Sydney Trains S Set - Scrapping has recommenced :(

 
  C3765 Locomotive Fireman

Unfortunately, 4 x 4 Car S Sets we’re transferred Chullora yesterday for scrapping. The Sets were: S47, S51, S74 and S141. 15 carriages were transferred in total as C3765 (Last Comeng built power car) of S51 was retained for preservation. The 48 remaining S Sets have now been reduced to 44. It is very sad to see them go. I believe a few will be retained as backups and a few more would join C3765, C3805, C3814 and T4150 in the hands of HETS or museums.

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  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

It was going to start happening with the introduction of Waratah B sets, but they've provided an excellent service for such a long time and some will be kept. Despite the fact that they've been running for such a long time and people do want more comfortable air-conditioned trains the longer they are out of service the more significant they become given the numerous generations of people who have been on them. Keep us updated on lists as they are retired and scrapped as there no doubt those who will want to record this type of information down. Just curious, when did these 4 sets last run?

As for cars preserved, it's good they kept C3765 as it will make a nice companion to C3805 - the first and last Comeng suburban cars. There are actually a couple of important events coming up in the next few years which involved S sets including 40 years since opening of ESR (June 2019), 40 years since first electric train to Waterfall (June 2020) and then 50 years since opening of new Como bridge (2022 I believe). Plus there is the fact the 2 Mark I cars retained are not operational (I don't think) so the ones retained from these retired by the Waratah B sets can be for the "ready to go" preserved operational S set.

It will be interesting to see what other cars they perhaps set aside, those of note:-

- C3937 (was part of the first electric train to Waterfall, said to be on S66)
- C3001 (first Goninan power car and was part of first/inaugural train on ESR, not sure which Set)
- i'm guessing 1 Comeng non driving trailer might be kept aside


Hopefully maybe they'll maybe even form a special farewell to S sets set from these set aside operational cars for when that day comes that the last S set is to ever run (probably early 2019 after all the B sets are in service)
  C3765 Locomotive Fireman

S74 was running normal passenger services about 2 weeks ago with S89. I think S89 is now with S127.
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

S74 was running normal passenger services about 2 weeks ago with S89. I think S89 is now with S127.
C3765
Another one of my favorite car ever ridden is C3883 - Involved in Como derailment. It was severely damaged but it was repaired. It still shows its scars on the right side. I wish that this car will be on display at Powerhouse Museum even though its rail access was cut. It can be trucked it to the museum.
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

S74 was running normal passenger services about 2 weeks ago with S89. I think S89 is now with S127.
Another one of my favorite car ever ridden is C3883 - Involved in Como derailment. It was severely damaged but it was repaired. It still shows its scars on the right side. I wish that this car will be on display at Powerhouse Museum even though its rail access was cut. It can be trucked it to the museum.
r_rogel
My guess in Comeng Full Trailer to be preserved would be T4922 - the oldest.

Another one maybe kept is T4051(ex D4051) - The Yellow Pages Car in the TV Advertisement back in the 90's.
  C3765 Locomotive Fireman

I remember someone mentioned T4006 from S124 is going to be preserved to join C3805, T4150 and C3814 but it’s not official so I’m not 100% sure of that. Also if they were to have an S Set Car at the powerhouse museum, I think they would take it straight to the new one which they are building in Parramatta because if they took it to the current one, they would have to move it again.
  C3765 Locomotive Fireman

Unfortunately another 6 four carriage Sets have been withdrawn from service. The Sets are: S2, S66, S91, S104, S124 and S127. I last saw:

S2 - Paired with S89 (23/11/18)
S66 - Back of FMC (20/11/18)
S91 - Paired with S107 (12/11/18)
S104 - Haven’t seen it recently
S124 - Back of Flemington for a while
S127 - Paired with S64 (14/11/18)

Fortunately only 15 of the carriages have been transferred to Chullora so far. I believe possible carriages which may be preserved are:

C3764 (S127) Second Youngest Comeng + Headlight Carriage + Twin Of already preserved C3765
C3001 (S127) First Goninan built Control Car
T4006 (S124) Been rumoured to join C3805, T4150 and C3814 as a full 4 Car Set

Are there any other carriages which should be preserved?
  C3765 Locomotive Fireman

