NSW election thread 2019

 
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

What will cost them votes is that there is very little attention being paid outside the Sydney basin.

Wagga is a case in point.
ANR

Hasn't Wagga just received a significant hospital upgrade worth nearly a billion dollars. Just because regional areas haven't got new trains yet doesn't mean the area isn't being looked after by the government.

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Should the Libs be re-elected, wait for the, or attempt to privatise Sydney Water. It's been streamlined/corporiteized in preparation.
michaelgm

That is something that could seriously derail the libs in march.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

What will cost them votes is that there is very little attention being paid outside the Sydney basin.

Wagga is a case in point.

Hasn't Wagga just received a significant hospital upgrade worth nearly a billion dollars. Just because regional areas haven't got new trains yet doesn't mean the area isn't being looked after by the government.
simstrain
Well I live in Wagga, the hospital isn't fully finished yet! Come down and have a look yourself it seems to be taking longer and longer to complete the brand new hospital than what you think!

Yes, of course the government is looking after us "HA HA HA HA" what a load of rubbish! Come down here for a drive you'd surely enjoy the pot holes on our roads that the government that you speak of that looks after us, they refuse to spend money to fix our roads only Lake Albert Road is 5% fixed that was Wagga's money to fix that 5% but this road needs completely fixed as all other roads in and around Wagga

Funny how you said that the government looks after us!LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes if only that was true
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

like we don't have potholes in Sydney. potholes are in any case a council issue and not a state government issue. Oh and the roads that are being destroyed by interstate trucks is easily solved with road charging such traffic.

Wagga wagga is probably due for a north south bypass connecting the southern and northern portions of olympic drive.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The inland rail should help remove a lot of freight traffic from the roads and that is being built by the ARTC which is a federal government division. The hospital is currently developing stage 3 and this is new as well - http://www.wwhsredev.health.nsw.gov.au/Projects/Stage-3-Building

Schools - https://www.schoolinfrastructure.nsw.gov.au/projects/n/new-primary-school-in-the-wagga-wagga-electorate.html
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

like we don't have potholes in Sydney. potholes are in any case a council issue and not a state government issue. Oh and the roads that are being destroyed by interstate trucks is easily solved with road charging such traffic.

Wagga wagga is probably due for a north south bypass connecting the southern and northern portions of olympic drive.
simstrain
And the money to fix roads comes from the so-called government that you solely declared that looks after us!

Stage 3 for the hospital hasn't started yet regardless of what that website says, the Inland Rail hasn't even started not until 2021 that's ages away, I have a feeling it will just become scrap

As for high-speed rail in Australia it will never happen, because

1) High speed rail requires overhead wire systems to be installed you think about what that nut head said
they will not electrify the Kiama to Bomaderry due to the cost of overhead wire systems, so it is obvious that high speed rail will never happen not in a million years it will never happen for Australia, although Japan offered the best high speed rail network for a cheaper price while the French offered high speed rail for the most high priced "I will stick with Japan on this one if it ever happened since Japan was the first country to develope high speed rail in the world"

2) Getting national park and to overtake Aboriginal land approvals just to dig out tunnels, cuttings and embankments where required

Best to vote out Gladys, she is a railways worst nightmare the terrorist of railway slashing and destroying it all
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

The inland rail should help remove a lot of freight traffic from the roads and that is being built by the ARTC which is a federal government division. The hospital is currently developing stage 3 and this is new as well - http://www.wwhsredev.health.nsw.gov.au/Projects/Stage-3-Building

Schools - https://www.schoolinfrastructure.nsw.gov.au/projects/n/new-primary-school-in-the-wagga-wagga-electorate.html
simstrain
I really couldn't care about the new school, why not a new carpark like I said to the Wagga City Council instead of a new pcyc building, what Wagga needs is a 5 story carpark it's a realy nightmare trying to find parking in Wagga lately
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The inland rail should help remove a lot of freight traffic from the roads and that is being built by the ARTC which is a federal government division. The hospital is currently developing stage 3 and this is new as well - http://www.wwhsredev.health.nsw.gov.au/Projects/Stage-3-Building

Schools - https://www.schoolinfrastructure.nsw.gov.au/projects/n/new-primary-school-in-the-wagga-wagga-electorate.html
I really couldn't care about the new school, why not a new carpark like I said to the Wagga City Council instead of a new pcyc building, what Wagga needs is a 5 story carpark it's a realy nightmare trying to find parking in Wagga lately
cityrail-rulez
So you would rather a stupid car park than a new school? I can see where your priorities lay.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
like we don't have potholes in Sydney. potholes are in any case a council issue and not a state government issue. Oh and the roads that are being destroyed by interstate trucks is easily solved with road charging such traffic.

