ABC 730 report Thursday night

 
  42101 A end Junior Train Controller

The 730 report is doing a piece on local goverment corruption tomorow night featuring our little town of Hay in the Riverina as our ex Shire GM cooked the books here and in other towns he worked in.

Should be very very interesting as the old guard here are well in the smelly stuff...mayor and recently ex deputy mayor....both extremly long term holders of these offices which they regularly swapped over many many years.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
That wouldn't surprise me with most councils around the place, the fat cats are mainly in it for themselves, and not the communities they are supposed to look after, our council of Hurstville was named as one of the ones to be merged, and as such, it is now known as Georges River Council.

Kind Regards
  42101 A end Junior Train Controller

Irfan
Try not to make sweeping accusations i know a person in public office who is way above coruption and our new GM is doing a fantastic job despite the current mayor the previous deputy mayor and the newly elected deputy mayor all trying to get her sacked for pointing out corruption and breaking up the mens club that ruled this town for over 30 years.

These old fart redneck crackers brought themselves undone by publicly stating in a council meeting infront of a lovel koori woman that.....why should we fly that smeg rag from a flagpole at the library (Koori flag) we should still make the black c*nts work for free...etc etc.

Well Don what do you think of that as its right in your style.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

Nothing would surprise me in Local Government. I have first hand experience trying to get a subdivision approved. At one Council district I worked in the Shire Engineer owned the local quarry from which all road materials were purchased. He purchased the gravel, supplied it and invoiced the council and was paid after he certified all was in order!
  42101 A end Junior Train Controller

Neil
thanks for that...very similar goings on here with contracts.
Our Local garbage truck operator who you could set your watch by rain hail or shine after he replied to the new tender with a slightly higher bid than his last contract as he had to by law buy all new otto bins so the  contract went to Cleanaway who did not want the job and tried to get out of it....you could set a sundial by when and if they turn up on the right collection day.

Our new sewerage treatment plant...the contractors  could not get pen on paper quick enough almost breaking bones in the rush to do it...job already $250k over and expected to go to 1.5 mill over yet....both contracts signed by our previous GM Dwyer.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Google Ipswich Qld and check how many mayors etc up on corruption charges plus assorted high officials. The previous long term mayor went to court for corruption and now the replacement in court as well for similar.  The state corruption watchdog sniffing around Logan council  and my own Gold Coast council for similar activities.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Corruption in Australia is completely out of control now and politicians who are looked after by big business are resisting this coming out.  Look at what Turnbull said about the Royal Commission into Finance Industry, as an ex banker he did not want it at all.  ASIC is simply a joke having lost a case that was no losable this last week.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/as-politicians-resist-a-federal-icac-australia-becomes-more-corrupt-20181112-p50fib.html
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Appears that local government isn't subject to level of scrutiny as say state. Barry O'Farrlel was torpedoed by a $3000? Bottle of grange.
Federal ICAC, required, yesterday.

42101, could be some paper shredders working overtime in your neck of the woods.
Will view 7.30 with interest.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Nothing would surprise me in Local Government. I have first hand experience trying to get a subdivision approved. At one Council district I worked in the Shire Engineer owned the local quarry from which all road materials were purchased. He purchased the gravel, supplied it and invoiced the council and was paid after he certified all was in order!
neillfarmer
Hello All,

that is a bit unfair"Neilfarmer" , after all, he was only ensuring that the product met the specification, was sourced locally, employed local residents, were delivered on time and on budget, that all the paperwork was in order , and that there were no discrepancies. By owning the said quarry he ensured that all was present and correct . And he cut out the middleman ! What is there not to like ?

CoolVery Happy

Regards, Radioman
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

in all seriousness , the compulsory tendering out of all contracts will inevitably lead to corruption , partly due to there usually being little real competition due to a host of local factors.

42101 A End's comments about the local garbage truck operator actually highlights the problem. As is pointed out, the legal requirement is to provide new OTTO bins meant the existing, and very satisfactory, contractor, got dumped for the lowest cost contractor who , in reality was not interested and did not expect to win . So the result was the community lost a good service for a bad one , the local operator probably laid off staff , may even have closed down , and what will happen with the next contract ?

The other problem is total cost of projects over a number of years. for example, when VicRoads did the works with a mixture of their own staff and contractors , value for money was generally achieved. This is not the case now , as every Project is a separate contract.

So if you need to upgrade your traffic lights for example, each project is stand alone , therefore each successful tenderer has to buy in the requisite supplies, which includes special cable sold by the reel . The project does not require a reel , and the tenderer does not require more than a reel , so the cable supplier charges for a reel, and will advise when the reel is ready to collect.

The manufacturer will only make the cable to order as traffic light cable is unique to traffic lights , there is no point in making, say a dozen reels if your actual sales will be less than that. Therefore the manufacturer will adjust product output to suit actual demand, which is not known until someone rings up.The result is that the cost per reel has risen substantially , as all risk is now bourn by the manufacturer, and the contractor is potentially stuck with leftover cable that may, or may not get used ( eventually ) , that costs everyone involved money, and that is reflected in the final cost of the project.

