is isolated because of one chopped power supply closing the entire system. Mechanical signals caused less total closure of the system than the new electronic ones have done.

And the very limited inputs into the electrical supply make the entire system vulnerable to failure of one switching station

Level crossings
Near my place there is an updated level crossing and the bells start ringing before it leaves a nearby station, eventually the train approaches at walking pace, squeals around the bend.and eventually accelerates after the crossing.
Takes several minutes now to allow me to proceed in my car.
I am still looking for the employee with a red flag walking in front of the railcar.

Recently I saw a photo of a level crossing and from the angle of the photo it showed a pole with traffic lights and signage attached  obscuring the traditional red lights with more signage attached and a nice sky high elevated set of lights, they were obscured by a large  tree making them somewhat redundant.
How much did this corner of the system cost to provide obscured signage and lights.

The system of today has
No services to
Bridgewater, Pooraka, Penfield, GMH, Morphett Vale Hackham etc, Finsbury, Henley Beach, Wingfield, Birkenhead etc. Barossa Valley, Virginia, Roseworthy

Reduced services to North Adelaide to Dry Creek, Mile End.

And no trains to any country destinations.

Less capacity on services, less staff on stations, less toilet facilities, lots more cameras to record rapes and assaults, but less physical security to stop assaults.
A security camera is only effective if somebody is watching it. It is no comfort at a murder trial 12 months later !

To me it seems like the railways only want to do half the job they used to do.

And I am concerned about the new transport chief. His track record does not seem to include growth of any business.
  DJPeters Chief Train Controller

I think to grow the system patronage wise then all forms of Public transport need to work together especially at interchanges were if you are on a bus say then you arrive at the interchange just in time to see you tram or train departing. I know it is a near impossible task because of things outside of anyones control at times but if it can be done overseas almost then surely it can be done here. Dropping people off at a interchange and then they have to wait half hour or three quarters of an hour for their connection is not going to win more passengers. Also it is about time that Saturdays were timetabled the same as weekdays as a lot more might then use it, leave Sundays and Public holidays as they are for the time being though. This would allow workers that do shift work and others that work weekends to get around a lot easier and also benefit some commutters who probably would drive somewhere because the public transport does not run often enough.

If there was enough people using it then even Sundays and public holidays could all have the same timetable as weekdays, it would make timetables so much simpler as well for every body including the operators. The whole public transport in SA needs to be dragged out of the 20th century and bought up to date for the 21st century users. Unfortunately while Adelaide Metro is top heavy with so called Text Book Experts then it will sadly never happen, the whole lot of them need to look out side of their comfort zones though.

The whole system needs to be overhauled to stop duplication of services that happen in a lot of places, use the buses to feed the rail and tram systems more, unfortunately a lot of bus services in Adelaide today are still just the old original tram routes but now run by a bus service. Get it right and patronage on all would increase I think.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Does the issue of platform length with modern (2000, 3000, 4000) railcars arise because of the increased length (25m) of these railcars compared with the shorter length of the Redhens (20m) and loco hauled stock?  A modern 6-car set is 150m long compared with the earlier 6-car consists which were only 120m overall.  Thus platforms such as on the Gawler line which would have handled the older 6-car sets are not long enough for a modern 6-car.

I note with interest that the platforms at the 3 Penfield stations at 214m must have been some of the longest on the entire suburban network.

It was interesting to read your references to the Redhen services and be reminded of the industrial nature of many of the deceased branches.

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