Wagga wagga is probably due for a north south bypass connecting the southern and northern portions of olympic drive.
simstrain
Wagga Wagga already has a North South bypass !
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs
I’m from Vic, I eventually googled the pronunciation of Glady’s name.
  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

I’m from Vic, I eventually googled the pronunciation of Glady’s name.
Daryl
Gladys isn't difficult to pronounce,. Laughing
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

... I think it is just that $3 billion sounds like a lot of money

$3bil *is* a lot of money.
djf01

To you personally yes. As part of state spending it is nothing when the GPD is over $500 billion.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner


As for high-speed rail in Australia it will never happen, because

1) High speed rail requires overhead wire systems to be installed you think about what that nut head said
they will not electrify the Kiama to Bomaderry due to the cost of overhead wire systems, so it is obvious that high speed rail will never happen not in a million years it will never happen for Australia, although Japan offered the best high speed rail network for a cheaper price while the French offered high speed rail for the most high priced "I will stick with Japan on this one if it ever happened since Japan was the first country to develope high speed rail in the world"

2) Getting national park and to overtake Aboriginal land approvals just to dig out tunnels, cuttings and embankments where required

Best to vote out Gladys, she is a railways worst nightmare the terrorist of railway slashing and destroying it all
cityrail-rulez

I agree high speed rail will never happen but Gladys isn't planning high speed rail as much as a new rail alignment to remove all those curves in the rail alignment. We already run overhead to kiama, newcastle and lithgow and that isn't what is holding back the overhead south of macarthur. The ARTC is in control of that track now and don't want anything to do with overhead and so no electric trains south of macarthur unless a new rail line is built.

An expansion of the cityrail network to douglas park might be happening soon or some deal might be made with the ARTC to bring that line back under sydney trains control with some funding to help boost the inland rail line.
  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

Any extension to Douglas Park would take in the Nepean River Bridge ay Menagle, keep in mind it was built on 1863 and has been subject to speed restrictions and repairs, over the years. At some stage will require replacement, is probably heritage listed and unable to be removed.
ARTC will not want to share trackage with Sydney Trains and be subject to the curfew.
So, single line one side for Sydney Trains and the other, for an extended SSFL?
Or a new bridge adjacent to the old one carrying three lines?
Or extend SSFL in it's own right to Douglas Park?
Which organisation will want to bear that cost?

But if 3 billion is nothing for a GDP of 500 billion, knock yourself out.  You'll get change for your 3 billion, for any of the above options.

Edit. Check this out. The date is important. How much will this Costa?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/menangle-rail-bridge-to-be-rebuilt-20030501-gdgomo.html
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Edit. Check this out. The date is important.
michaelgm
Hey, come on, it's only a bit over 15 years old. You have to remember the process. First, a working group is formed to formulate a paper to present to the steering committee. The paper will go back and forth between these two until it suits everybody. The steering committee will then report to the full committee and discussion will ensue, and modifications will be made until the document suits everybody. The committee then reports to the all-party parliamentary committee which studies the whole plan in detail. Next stop is the Minister's office where the staff will peruse the plan and advise the minister accordingly. The minister will have a report prepared and will present it to the House. It will be put on the back burner until more pressing matters are dealt with.
A conservative estimate is that we'd be about 60% of the way through the whole process. My arithmetic says we have about another 10 years to wait, which isn't too bad because you can't rush these things.

"Thank you, Sir Humphrey."
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Any new bridge at menangle is highly unlikely to cost $3 billion. The thing is that it would be better for a new bridge to carry freight and so the nsw government might pay ARTC to build a new bridge for an extended ssfl since I can almost guarantee that the ARTC will not want to pay for it.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
$3B for a 17km dual extension to Douglas Park should be more than enough, probably twice the amount needed. They paid double that for similar distance NW Metro which included 15km of tunnels and half a dozen high cost stations.