So now we are down to 38 sets of the original 48 retained Sets.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Here is a video of the transfer you speak of posted by Sydney Trains Vlogs.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc55EFA2n5I


EDIT: Yep as mentioned on the video (had audio issue), S66, S91, S124, S127 sent off to scrapper with C3912 taken off S66 for preservation, C3986 taken off S124 for preservation and C3001 taken off S127 for preservation.
  C3765 Locomotive Fireman

Nooo, they sent C3764 to Chullora! One of my favourite carriage... Why arent any of them being sold like the single decks?
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Can't keep all of them! Smile C3765 was the important one to keep. Good news is they will now have at least 4 operational power cars to choose from for a preserved set and no doubt there will be a lot of spare parts on hand. Will be interesting to see what/if anything else is considered, including trailers. While these don't have some of the "vintage" character features of the single decks like old lift up windows with shutters, globes with shades and decorative old vents, etc, they are an important representation of their period and their time will come, especially the longer they've been permanently out of service. Hopefully they might use these set aside preserved cars to build up an 8 car "farewell to Sydney" S set, likely next year after the last Waratah B set is in service.


As for why any aren't sold to prospective buyers? No idea
  scott4570 Train Controller

Friday evening, November 30, the Service 1845 hours Carlingford to Clyde, due 1859 hours, then Empty to Flemington MC, consisted of the following Cars: 3765, leading 4018, 4938, and 3021, Set S104.

Car 3765 still holding the Target Plate S51.

Could be a case of shuffling the sets to hold the best till last !!!!
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

They might still be officially marked for preservation, although to prevent them from going to the scrapper when the set (or sets) they are on are slated to be taken to the scrapper they take a motor car off a different set to send to the scrapper and then shift the retained cars, be it 3001, 3765, 3912 or 3986 to stand in for the one sent to the scrapper and complete the set it had been taken off, just as in the scenario you mentioned. Needless to say, space will be freed up for any retained cars. 30 cars have already been sent to Chullora for scrapping which is way more than the number that will be ultimately be preserved, not forgetting that 3 are stored at Redfern.
  scott4570 Train Controller

Monday evening, December 3, the Service 1703 hours Central to Campbelltown (via Tempe), due 1755 hours, consisted of the following Sets: S53 leading set S2.

Set S2 consisted of Cars: 3022, 4108, 4064, and 3986.

Car 3986 still holding the Target Plate S124.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Yep, makes sense, take a more significant car off and plonk it on another set to cover for a non significant one which goes to scrap instead. I'm guessing there will probably be another batch going off to scrap sooner or later, Waratah B7 just entered service very recently and supposedly set B8 will enter service in the next week or so which will bring 1/3 of the B set fleet into service.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Nooo, they sent C3764 to Chullora! One of my favourite carriage... Why arent any of them being sold like the single decks?
C3765
An audit was conducted sometime ago identifying cars likely to contain asbestos. Unfortunately the results of the audit were lost and to be on the safe side all cars, except those marked for heritage use, will be scrapped.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Nooo, they sent C3764 to Chullora! One of my favourite carriage... Why arent any of them being sold like the single decks?
An audit was conducted sometime ago identifying cars likely to contain asbestos. Unfortunately the results of the audit were lost and to be on the safe side all cars, except those marked for heritage use, will be scrapped.
nswtrains
I bet there's no asbestos protection at the scrap sidings.
Some should be sold to the public, would make great granny flats.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Has there been any more S sets withdrawn recently ?
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

So it seems the latest list of Preserved S set cars / Double Deck Non-air conditioned cars

C3801 - C3804 Tulloch Prototype
- C3804     Stored and Displayed at NSWRM Thirlmere

C3805 - C3857 Comeng Mk 1 Power Cars
- C3805     Stored at Paint Shop/Redfern/HET. First Comeng suburban power car in service
- C3814     Stored at Paint Shop/Redfern/HET
- C3840 is not preserved and I doubt it will be but it is located at the Petersham Training College. These are the only 3 Comeng Mk 1 cars now left in existence

C3858 - C3911 Comeng Mk 2 Power Cars
- None preserved as of now, C3861 is the oldest suburban power car still in service I believe

C3912 - C3986 Comeng Mk 3 Power Cars
- C3912    It looks like this one may be preserved, it was seen during the Flemington Maintenance Center Family open day getting prepped for a bogie swap. This is the first car of the Mk 3 Contract
- C3986    Currently in service replacing a motor that was sent to scrap. This is the last car of the Mk 3 contract.

