50 level crossings to be removed

 
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

I think Google Maps begs to differ with you about space on the 'city bound' side of the Upfield line near Macauley Rd. There are a number of commercial buildings currently in the way. Buying them would add substantially to the cost and one feature of this project has been avoidance of property acquisition. And I don't understand what you are trying to say with the rest of your post - there seem to be a lot of assumptions in your post about what connects with what that aren't clear to me. Could you explain your idea more thoroughly so others (e.g. me) can understand? Neil
ngarner


Nope fair enough, there is a little bit of space but it would require acquisition bumping up the cost. Sorry for not being clear with the rest of the post, this was my alternative

My alternative to the Upfield Line Removals

So you could potentially have the Upfield Line run into a tunnel at Royal Park and going via Melbourne Metro 2. This eliminates Macauley Rd, Arden St and Polar Rd Level Crossings. This would give the Upfield Line commuters more services as well as giving them the connection to the Parkville precinct. The other crossings can be done via elevated rail which has been spoken to death about

To justify Upfield running via Melbourne Metro 2 you would duplicate the line and extend it to Cragieburn via the Somerton Link, again we have discussed this.

However, a line to Wollert is going to be eventually constructed and run via MM2. My proposal is that you could have an extension from Cragieburn to Wollert (9-11km) as stage 1 and then from Wollert to Epping (6km) as stage 2.

The Cragieburn Line could be extended to Wallan to cover for the Upfield Line now being extended to Wollert. This has many benefits.

- Upfield Line LX Removals and gets to run via to Parkville, then via MM2
- Wollert gets a train service as proposed and also puts the Upfield Line to good use
- Eliminates 3 LX including Macauley Rd
- When Stage 2 of my proposed Wollert Line is implemented, from Wollert to Epping, it will improve orbital connectivity and connect the Cragieburn/Upfield Lines to the Mernda Lines via Wollert

- Wallan is still part of Metro but runs via Cragieburn Line then via the loop to Baxter as proposed

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  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

This point is slightly off topic but if the Clyde thread is anything to go by this is fine. I don't get the obsession that many here have with putting the Upfield line into a tunnel. Why does in need that capacity? If anything, the Craigieburn/Mernda lines really need the capacity. If they're desperate they could acquire the properties beside the railway line and trench, but there are so many more pressing issues. Metro 2 does not need the Upfield line in it. Mernda+Wollert is enough. I could name 20 other projects more worthy of the money needed even to connect the Upfield line to Metro 2.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

This point is slightly off topic but if the Clyde thread is anything to go by this is fine. I don't get the obsession that many here have with putting the Upfield line into a tunnel. Why does in need that capacity? If anything, the Craigieburn/Mernda lines really need the capacity. If they're desperate they could acquire the properties beside the railway line and trench, but there are so many more pressing issues. Metro 2 does not need the Upfield line in it. Mernda+Wollert is enough. I could name 20 other projects more worthy of the money needed even to connect the Upfield line to Metro 2.
reubstar6
TBH, the Upfield Line would be more useful if it was extended from Gowrie to Wollert, allowing 24tph to both Mernda and Wollert, rather than sharing that 24tph via the current Mernda alignment.

By the time MM1 and MM2 open, there'll be enough space for city loop configuration and most lines to run independently across the city.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

And the Deer Park Three are the last of the 75.