For Douglas Park you don't have the population of the NW, so it needs to be price scaled down ALOT, single track with a passing lane in the middle and passing lane on approach to Douglas Park and Macarthur. The passing lanes maybe taken out of one of the existing twin freight lines, thus leaving the other as effectively an extension of the SSFL with passing lanes.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

$3B for a 17km dual extension to Douglas Park should be more than enough, probably twice the amount needed. They paid double that for similar distance NW Metro which included 15km of tunnels and half a dozen high cost stations.

For Douglas Park you don't have the population of the NW, so it needs to be price scaled down ALOT, single track with a passing lane in the middle and passing lane on approach to Douglas Park and Macarthur. The passing lanes maybe taken out of one of the existing twin freight lines, thus leaving the other as effectively an extension of the SSFL with passing lanes.
RTT_Rules

$3 billion would be more like 10 times the amount needed. The ARTC does only lease the track and not own it so the NSW government could reclaim the track if need be but my understanding is that Sydney trains will build new track leaving the old alignment to the ARTC.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
$3B for a 17km dual extension to Douglas Park should be more than enough, probably twice the amount needed. They paid double that for similar distance NW Metro which included 15km of tunnels and half a dozen high cost stations.

For Douglas Park you don't have the population of the NW, so it needs to be price scaled down ALOT, single track with a passing lane in the middle and passing lane on approach to Douglas Park and Macarthur. The passing lanes maybe taken out of one of the existing twin freight lines, thus leaving the other as effectively an extension of the SSFL with passing lanes.

$3 billion would be more like 10 times the amount needed. The ARTC does only lease the track and not own it so the NSW government could reclaim the track if need be but my understanding is that Sydney trains will build new track leaving the old alignment to the ARTC.
simstrain
Its been a while (10-15 years) but single track heavy NG rail (26t/axle) for coal mines in Qld over flat terrain (usually farming) were around $10m/km without O/H. In comparison the NT line was built for $1m/km 20 years ago over mostly flat unused land.

I would imagine the South Main will cost more if land reclaiming is required and likely more bridges. Plus if new stations need to be built, they will be of course the opposite of cheap with all modern facilities.

Is it new track simply alongside, or will curve easing be taking place? Ideally it should be built to 160km/h alignment, but I bet unlikely, however simply allowing the trains to go full throttle station to station would be a start.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Not sure where the alignment is going because it is still under consideration just like the new Illawarra tunnel. All that I know is that the current NSW government and sydney trains said in that document that the old alignment will not be used on the south coast line.

Extension to menangle park should be a no brainer since nothing really needs to be done with land reclaimation and it could run side by side with what ever the ARTC want. Not sure what is to happen any further south then that at the moment.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Any rail works around Cowra have not been included in election promises well not yet anyhow.

The other thread states there is a comprehensive study already undertaken for rail and the associated benefits.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Interesting read....

Both sides of state politics have not adequately demonstrated how they have helped electorates outside the Sydney basin. I do a lot of outback travel. The lack of attention is telling. Not talking about rail only.

They are in for a big shock, and I can see a group of independents and minor parties holding the balance of power and they will do what Tony Windsor did in his federal seat. .. Gold plate their seats and work as a bloc.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-11/nsw-election-antony-green-abandons-lower-house-calculator/10788786?section=politics
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Ain't enough of you to make any difference period ANR. In any case what are they missing aside from the obvious thing which is water and it won't matter which party you go with there because you need to speak to GOD, mother nature or to the feds to get Qld to release water. The only other option is to run water pipes from the coast.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Michael Daley clashed with Alan Jones on air this morning, threatening that he would "sack" Alan Jones, and most of the SCG Trust if Labour won the election, - https://www.2gb.com/thanks-for-your-service-michael-daley-threatens-to-sack-alan-jones-if-elected/

Kind Regards
  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

Michael Daley clashed with Alan Jones on air this morning, threatening that he would "sack" Alan Jones, and most of the SCG Trust if Labour won the election, - https://www.2gb.com/thanks-for-your-service-michael-daley-threatens-to-sack-alan-jones-if-elected/

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Thanks for the link.
And good on Mike Daley for giving it to the parrot. Absolutely nothing to loose.

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