Blayney, Milthorpe, Orange daily service

 
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Locals are petitioning for this service as an extension of the daily Bathurst run.

How could this work? Are there enough Endeavours/Explorers and XPTs to go around? Is this a return to the hook and pull scenario of a few years ago? Should the line to Bathurst be electrified to guarantee Bathurst it's daily services?

Should the proposed Orange services just get more rubber?

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  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Locals are petitioning for this service as an extension of the daily Bathurst run.

How could this work? Are there enough Endeavours/Explorers and XPTs to go around? Is this a return to the hook and pull scenario of a few years ago? Should the line to Bathurst be electrified to guarantee Bathurst it's daily services?

Should the proposed Orange services just get more rubber?
ANR
Would you consider spending billions to electrify to Bathurst a good business decision for 1 or 2 trains a day?
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-34316/

Here is the link to the story....

Anything is possible considering the spending frenzy by the NSW govt in recent times.

Bathurst and surrounds is a growing area, and city dwellers are moving further west to Bathurst and Orange.

Where would they find the extra trains?
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Locals are petitioning for this service as an extension of the daily Bathurst run.

How could this work? Are there enough Endeavours/Explorers and XPTs to go around? Is this a return to the hook and pull scenario of a few years ago? Should the line to Bathurst be electrified to guarantee Bathurst it's daily services?

Should the proposed Orange services just get more rubber?
ANR
The XPT runs the Orange-Bathurst section in 75 minutes.

The Bathurst Bullet departs at 0546 so a passenger boarding at Orange would need be awake around 0400 to get the train to Sydney for a 0930 arrival.

By all reports the Bathurst Bullet is pretty popular as-is, so I can't see them extending it beyond Bathurst unless they make it an XPT-ish sized service. However, running another XPT from Dubbo in the wee hours in a mirror image of WT27/28 at present would seem to make sense...
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
 However, running another XPT from Dubbo in the wee hours in a mirror image of WT27/28 at present would seem to make sense...
KRviator

This is the problem with lots of the regional services - Eg, if you had a Wagga-Sydney service that left somewhere like 4am and returned maybe midnightish I beleive that a significant number of people would use it.
  5915 Chief Commissioner

Looking at existing travel times could come up with the following timetable (rounded times)

Down

Sydney       1730
Bathurst     2100
Orange       2215
Welllington  2330
Dubbo        2400

Up

Dubbo        0400
Wellington  0430
Orange       0530
Bathurst     0615
Sydney      1015

Allows for day return for many destinations with 7 hours in the city.

5915
  5915 Chief Commissioner

Error above in up timetable

Dubbo 0400
Wellington 0430
Orange 0530
Bathurst 0645
Sydney 1025
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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
A few comments
- I don't think there are anymore spare DMU's in NSW (open to correction)

- The Bathurst Bullet currently misses some of the smaller stations that the Dubbo XPT stops at.

- Extension of the O/H is NOT going to happen, it will remain DMU for years to come.

- With the new trains coming to NSW Regional in next few years, there will be scope to add more services, but really the DMU should be running a shuttle to/from Lithgow west, not a 2 car train feeding into sparked network.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
 However, running another XPT from Dubbo in the wee hours in a mirror image of WT27/28 at present would seem to make sense...

This is the problem with lots of the regional services - Eg, if you had a Wagga-Sydney service that left somewhere like 4am and returned maybe midnightish I beleive that a significant number of people would use it.
Very likely true, but the sad reality is, even though it could be full to capacity, it isn't going to cover its' operating cost. Public transport rarely, if ever, does, in Australia at least... So it's easier (not as much planning, paperwork etc), cheaper (no new rollingstock, no extra paths)