  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Makes sense to me, especially since they wanna quadruplicate the line and electrify those services in the near future.
  slowcoach Locomotive Driver

Here are the next 25 level crossings on the hit list after the first 50 are removed.
Frankston Line
- Glenhuntly Rd, Glenhuntly
- Neerim Rd, Glenhuntly
- Argyle Ave, Chelsea
- Chelsea Rd, Chelsea
- Swanpool Ave, Chelsea

Belgrave/Lilydale Line
- Union Rd, Surrey Hills
- Mont Albert Rd, Mont Albert

Upfield Line
- Munro St, Coburg
- Reynard St, Coburg

Mernda Line
- Oakover Rd, Preston
- Cramer St, Preston
- Muarry Rd, Preston

Sunbury Line
- Gap Rd / Station St, Sunbury

Werribee Line
- Old Geelong Rd, Hoppers Crossing

Pakenham Line
- Cardinia Rd, Pakenham
- McGregor Rd, Pakeham
- Main St, Pakenham
- Racecourse Rd, Pakenham

Cranbourne Line
- Webster St, Dandenong
- Greens Rd, Dandenong South
- Evans Rd, Lyndhurst
- Camms Rd, Cranbourne
(Possibly South Gippsland Hwy, Cranbourne as provision for Clyde extension)

Melton/Geelong/Ballarat Line (Update)
- Robinsons Rd, Deer Park
- Mt Derrimut Rd, Deer Park
- Fitzgerald Rd, Ardeer
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
So, from the list of the worst 300 crossings, that Daniel Bowen posted dated from 2008, should Andrews get re-elected those still in place in 2025, of the top 50, will be:
#9 (Macaulay Rd - Craigieburn line);
#21 (Riversdale Rd Camberwell);
#24 (Station St Fairfield);
#39 (Tooronga Rd Malvern);
#41 (Station St Bonbeach);
#43 (Keon Pde Keon Park);
#44 (Gaffney St Coburg);
#47 (Maidstone St Altona - Werribee line)
#50 (Webb St Narre Warren)


Only 9 left from the top 50 and an additional 27 left of next 50 leaving 36 from the top 100 since Taylors Rd Keilor Downs was removed in 2007.

Neil
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

How many crossings have been removed in this term? 29 ish or something? Considering it took a while to get things kicked off, I think it could well be plausible to see the 60-65th crossings removed in the next term. I could foresee them expanding the scope for the next election to include completely riding the Sunbury-Pakenham lines of crossings. Sure, Melton will still have a few, but this is quite likely in my eyes. This program will go as long as Labor is in power, so it could stop after Saturday, or well into the future.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
How many crossings have been removed in this term? 29 ish or something? Considering it took a while to get things kicked off, I think it could well be plausible to see the 60-65th crossings removed in the next term. I could foresee them expanding the scope for the next election to include completely riding the Sunbury-Pakenham lines of crossings. Sure, Melton will still have a few, but this is quite likely in my eyes. This program will go as long as Labor is in power, so it could stop after Saturday, or well into the future.
reubstar6
If the Libs get In, the only crossing they would be Interested In removing would be the two in the Ringwood line and some on the Glen Waverley line, any others would be just too hard for them.

They have painted themselves Into a corner by opposing any rail over grade separations.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
How many crossings have been removed in this term? 29 ish or something? Considering it took a while to get things kicked off, I think it could well be plausible to see the 60-65th crossings removed in the next term. I could foresee them expanding the scope for the next election to include completely riding the Sunbury-Pakenham lines of crossings. Sure, Melton will still have a few, but this is quite likely in my eyes. This program will go as long as Labor is in power, so it could stop after Saturday, or well into the future.
If the Libs get In, the only crossing they would be Interested In removing would be the two in the Ringwood line and some on the Glen Waverley line, any others would be just too hard for them.

They have painted themselves Into a corner by opposing any rail over grade separations.
Nightfire
This has proven to be an excellent and on the whole well executed program the likes of which we don`t always see .
          It would be an absolute shame to see it stopped prematurely and replaced by such an idiotic program as the Liberals propose ..
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
How many crossings have been removed in this term? 29 ish or something? Considering it took a while to get things kicked off, I think it could well be plausible to see the 60-65th crossings removed in the next term. I could foresee them expanding the scope for the next election to include completely riding the Sunbury-Pakenham lines of crossings. Sure, Melton will still have a few, but this is quite likely in my eyes. This program will go as long as Labor is in power, so it could stop after Saturday, or well into the future.
If the Libs get In, the only crossing they would be Interested In removing would be the two in the Ringwood line and some on the Glen Waverley line, any others would be just too hard for them.