When VicRoads did traffic lights, it knew what demand for next year would be, so it arranged a deposit and collect contract, the manufacturer made the number of reels required , and collected the balance when the reels were collected. This meant that VicRoads got a set price for next years demand, the manufacturer got a deposit , and then received full progress payments as the reels were collected . The manufacturer knew exactly how much cable was required and could adjust production to suit the schedule. Therefore the costs were managed and everyone was happy, and the price was good because everyone involved knew exactly what to expect.

The other downside is that short term contracts mean that the successful tenderer has to be sure they make a decent profit because they know that they probably will not get the next tender from that Council , and therefore need to ensure that any resultant wastage costs are covered in advance. Any wastage will doubtless end up in the tip as storage costs for leftovers is expensive , and they may not be able to use up that leftover in any future contract. ( If you doubt this , ask a builder what happens to left over roof tiles , which are supplied by the pallet load , so leftover is guaranteed. )

The long term effect of this is to reduce competition as the smaller tenderers gradually get forced out , cheapest tenders frequently get accepted , so quality inevitably goes down ( never mind the quality, feel the width, and it is cheap ! ) , and the community gets left with substandard results.

This is not a new phenomena , it is why Councils ( and State Governments ) for decades did a lot of things in house , as it was value for money over the long term. President Harry S Truman was once a local mayor supported by the notoriously corrupt Pendergast machine. When challenged as to why road construction contracts went to a non Pendergast affiliated company which charged a higher price , Harry responded that on inspecting the new contractors previous works, he decided that they were a higher quality provider and better value for taxpayers money.

Pendergast did not like that answer, but kept backing Harry as he was the only person prepared to say what he believed, and Pendergast did admire that. When Pendergast eventually died with a ruined reputation, Harry, as Vice President, notably attended his funeral, pointing out that Pendergast had always backed his candidacy over many years and had not interfered or influenced his decisions. ( Many of Pendergast's "friends" and "associates" were notably absent. )

This is not an argument for no contracting , but it is an argument for a mix of in house and contracting , an a desire for Governments to be prepared tp pay for a better product that lasts longer. Cheapest is not always the best , and the best is not always the most expensive , ultimately , this is what professional Public Service staff are paid to do, try and achieve a quality and value for money outcome with a process that is transparent , and in which decisions are based on valid assessments , and not the whim off a compromised individual.

Regards, Radioman.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Here you go....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-15/hay-shire-council-credit-card-use-investigated/10492878
ParkesHub
Hello All,

I fail to see why senior executives and councillors should have their "own" credit card . The have access to Admin staff , let the Admin do the bookings , and the executives and the councillors can put in a chit for food not covered by the bookings, with a prescribed daily limit.

After all , this system applies to staff lower down on the pecking order , and I fail to see why it cannot apply to everyone. Surely the principle is the same ? You are entitled to certain expenses to a certain value , anything above comes out of your pocket , not the companies and not the taxpayer. Or is this too "simple" and too "plebeian" for these people ?

Regards, Radioman.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

Corporate credit cards used honestly can be a good way to streamline small miscellaneous charges. It is unfortunately a great temptation for the less honest.
We had a guy rack up $10,000 in a month on his new card. When investigating the charges they were found to be all for the local brothel. Some Wallah suggested the fellow be counselled, to which Wallah No 2 asked "what for, his sexual appetite or his misuse of the card?
I had one. Each item on the card needed an explanation and if for food it required a list of the persons who ate on the card, a tax requirement. There was great competition to use these cards as the frequent flyer points belonged to the person whose card was used. Of course the most senior person always pulled rank to put the meals etc on his card.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

A lot of the above is due to poor, or lack of, regular auditing.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I have had company credit cards, and I was ultra careful to accounf for every cent I put on them (most of it being fuel, and business travel.) I was always petrified that someone might suspect me of misuse, and that the Wrath of God would descend upon me from a great height.
Looks as though I was wrong.Very Happy
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I have had company credit cards, and I was ultra careful to accounf for every cent I put on them (most of it being fuel, and business travel.) I was always petrified that someone might suspect me of misuse, and that the Wrath of God would descend upon me from a great height.
Looks as though I was wrong.Very Happy
Valvegear
Me too.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Irfan
Try not to make sweeping accusations i know a person in public office who is way above coruption and our new GM is doing a fantastic job despite the current mayor the previous deputy mayor and the newly elected deputy mayor all trying to get her sacked for pointing out corruption and breaking up the mens club that ruled this town for over 30 years.

These old fart redneck crackers brought themselves undone by publicly stating in a council meeting infront of a lovel koori woman that.....why should we fly that smeg rag from a flagpole at the library (Koori flag) we should still make the black c*nts work for free...etc etc.

Well Don what do you think of that as its right in your style.
42101 A end
I caught up with a friend of mine the other day from Port Pirie and you might recall that's the town with the mayor who flew to Manilla to see his girlfriend and subsequently got into hot water... apparently a lot more to that story than was reported on officially. The irony is that the 'new' mayor they replaced him with is even more of a crook according to my friend.

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