Hornsby to Cowan

 
  Dkml Beginner

Hi. I have been reading these forums for a while. What I was wondering is there any photos of "Tin Hares" operating on the Hornsby to Cowan run pre electrification. I see plenty of photos of these trains but none on this particular line. Thanks

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  georges Train Controller

Some possibilities -
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/hornsby-advocate/steam-trains-were-quite-the-drawcard-at-hornsby-station/news-story/cbb2fa786ea56bf79662b32c8b320ef

http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-155356931/view

http://archive.is/HcEE (fourth image)

I recall once, in the 1950s, seeing the Hornsby Cowan service being operated by a 30 class loco with one car - loco leading in one direction, car first in the other.
  Dkml Beginner

Many thanks for that. It was always something I wanted to see. When I was a young boy a close relative who lived next to the train line just south of Mt Colah told me that "Tin Hares" used to run before electric. When I was on holidays at kiama I used to watch the hares come in and leave. So I was always intrigued just something I needed to see. Once about 1974 the all stations to Cowan from hornsby came in. I was intrigued by one of the cars in the set. I travelled on it and it always stuck out in my mind as the carriage was all wood and had old fittings. I know now it was an original Bradfield. It was a completely different experience. Just as an aside. I used to catch the train every morning to school with a young Mel Gibson at Mt Kuringai. He was an unknown just at that point but the girls worked out who he was pretty smartly. Lol.
  5915 Chief Commissioner

I do recall that at least on one or two occasions tin hares were used post-electrification between Hornsby and Cowan perhaps when work was required on the overhead.

Sounds like Dkml was a contemporary as I was at ABHS from 1971 to 1975 and had a couple of the Gibson boys as classmates in '74 and '75.

5915
  Dkml Beginner

I think we are very close contempories. May I jog your memory. Mr Henderson. Top bloke when u got to know him. Mr Mcleod the pigeon man. And that absolute gentleman Mr Miller. Are we on the same page?
  5915 Chief Commissioner

Add to that list Ray Kench.  Mr Henderson and Mr Miller have passed away not sure about Mr McLeod.

5915
  Dkml Beginner

Yep we are definitely on the same page
  georges Train Controller

More images here -
https://berowralivinghistory.com/tag/heritage/page/16/ (second image)

https://hornsbyshire.recollect.net.au/nodes/view/2634

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johncowper/15902160281/in/album-72157649521310351/ (2014 photo)

Have sometimes wondered why Cowan, once a Sydney metropolitan train station but, since electrification, Berowra - the previous station - became the northern terminus for suburban trains.  Contrast with how electrification led to Emu Plains and Macarthur, each one station beyond the former termini of Penrith and Campbelltown (respectively) becoming the limit of suburban operations on their lines.
  arctic Assistant Commissioner

Location: Zurich
Add to that list Ray Kench.  Mr Henderson and Mr Miller have passed away not sure about Mr McLeod.

5915
5915
ShockedI knew those guys too - I was in ABHS from 75-80. Caught the train most days from Berowra - usually single deck 8 car sets. I went through with Mr Millers twin boys and knew Mr Kench (he was kind to me when my dad passed unexpectedly) and Mr Henderson.

Cheers
  NSW3802 Station Master

Some possibilities -
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/hornsby-advocate/steam-trains-were-quite-the-drawcard-at-hornsby-station/news-story/cbb2fa786ea56bf79662b32c8b320ef

http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-155356931/view

http://archive.is/HcEE (fourth image)

I recall once, in the 1950s, seeing the Hornsby Cowan service being operated by a 30 class loco with one car - loco leading in one direction, car first in the other.
georges
The normal peak hour services were usually a 30 class with 3 or 4 cars, and offpeak services were the CPH railmotors.

It would be extremely doubtful that a passenger train was operated propelling the passenger car, as this was prohibited in all train working instructions.

Every fortnight in the 1950s a water train operated between Hornsby & Cowan to provide water to the railway staff who lived in tents along the line. Usually a 30 class, guards van, water tanks and guards van.

Les
  Transtopic Chief Train Controller

In the late 1950's when I was at school, I used to catch the Tin Hare from Hornsby to Asquith to visit a schoolmate. It still sticks in my mind how smooth they were.  After extension of electrification from Hornsby to Cowan, the suburban trains ran from Cowan to the city via Strathfield.  This is a pattern I can see being re-introduced with an extension of the semi-express services from Hornsby via Strathfield in peak hours, following conversion of the ECRL to metro, albeit from Berowra, with North Shore trains terminating at Hornsby.
  georges Train Controller

I recall once, in the 1950s, seeing the Hornsby Cowan service being operated by a 30 class loco with one car - loco leading in one direction, car first in the other.
It would be extremely doubtful that a passenger train was operated propelling the passenger car, as this was prohibited in all train working instructions.

