2018 State Election / Transport

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
It's a different ball game now:

1. Ali Cupper's enthusiasm for reinstating passenger rail service to Mildura and it was a primary policy of hers...obviously the 7% swing towards her was a factor in that. Peter Crisp, the apparent former National's Member thought he was immune from all challengers.

2. V/Line now operates the track and access charges are now appropriate.

Agreed, the Andrews governments comprehensive majority may be an impediment to the requests of a few country Independents...and on that score, only time will tell.

Mike
I think it's more or less impossible now because of the 80km/h speed restriction along the entire length of the (now standard gauge) line? Also the fact that they'll have to sort out what's happening in and around Ballarat.
don_dunstan

Ever since standardisation which, between Maryborough and Mildura basically meant moving one rail inwards a few inches, I've said many times that passenger trains still cannot operate to Mildura at this time in a timely manner due to the lightweight track which needs a further upgrade, the sight lines to the many unprotected level crossings rectified and the several stations with low level platforms upgraded which will require a complete makeover of those stations and all the others as well

But this doesn't mean that this work shouldn't be undertaken at all and it could be done, incrementally as the Echuca line was over several years.

Mike.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I think it would be a better idea to consider the extension of the Swan Hill line the 120km or so to Mildura, it would probably be the same cost as upgrading the Mildura line to passenger service standards.
  lok1999 Beginner

Location: Shepparton
Yeah, literally no one should be surprised about the result in Shepparton. Neither should they surprised about how badly the Nats did. Attack ads and lies do not work up here, and they proved that this time around.

For instance, they tried to pull a massive scare campaign at one booth on Saturday. Sheed still got 40% at that booth, an increase of around 5-6%
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I think it would be a better idea to consider the extension of the Swan Hill line the 120km or so to Mildura, it would probably be the same cost as upgrading the Mildura line to passenger service standards.
don_dunstan
Already done to death in a feasibility study in 2010.  More like 200 Km+ beyond Swan Hill and $1.2 billion.  (More now of course)
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I think it would be a better idea to consider the extension of the Swan Hill line the 120km or so to Mildura, it would probably be the same cost as upgrading the Mildura line to passenger service standards.
Already done to death in a feasibility study in 2010.  More like 200 Km+ beyond Swan Hill and $1.2 billion.  (More now of course)
Carnot

Piangil to Red Cliffs is given as 171 kilometres on Google Maps, going via Manangatang, Annuello and Hattah.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I think it would be a better idea to consider the extension of the Swan Hill line the 120km or so to Mildura, it would probably be the same cost as upgrading the Mildura line to passenger service standards.
Already done to death in a feasibility study in 2010.  More like 200 Km+ beyond Swan Hill and $1.2 billion.  (More now of course)

Piangil to Red Cliffs is given as 171 kilometres on Google Maps, going via Manangatang, Annuello and Hattah.
Greensleeves
One of the paths was via Piangil - Boundary Bend - Robinvale - Red Cliffs.  The other was via Piangil - Manangatang - Ouyen.

And then you run into the gauge question.  If BG then it would be via Robinvale and DG from Red Cliffs to Mildura.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I think it would be a better idea to consider the extension of the Swan Hill line the 120km or so to Mildura, it would probably be the same cost as upgrading the Mildura line to passenger service standards.
Already done to death in a feasibility study in 2010.  More like 200 Km+ beyond Swan Hill and $1.2 billion.  (More now of course)

Piangil to Red Cliffs is given as 171 kilometres on Google Maps, going via Manangatang, Annuello and Hattah.
One of the paths was via Piangil - Boundary Bend - Robinvale - Red Cliffs.  The other was via Piangil - Manangatang - Ouyen.

And then you run into the gauge question.  If BG then it would be via Robinvale and DG from Red Cliffs to Mildura.
Carnot
Exactly, Mildura going SG has firmly whacked the last nail into the coffin of the Swan Hill idea.