They have painted themselves Into a corner by opposing any rail over grade separations.
This has proven to be an excellent and on the whole well executed program the likes of which we don`t always see .
          It would be an absolute shame to see it stopped prematurely and replaced by such an idiotic program as the Liberals propose ..
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

How many crossings have been removed in this term? 29 ish or something? Considering it took a while to get things kicked off, I think it could well be plausible to see the 60-65th crossings removed in the next term. I could foresee them expanding the scope for the next election to include completely riding the Sunbury-Pakenham lines of crossings. Sure, Melton will still have a few, but this is quite likely in my eyes. This program will go as long as Labor is in power, so it could stop after Saturday, or well into the future.
If the Libs get In, the only crossing they would be Interested In removing would be the two in the Ringwood line and some on the Glen Waverley line, any others would be just too hard for them.

They have painted themselves Into a corner by opposing any rail over grade separations.
This has proven to be an excellent and on the whole well executed program the likes of which we don`t always see .
          It would be an absolute shame to see it stopped prematurely and replaced by such an idiotic program as the Liberals propose ..
Crossover
It has proven one very important thing. A well-funded and well-structured bureaucracy with a clear goal, with the support of both the government and the private sector, is a force to be reckoned with.

As the old joke goes, in the public sector, you get to pick any two of Fast, Effective and Cheap. This government has gone with the former two, and it has been most productive.

We can dream that they might see the potential for rolling out this kind of support in, say, the infrastructure maintenance program, or rail freight, but that might be asking a bit much.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

I was pretty sure that the Libs somewhere had already said that if they won, they'd cancel all LX removals besides finishing those already underway.  Then would repurpose the LXRA for their half-baked road separation thing.

The only LX removal I clearly remember being clearly mentioned by the Libs anywhere was Glenhuntly Rd, but even that I'm a bit vague on the details.

Curious as to what they'd do regards Clyde and level crossing - there's the big intersection near Casey Fields where the line goes diagonally across two major roads.  It would be easiest to do it as rail over a bit like the structures on the Mernda extension, but as Nightfire said, they've painted themselves into a corner regarding that.

But might not matter too much - polls tonight are out with Vic Labor ahead about 53-47 (admittedly, polls have been wrong before though).

FWIW, in the seat that had the most NoSkyRail noise (Oakleigh, covering the whole stretch from Grange Rd through to Huntingdale etc) the Libs are basically running dead, and the betting markets have Labor unbackable at $1.01.
  penguin2233 Locomotive Driver

Location: Craigieburn, Melbourne VIC
I was pretty sure that the Libs somewhere had already said that if they won, they'd cancel all LX removals besides finishing those already underway.  Then would repurpose the LXRA for their half-baked road separation thing.

The only LX removal I clearly remember being clearly mentioned by the Libs anywhere was Glenhuntly Rd, but even that I'm a bit vague on the details.

Curious as to what they'd do regards Clyde and level crossing - there's the big intersection near Casey Fields where the line goes diagonally across two major roads.  It would be easiest to do it as rail over a bit like the structures on the Mernda extension, but as Nightfire said, they've painted themselves into a corner regarding that.

But might not matter too much - polls tonight are out with Vic Labor ahead about 53-47 (admittedly, polls have been wrong before though).

FWIW, in the seat that had the most NoSkyRail noise (Oakleigh, covering the whole stretch from Grange Rd through to Huntingdale etc) the Libs are basically running dead, and the betting markets have Labor unbackable at $1.01.
Adogs
https://imgur.com/a/52mscY6
Libs are only doing Glen Huntly, all other ones are road intersections. Even PTUA's score card ask you to vote for Greens or Labor. I think there's no time for Libs to recover from this election, too many early voters.
ps. i give up on trying to embed the screenshot
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
They have promised to do Maroondah Highway Lilydale and Manchester Rd Mooroolbark after Andrews "failure to anything but plan for 4 years" but other than that I think you're correct.