Les
NSW3802

My childhood recollection must be wrong.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I recall once, in the 1950s, seeing the Hornsby Cowan service being operated by a 30 class loco with one car - loco leading in one direction, car first in the other.
It would be extremely doubtful that a passenger train was operated propelling the passenger car, as this was prohibited in all train working instructions.

Les

My childhood recollection must be wrong.
georges
Is it possible that you saw a shunting move at Hornsby, with the train being pushed into the station from the carriage sidings to the north of the platforms. The car should be a CCA or an independent HFA, since guard's accommodation would be needed.

Peter
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Some years ago now someone posted a link here to a photo at Hornsby Shire of a CPH 2 car train in No3 platform.

My first raifan trip, at about 4-5yo, was with a neighbour and her couple of years older son on the CPH Hornsby-Cowan and return, so mid to late 50s. Sadly neither of my parents lent me a camera that day.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
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Every fortnight in the 1950s a water train operated between Hornsby & Cowan to provide water to the railway staff who lived in tents along the line. Usually a 30 class, guards van, water tanks and guards van.

Les
NSW3802
I saw this train 3 times in the early 60s. It used a std goods, which at the time I assumed was the North Shore goods engine as there was nothing parked in the loco depot. I had a guards van on both ends of one gin on two occasions and the other time had two gins.
  M636C Minister for Railways

While I don't remember CPHs at Hornsby, I do recall the old type rail pay buses which used to sit on the tracks leading from the turntable which was just east of No 1 platform. There was a sort of locomotive depot on tracks to the east of the yard at a lower level than the yard itself. These were 50 or 53 class used on the North Shore goods trains, and presumably as bankers on Cowan prior to electrification.

Peter
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
While I don't remember CPHs at Hornsby, I do recall the old type rail pay buses which used to sit on the tracks leading from the turntable which was just east of No 1 platform. There was a sort of locomotive depot on tracks to the east of the yard at a lower level than the yard itself. These were 50 or 53 class used on the North Shore goods trains, and presumably as bankers on Cowan prior to electrification.

Peter
M636C
These are my Hornsby depot relevant photos http://www.ipernity.com/search/photo?opt=&q=hornsby+depot&w=290173&t=0&lic=&s=0

I also remember the reddish brown coloured paybus being parked on the turntable road. The same type as was restored in a greeny colour scheme ~5 years ago. I saw it in action at least once, it stopped in platform 4 and packets/envelopes were handed to rail employees.

Through 1965 and into '66 I went to the depot on several/many Sunday afternoons (leave my bicycle at the bottom of the embankment in George St below the depot) to watch and 'help' the driver and fireman prepare and light up the loco for the North Shore goods to run that evening. I only remember seeing 53s and 55s but not 50s.

My photos show 3 roads in the depot plus a fourth one at a higher level. I saw, once or twice, an L wagon with coal parked on this road. There was also an L wagon kept near the loco for carrying ash away. The three depot roads extended nearly to the embankment for the Bridge St bridge.

I used to have two issues of the ARHS Bulletin from, I think, 1964 one which described Hornsby as a depot for suburban locos. This may be where I can remember seeing photos of it. The other issue described Cowan Bank and the depot at Hawksbury River. This supplied the steam bank engines. I saw 46s kept there attached to bank through diesel hauled trains and steam tours.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Hi. I have been reading these forums for a while. What I was wondering is there any photos of "Tin Hares" operating on the Hornsby to Cowan run pre electrification. I see plenty of photos of these trains but none on this particular line. Thanks
Dkml
Here you go. This is a different one to the one I mentioned earlier.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/hornsby-advocate/steam-trains-were-quite-the-drawcard-at-hornsby-station/news-story/cbb2fa786ea56bf79662b32c8b320eff

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Another

https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/heritageapp/HeritageItemImage.aspx?ID=4801906#ad-image-6

2nd edit Berowra station.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d8/59/5d/d8595d0e4ece9ed28c59a61cc7829d23--sydney-trains.jpg
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
I do recall that at least on one or two occasions tin hares were used post-electrification between Hornsby and Cowan perhaps when work was required on the overhead.

Sounds like Dkml was a contemporary as I was at ABHS from 1971 to 1975 and had a couple of the Gibson boys as classmates in '74 and '75.

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  iknowstuff Beginner

Where did the BHP derailment thread go? Already know the answer!
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

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Where did the BHP derailment thread go? Already know the answer!
iknowstuff
Try here https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398710-0-asc-s0.htm

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