You know my position on the service, but if it must be done, then for heavens' sake don't blow a few extra mill for a mediocre improvement with zero freight benefits.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Possibly the best outcome for Mildura in the medium term is just continuing to upgrade the Swan Hill Line and trains, and making sure the coach connections across are the best they can be?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Lol, the libs are just probably trying to find who to blame for this annihilation. I had expected a Labor victory however not this bloody big.

As for Mildura, it's still pie in the sky due to the NSW gauge invading, highly unlikely though happy to be proven wrong.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Possibly the best outcome for Mildura in the medium term is just continuing to upgrade the Swan Hill Line and trains, and making sure the coach connections across are the best they can be?
TOQ-1
Agree, TOQ, track upgrade to 130k, would smarten the service up a bit.          

( class 2U has a speed limit of 140 I reckon, kudalai ????? possible or stretching / foaming too much )

Woodford may have some simulated speed advice of what may be practical.

BigShunter.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

It's a different ball game now:

1. Ali Cupper's enthusiasm for reinstating passenger rail service to Mildura and it was a primary policy of hers...obviously the 7% swing towards her was a factor in that. Peter Crisp, the apparent former National's Member thought he was immune from all challengers.

2. V/Line now operates the track and access charges are now appropriate.

Agreed, the Andrews governments comprehensive majority may be an impediment to the requests of a few country Independents...and on that score, only time will tell.

Mike
I think it's more or less impossible now because of the 80km/h speed restriction along the entire length of the (now standard gauge) line? Also the fact that they'll have to sort out what's happening in and around Ballarat.
Is there any realistic reason a loco-hauled pass couldn't safely do 100 as on the Bairnsdale line for example? The section past Traralgon is listed as Class 3, like the Mildura line. I say loco-hauled just to take the level crossings out of the equation, but given every crossing past Maryborough is active protected anyway, doesn't that mean a DMU could do it too?
potatoinmymouth
DMU's are currently not permited on the line past Marybourgh. DMU speed limits on class 3 track is 100kph.

woodford
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Mildura having an independent candidate won't mean much for rail with the government having such a strong majority in the lower house. I doubt the new Member for Mildura will be able to push for a box of matches, let alone a billion dollar passenger rail upgrade.

With Labor getting re-elected we can also forget about the Coalitions proposal to extend the Maryborough rail service to Donald. This was realistically the only passenger upgrade the Mildura line was going to get, and from memory, it was never matched by the ALP. Now it too will go in the bin.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Mildura having an independent candidate won't mean much for rail with the government having such a strong majority in the lower house. I doubt the new Member for Mildura will be able to push for a box of matches, let alone a billion dollar passenger rail upgrade.

With Labor getting re-elected we can also forget about the Coalitions proposal to extend the Maryborough rail service to Donald. This was realistically the only passenger upgrade the Mildura line was going to get, and from memory, it was never matched by the ALP. Now it too will go in the bin.
Gman_86
Dunolly gets a mention in the Freight-Passenger Rail Separation Project but it is only mentioned in passing. Donald is another 100km up the line and I don't think any of it will happen now as you say.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/untangling-freight-and-passenger-rail-in-ballarat/

BG
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

DMU's are currently not permited on the line past Marybourgh. DMU speed limits on class 3 track is 100kph.
woodford

I’m aware of that, hence my reference to the Bairnsdale line. Is there any realistic reason, apart from “there’s never been a need to approve it” that DMUs couldn’t run to Mildura at 100km/h today?

(Not saying they should, or I want them to, just trying to get the facts.)
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Mildura having an independent candidate won't mean much for rail with the government having such a strong majority in the lower house. I doubt the new Member for Mildura will be able to push for a box of matches, let alone a billion dollar passenger rail upgrade.

With Labor getting re-elected we can also forget about the Coalitions proposal to extend the Maryborough rail service to Donald. This was realistically the only passenger upgrade the Mildura line was going to get, and from memory, it was never matched by the ALP. Now it too will go in the bin.
Gman_86

As I wrote earlier...

