Grain harvest thread 2018-19

 
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
went for a tour in the past week through western and north western vic. Lots of visible grain in bunkers along the line to rainbow and murryville, and over the border at Panitya (with no active rail link nfi if that's being trucked to murryville or elsewhere)

didnt see any grain trains on the Murry Basin lines. everything seems to be coming from Dimboola, west and possibly north. lines to Rainbow and Hopeton didnt seem much used, although signalers where at Rainbow doing work.

will be no shortage of grain to cart for most of the year. Places like Lillimur can only load a half a train at a time, and the loading hoppers are not very big, so imagine its a slow process.

Sponsored advertisement

  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
For anyone who's interested, the harvest, in the Western Wimmera, is still in progress, GrainFlow at Dimboola, must be having quite a reasonable season, despite most of the rest of the region, having a very ordinary harvest. While they are closed, this afternoon, due to a total fire ban, they have been open till 11.00pm since reopening after christmas, which is good news, not only for the ones, harvesting but, it means plenty of grain for regions, that will require it for feeding stock or selling to it's usual places.

However, another week should see most finishing up.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
It could be that Dimboola is the only open site, with the others around them closed to save costs?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
From last nights debrief, figures are approximate from a beery haze perspective. Nhill 150000 tonnes Dimboola 150000, both have subsidies in place to cash in on  SA production.

Murtoa 75000 Warracknabeal 35000 Jeparit 12000? cant remember any more.
wobert
What subsidies are these @wobert?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
From last nights debrief, figures are approximate from a beery haze perspective. Nhill 150000 tonnes Dimboola 150000, both have subsidies in place to cash in on  SA production.

Murtoa 75000 Warracknabeal 35000 Jeparit 12000? cant remember any more.
What subsidies are these @wobert?
james.au
Freight, Dimboola were offering about $8 more than Nhill to entice grain from further west to keep coming,and Nhill Grain corp were 10 to 20 bucks more than Lillimur, to try and take the pressure off Lillimur and entice more grain from SA.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
From last nights debrief, figures are approximate from a beery haze perspective. Nhill 150000 tonnes Dimboola 150000, both have subsidies in place to cash in on  SA production.

Murtoa 75000 Warracknabeal 35000 Jeparit 12000? cant remember any more.
What subsidies are these @wobert?
Freight, Dimboola were offering about $8 more than Nhill to entice grain from further west to keep coming,and Nhill Grain corp were 10 to 20 bucks more than Lillimur, to try and take the pressure off Lillimur and entice more grain from SA.
wobert
Was it the site operator offering a price subsidy to the buyers on site? Or are the buyers able to offer better rates at Nhill and Dimboola due to lower costs?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Dunno about Dimmy, but at Nhill and Lillimur from what I've heard Graincorp were buying. Not  100% sure on that coz I've exited the industry.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
from the graincorp website. For simplicity all quotes are current season Wheat APW1, which is the most common grading

Lillimur $382/t
Nhill $391/t
Murtoa $394/t
Murrayville (Vic) $374.5/t
Rainbow $385
Warrachnabeal $389

From the Viterra website, for SA grain

Keith $363
Pinnaroo $362
Tailem Bend $360
Wolseley $358

No idea what each company charge for storage and freight, but there's a big difference here in the pricing between the companies. Those on the SA side of the border may have good incentive to cart that extra bit. Remember Road Trains can and are being used on both sides of the border these days.
  Richard stroker Station Master

I'm not to sure who operates the Natimuk site ,but I drove past a couple of weeks back and it was still open and taking deliveries.
There was still the odd barely crop to be harvested
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Just a quick reminder for us all, silo pricing is made up of the following:

Price obtainable by the buyer at port(*) less
- Port handling costs
- Transport costs to port
- Storage and handling costs at site
- End point levies (not relevant to this discussion.

So the different port, transport and site costs could lead to different prices at the silo.  It is port related but this year I suspect there are some potential freight benefits due to merchants buying grain for northern NSW and domestic markets, which will disconnect pricing from the port basis and reset the price based on the price agreed with the domestic end user.