Neil
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

They have promised to do Maroondah Highway Lilydale and Manchester Rd Mooroolbark after Andrews "failure to anything but plan for 4 years" but other than that I think you're correct.
ngarner

You would have thought they’d take this idiotic line out of the playbook given their own recent history and Andrews’ genuine record of delivery (30 level crossings for Pete’s sake, more than one every 8 weeks). But no, out it comes.

I don’t know how much the Liberal strategists have been paid for this nightmare of a campaign. Even if they win tomorrow it will be through no action of theirs - a classic Government Loss rather than Opposition Win.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Mr D Bowen has updated his blog today re level crossing replacement. Says he wanted to publish it before tomorrow.
Seems the Coalition have promised a few more than have been mentioned here but the additions are more like various government efforts before 2014 and Andrews success; one here and another there, sort of thing. But we'd still get Guy's 50 intersection replacements, obviously very important to him to be 'different'.

https://www.danielbowen.com/

Neil
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

29 level crossings removed in 4 years.

This calculates to an average of 50 days to get one level crossing removed. That's pretty amazing when you think about it that way.
  g00r Locomotive Fireman

If anyone has the time, data and inclination, it would be interesting to see these works plotted on a horizontal time line graph - to see how much overlap between individual projects there was.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

If anyone has the time, data and inclination, it would be interesting to see these works plotted on a horizontal time line graph - to see how much overlap between individual projects there was.
g00r
Here's the construction works for each of the 29 level crossing removals. One thing I noted is a gap in beginning, due to the government just starting out. As well as another gap during 2017, due to a new batch of level crossing removals (had no previous planning done before 2015). To date the Camp road level crossing removal is the fastest one to kick started and get completed.



  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Also I've found someone who's plotted all the level crossings removals including the latest pledged ones.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1BI6RYOhSUmx3nYaHXHoeRVO48IJSlsiK&ll=-37.9330073732472%2C145.04017136862672&z=10
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
If anyone has the time, data and inclination, it would be interesting to see these works plotted on a horizontal time line graph - to see how much overlap between individual projects there was.
Here's the construction works for each of the 29 level crossing removals. One thing I noted is a gap in beginning, due to the government just starting out. As well as another gap during 2017, due to a new batch of level crossing removals (had no previous planning done before 2015). To date the Camp road level crossing removal is the fastest one to kick started and get completed.
True Believers
Just wondering - what point are you considering the project as 'completed' - the removal of the boom gates, or when all construction stops?
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
LXRA themselves don't put "completed" up on their web site until everything is done but the government has counted them the moment the booms are gone. So, it looks like it's a case of "take whichever suits you better".
At least the LXRA is being completely truthful about the status of their projects but then the Government is also correct that the booms are "gone for good".

Neil
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Speaking of the Level Crossing Removal Authority, when does the caretaker period end? It would be nice to get some media updates from them.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

If anyone has the time, data and inclination, it would be interesting to see these works plotted on a horizontal time line graph - to see how much overlap between individual projects there was.
Here's the construction works for each of the 29 level crossing removals. One thing I noted is a gap in beginning, due to the government just starting out. As well as another gap during 2017, due to a new batch of level crossing removals (had no previous planning done before 2015). To date the Camp road level crossing removal is the fastest one to kick started and get completed.
Just wondering - what point are you considering the project as 'completed' - the removal of the boom gates, or when all construction stops?
TOQ-1
Well to make it clearer for everyone for the graphs above.

The start times are when the site is being established or the early works of construction has started.

The end times are when the level crossings are removed.

Technically the construction continues 6 months after the level crossing is removed.
So if you want to know when each one ends total construction just add an extra 6 months to each crossing.

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