Yarra Trams trialling cameras to film vehicles passing trams

 
  Speed Minister for Railways

The Age reports on tests of cameras to get pictures/footage of people overtaking trams while they are stopped.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/snap-tramstop-sneaks-will-be-in-the-picture/2007/07/01/1183228960462.html

MOTORISTS who speed past stationary trams will be caught on camera — and could eventually receive fines and demerit points for it. Yarra Trams is testing still and video cameras on two trams, as it tries to reduce pedestrian accidents and improve driver behaviour.

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Two B-class trams have each been fitted with eight cameras. Some are on the front of the tram, and others are fixed on the side and point to the rear. "What we are trying to do is detecting motorists who violate the road rules," Mr Cliche said.

"We are hoping to be able to, basically, photograph motorists who are passing stationary trams, and motorists who are blocking tram fairways."

The trams are based at the West Preston depot, and have been used on route 112 to Fitzroy Street, St Kilda.

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But if the trial succeeds, it will open the way for the police and the department to lobby the State Government to introduce legislation for fines.

Mr Cliche said trams were often at the mercy of other road vehicles during heavy traffic, with most of the network sharing road space.

"Video will be used to reinforce the fact that something has been done, and the still will take a photograph of a numberplate, much like the speed cameras today," he said.

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It the manual operation is successful, it will have a six-week trial on automatic.

Cameras on the tram will be able to detect motorists speeding past. Yarra Trams has reported about 1000 incidents involving trams and other road users, including pedestrians, every year — more than three a day

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  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
Wasn't something similar fitted to a D1, maybe 3505?
  The Met Chief Commissioner

Location: 37.55-S /145.01-E
B 2063... (I think, It could be B206x)

I rode it on Route 86 in Tuesday evening.

The inside is remarkably unique, and unseen. I thought it was a prototype, but I noticed the camera's that face the rear of the tram at the back, and face forwards at the front.

What's odd about the tram, is the grab handle hardware is different. You have to see it, you'll know what i mean.

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Unless, it's the camera's being installed on most of the B trams i've been riding this past week. (adjacent to driver's cabin)
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
The equipment has been trialled on several trams.  

Since there continues to be a small minority of motorists who choose to ignore (or are possibly unaware of) the "Stop behind stationary trams" road rule some action is necessary.

Trams have right of way on our roads and pedestrians crossing to and from them also have right of way.

It is perfectly possible that drive-by incidents are sometimes the result of country or interstate / international drivers unfamiliar with our laws but ignorance is no excuse.  This would not be true of all incidents in any case.

The tram driver has always been at liberty to report the details but proving who the driver was has always been an issue and courts rely on burden of proof and balance of evidence.  So if driver ( a ) says registration ( b ) drove past but owner ( c ) states he was elsewhere and the driver might have mis-sighted the registration, the case goes nowhere.

With front and rear-facing cameras the intention is to capture images of sufficient clarity to satisfy the courts and to clearly identify both vehicle and driver.

This is the technology currently in the testing phase.

Motorists be advised - these pictures are good and can potentially affect your future driving circumstances.
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
A lot of companies would be saying "That's the police's job" and doing nothing. This is one more sign that Yarra Trams are really trying to fix the system, not just run it the same as it's always been run. Well Done
  Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

Location: FL390
Spotted two B's today on the route 86 both fittted with "tramcam",the numbers were 2052 and 2060.
This morning 2060 conducted an out of service trial of the tramcam system along the route 86.
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
It is about time.  The police do not want to act and the tram drivers can't be bothered reporting the large numbers of cars overtaking when they have stopped.

I have even seen a tram driver leave her cab and stand on the road to tell drivers to stop going past and to let the passengers off !!  I was nearly run over by a police car one day - not in a pursuit, but did not want to miss the lights that would have changed if he let the passengers alight in front of him.
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
get some cams on the B2's based a brunswick depot -
some of the hoons along royal parade in peak time are ridiculous
also people illegally driving along the dedicated tram lines...
  schmocko Train Controller

These cameras are a great idea especially for tram stops, and also for cars that race to beat the tram and cut in, merge too early and too close to the tram!!!

The camera's are great, buses should have them too! Rolling Eyes
  YarraTramDriver Station Master

Location: MELBOURNE
Mate, if we were to report every driver that speeds past a stationary tram, we'd never go home. There are a lot of drivers who point blank ignore the rules and speed through to make lights etc. It's an increasing problem, and I have to be honest, I reckon I see about 3 or 4 close calls per week. It's only a matter of time before someone is killed.
I have even almost come to blows with some motorists, due to the fact that they show absolutely no remorse for almost killing someone, sometimes children. One day, I'll snap, and belt someone, because noting is done to them.
The cameras are a great idea, as long as the footage of offenders is used to convict them.
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
Has anybody else noticed that half of the drivers who speed past stationary trams, are taxi drivers?

Rolling Eyes
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
B 2063... (I think, It could be B206x)

I rode it on Route 86 in Tuesday evening.

The inside is remarkably unique, and unseen. I thought it was a prototype, but I noticed the camera's that face the rear of the tram at the back, and face forwards at the front.

What's odd about the tram, is the grab handle hardware is different. You have to see it, you'll know what i mean.

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Unless, it's the camera's being installed on most of the B trams i've been riding this past week. (adjacent to driver's cabin)
"The Met"


I too have seen this, The Grab rail is mounted differently at the top near the air conditioning vent which too is different, I didn't notice any other real differences but It is nice to see works being done to keep the B2s looking spiffy.
  mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne
I guess a snap-out samurai sword at tyre height wouldn't go with modern OH&S laws? Sad
  TomTank Beginner

This seems the best place to put this post from some time back, showing there being still some political wish to have cameras fitted to trams to catch these speeding drivers.


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-trams-and-cars-on-a-collision-course-new-data-reveals-20180120-h0lks8.html

"There are more than 200 million trips on Melbourne's tram network each year – the majority of which are safe. However, work is under way on passenger and motorist awareness campaigns, driver awareness and upgrading tram stops to improve pedestrian access, safety and accessibility."

Mr Hibbins backed calls for safety cameras to be installed on trams, and said trams needed to be given priority on the roads.
"Unless the government has a plan to create greater tram separation from traffic ... then we are just going to see more accidents, more collisions and near-misses."
  kitchgp Assistant Commissioner

This was written 11 months ago. (No comparison of passenger numbers in 2015 and 2017.) An election approaching?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I was on a tram in East St Kilda once a few years ago (a Siemens) and a truck hit the front of our tram making a huge bang in a desperate rush to beat the tram to a row of parked cars and then just drove off - the driver just noted the time and called in the collision and kept going.

There's still obviously bugger all to protect pedestrians at stops in Melbourne - if drivers know that they will be fined for sure then they'll stop.
  kitchgp Assistant Commissioner

The trial was 10 years ago and suddenly reappears in News (initially, now in this forum) under the title 'Tram-stop sneaks will be in the picture'.

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