GE in the future for ARTC country

 
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Hi,
I am aware that GEVO is already operating in Australia in the Pilbara with decent loading gauges and do operate with GEVO.

However for the rest of Australia on the ARTC, GEVO  is unlikely to appear on GE locos into the future.

If Australia moves with tightened air quality legislation, for GE could the FDL be modified or PowerHaul will be the only option provided for their locos?

However, I would say that this is unlikely in the near future as it appears to be no proposal to mandate US tier or EU diesel emissions. It seems it is up to individual industry to specify. The industry I work in, we specify a certain Euro spec for diesel engines. Not that is required by legislation. I am not aware for any rail requirement.

Anyway all I am asking if there was a significant change what would GE's immediate option would be?

I imagine for Progress, Tier 4 equivalent is their option as they would fit into the loading gauge.

Cheers
Jas

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  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

GE could build a GEVO package within the requirements for the ARTC (plus QR and Aurizon), it has already delivered 233 narrow-gauge 132-tonne GEVO-12 engined ES40ACi 44-000 class locomotives to South Africa's Transnet. The big issue would be squeezing in the baffling needed to meet NSW noise emission standards, and that could well be the deal breaker for the standard gauge design on the East Coast of Australia.

And don't hold your breath regarding the PowerHaul concept - international sales have been poor, G&W has already stored its entire fleet of British PowerHauls, and PN's locally built PHs have not yet hauled a revenue train (or any train for that matter) thirteen months after delivery by UGL. At this stage I can't see the PowerHaul program surviving much longer, particularly with GE's locomotive business being sold to Wabtec - which brings its high-speed engined MotivePower designs (such as those owned by CBH and CFCLA) to the merged table.

The fact of the matter is meeting more stringent emmission standards costs more and more money. The Tier 4 designs have cost GE and Progress/EMD an enormous amount of money to design and produce, they cost more to buy, they cost more to run - with fuel consumption being significantly higher apparently due to the higher demand from emmission controlling auxilaries. Most big US railroad companies have moved to re-lifing older locomotives and buying secondhand rather than ordering any more Tier 4s than they need to, while the Canadians have continued to purchase the previous Tier 3 designs for use within Canada. So until such a time that local emmission laws are tightened, builders and buyers in Australia will be focussed on either price or lowest operating costs, particularly fuel consumption - the latter possibly being the best reason a buyer may eventually seek out the GEVO engined designs.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Then there are GEVO's and GEVO's

Apparently the pre Tier 4 engine is lighter in weight than the Tier 4

GE is still producing the lighter engine for export orders
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Thankyou Sulla and JMT for the responses.

I was going to ask it anyone has seen a Powerhaul in actual service for PNQ. You answered my question.

Cheers
Jas
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

GE are still getting the odd run on the board with the Powerhaul, though this may be Tülomsaş clearing out spec built stock
https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/turkish-operator-orders-ge-powerhaul-locomotives.html

GE announced a new family of 1800rpm engines at InnoTrans 2018 in September, with an order for 300
https://dieselgasturbine.com/ge-transportation-announces-new-high-speed-diesel-engine-program/

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