Only time will tell...

I will gleefully resurrect the other Mildura thread to post progress...assuming Ali Cupper is elected.

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I will gleefully resurrect the other Mildura thread to post progress...assuming Ali Cupper is elected.
The Vinelander

80% counted Mike and she's nearly a thousand ahead... let the games begin!Smile
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Mildura having an independent candidate won't mean much for rail with the government having such a strong majority in the lower house. I doubt the new Member for Mildura will be able to push for a box of matches, let alone a billion dollar passenger rail upgrade.

With Labor getting re-elected we can also forget about the Coalitions proposal to extend the Maryborough rail service to Donald. This was realistically the only passenger upgrade the Mildura line was going to get, and from memory, it was never matched by the ALP. Now it too will go in the bin.
Gman_86
It's a whacking great majority isn't it; also you have to worry if its going to end up too Melbourne-centric like Jeff's administration - seeing as that's where all the seats they need apparently are and outside of Melbourne is going to independents anyway.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
If Andrews becomes too Melbourne centric &/or becomes too arrogant because of the majority he'll go the way of Newman in Queensland or Kennett here in Victoria come the next election. If he wants to stay in power hopefully, for him, he's aware of this and learns from others mistakes. If not the electorate will turn on him no matter what positive things he's done. Arrogance does not sit well with us voters as Campbell and Jeff ought to be able to attest to (although that would require them to admit that they were arrogant and I'm not sure Jeff, for one, is willing to admit that even now).

Neil
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Arrogance didn't seem to affect Joh though. Different people up there...
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
The gerrymander up there certainly helped him stay in power long past his "use by" date

Neil
  woodford Chief Commissioner

DMU's are currently not permited on the line past Marybourgh. DMU speed limits on class 3 track is 100kph.

I’m aware of that, hence my reference to the Bairnsdale line. Is there any realistic reason, apart from “there’s never been a need to approve it” that DMUs couldn’t run to Mildura at 100km/h today?

(Not saying they should, or I want them to, just trying to get the facts.)
potatoinmymouth
Although the lines to Mildura and Swanhill are class 3 on both lines an N class is limited to 80 kph for much of the distance so one would assume a DMU would be slower. THe VLine access docs give no reason for this (that is not there task).

I regard this as short term thinking, there's no reason why both these lines should not be true class 2. todays politicians clearly believe tomorrow does not exist and are determined destroy any long term economy.

Note: I have not bothered to do any detailed pass timmings on either line as the line speed is simply to slow. A quickish estimate for  Mildura as class 2 one would see a pass train time in the order of 6.5 to 7 hours

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Post Script,

Again on a quick estimate Swanhill as class 2 track would see a VLocity time in the order of 3h 45 minutes. Even allowing the N class's to run at 115kph would likely cut something like 20 minutes off the current time.

woodford
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Add another 2 hours for a VLo running on new Class 1 or 2 track to Mildura and that's 6hrs total trip.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Did the rail loop help out with the unexpected swings in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne?

https://www.urban.com.au/transport/2018/11/25/did-the-suburban-rail-loop-win-the-victorian-election-for-labor
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
With Labor getting re-elected we can also forget about the Coalitions proposal to extend the Maryborough rail service to Donald. This was realistically the only passenger upgrade the Mildura line was going to get, and from memory, it was never matched by the ALP. Now it too will go in the bin.
Dunolly gets a mention in the Freight-Passenger Rail Separation Project but it is only mentioned in passing. Donald is another 100km up the line and I don't think any of it will happen now as you say.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/untangling-freight-and-passenger-rail-in-ballarat/

BG
BrentonGolding
I am hoping the passing of the election will see some rational decisions being announced in this area consistent with what these boards have been saying for the last couple of years.

Given Ripon is a marginal seat (the ABC still hasn't decided which way it is going), they no doubt would have been messing around with the status quo, but now that we are post election, things might happen more freely.  A lot can be done in 4 years....

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