C3741 - C3765 Comeng Mk 4 Power Cars
- C3765     Not sure if this one is in service on another set now, as the other 3 cars it was formally with were sent to scrap, much like 3986 and 3912. This was the last Comeng suburban power car delivered/into service.

T4921 - T4962 Comeng Mk 1 Trailer
- None preserved

T4963 - T4987 Comeng Mk 2 Trailers
- None preserved, the Mark 2 trailers were different to the Mark 1's in that they had 3 vents along the side rather than 2.

D4001 - D4010 Comeng Driving Control Trailer
- None preserved. Supposely D4006 was to be set aside. Not sure which one is left that still has it's cab intact

C3001 - C3080 Goninan Power Cars
- C3001     This one is now set aside for preservation at Flemington MC and was open for viewing during the FMC Family Open day not long ago with a V set and Red Set F1.

T4101 - T4170 Goninan Trailers
- T4101     This one is said that it will be set aside for preservation. It along with C3001 were the first 2 cars officially handed over in a ceremony around almost exactly 40 years ago and the first 2 of the Goninan's to enter service. C3001 and T4101 were also the leading 2 cars of the first official train for the opening of the ESR/Bondi Junction line in June 1979.
- T4150     Stored at Paint Shop/Redfern/HET. This is the carriage the Queen and Prince travelled on in 1980 from Bankstown.


Will be interesting to see what last cars they pick. Any of the Mk 2/Mk 3/Mk 4 and Goninan power cars will probably be set aside fully intact and operational ready to go for tours, including trailers. Will be interesting to see if they keep another Goninan power car. I believe C3005 is still around, pretty sure i've seen it. It was part of the second official train for the ESR opening in 1979.
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

I want to see MK2 control car C3883 preserved - involved in Como derailment. It still shows the patchy scars of derailment.  It was close to be written off if were not for its barriers & checkrails.
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

I want to see MK2 control car C3883 preserved - involved in Como derailment. It still shows the patchy scars of derailment.  It was close to be written off if were not for its barriers & checkrails.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Monday Channel 7 News will have a look at the scrapping and retirement of the S sets. Short promo

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSWRailwaysPastandPresent/permalink/2927867317239062/
  scott4570 Train Controller

Friday evening, November 30, the Service 1845 hours Carlingford to Clyde, due 1859 hours, then Empty to Flemington MC, consisted of the following Cars: 3765, leading 4018, 4938, and 3021, Set S104.

Car 3765 still holding the Target Plate S51.
scott4570

Wednesday Evening January 9, Service departing Central 1703 hours to Campbelltown (via Tempe), due 1755 hours, consisited of Sets S89 and S104.

Car 3765 now holding the correct Target in set S104.
  scott4570 Train Controller

Monday evening, December 3, the Service 1703 hours Central to Campbelltown (via Tempe), due 1755 hours, consisted of the following Sets: S53 leading set S2.

Set S2 consisted of Cars: 3022, 4108, 4064, and 3986.

Car 3986 still holding the Target Plate S124.
scott4570
Wednesday Evening January 9, Service departing Central 1715 hours to Revesby (via the Airport), due 1751 hours, consisited of Sets S2 and S53.

Car 3986 now holding the correct Target in set S2.
  C3765 Locomotive Fireman

On 7 News the other day they revealed that 6 Four-Car S Sets will be mothballed in reserve for emergencies. It was also revealed in an extended version which can be found on YouTube that 31 sets will be going to Transport Heritage. “ Look, we are having to use 11 of them (the S Sets) for recycling purposes (Scrapping) because they’ve had it, but the rest will go to Transport Heritage and anybody interested can go to them (to purchase the cars)” . I’m not sure if what he said is 100% true but if it is there will be 124 carriages + the 3 at Eveleigh + the 2 at Petersham training left intact scattered across Sydney.
Video ( Not mine) :

https://youtu.be/LtIDbY5zGM0

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