* this here is indeed a function of the price the grain merchant can get for the buyer overseas, less freight, insurance and other handling costs too, but that is independent of the domestic supply chain.
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I'm not to sure who operates the Natimuk site ,but I drove past a couple of weeks back and it was still open and taking deliveries.
There was still the odd barely crop to be harvested
Richard stroker
GrainCorp, Dick.........Razz

BigShunter.
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
from the graincorp website. For simplicity all quotes are current season Wheat APW1, which is the most common grading

Lillimur $382/t
Nhill $391/t
Murtoa $394/t
Murrayville (Vic) $374.5/t
Rainbow $385
Warrachnabeal $389

From the Viterra website, for SA grain

Keith $363
Pinnaroo $362
Tailem Bend $360
Wolseley $358

No idea what each company charge for storage and freight, but there's a big difference here in the pricing between the companies. Those on the SA side of the border may have good incentive to cart that extra bit. Remember Road Trains can and are being used on both sides of the border these days.
Galron
Good info, Galron, GrainFlow Dimboola, has APW1 @ $393.50 so not really any advantage, over Nhill.

https://www.awb.com.au/doc/1432086903599/wheat_vic_wimmera.pdf

https://www.awb.com.au/doc/1432086903599/wheat_vic_wimmera.pdf

https://www.awb.com.au/daily-grain-prices

Very good $$$ for those, that enough grain for the market.

BigShunter.
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Well, quite a good round up of how the harvest went, in today's Wimmera MailTimes.

Wimmera Harvest 2018 Grain receival sites pleased with harvest results

RECEIVAL sites across the Wimmera are satisfied with the quantity and quality of grain from the 2018 harvest despite difficult circumstances.

GrainCorp’s final harvest report was released on Monday, with a total of 1,360,500 tonnes received at Victorian sites. This was down from 2017’s state total of 2,944,500 tonnes and 2016’s total of 3,739,400 tonnes.

The combined total of grain receivals for Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland was 2,076,100 tonnes. Specific statistics for the Wimmera region were not made available.

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/5849260/wimmera-harvest-2018-grain-receival-sites-pleased-with-harvest-results/?cs=225

Also it will be GrainFlows last week for receivals at Dimboola, closing on Friday.


Once again, the harvest is either a feast or a famine.

BigShunter.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
X48 heading north on the SG from Western Victoria with another large grain for the farmers

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/gheringhaploophd/photo/45854201645
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I'm still flogging this thread Razz will get a few more post's in before she's over.

Grain harvest on east coast eclipsed by Victorian town of Nhill as it bucks the trend caused by drought

With a population of about 2,000 people, GrainCorp's receival site at Nhill has brought in more than 150,000 tonnes, compared to almost 108,000 tonnes in all of Queensland.

The company's final harvest report reveals drought conditions continue to decimate grain figures on the eastern seaboard, while farmers in Victoria's west have experienced a good harvest.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-01-17/nhill-grain-figures-are-more-than-the-whole-of-queensland/10723062

Link, flogged from ABC Western Victoria.

This picture, is looking roughly in a southeastern direction, you've got a nice line up of trucks, probably heading to the weigh bridge, you can see the main western line, on the trucks right and over the row of trees, is the western highway.

The article highlights just how diverse, the weather conditions are, across Australia, terrific harvest in one district 70 k's to the east, fairly ordinary, not too mention just how desperate the rural communities are in central NSW and central QLD.

That's farming in Australia and by the sounds of it, we've been paying a bit more for our bread.

Interesting, also, most of the grain will be used domestically and very little for export.

BigShunter.

Ps; seems GrainFlow ( dimboola ), are going to squeeze another week, out of there site, so they must still be getting a nice flow of inward grain.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm still flogging this thread Razz will get a few more post's in before she's over.
BigShunter
This thread will stay open till about November next year when we open the next one lol.


Re the article and your comments - that is what makes Australia a decent grains producer - we have the geographic diversity to spread the production risk.  It is very rare that we are in a position where exports will be as low as they are now.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Went passed Dimmy last Tuesday,a dozen trucks or so there. b doubles in the majority, so thats nigh on 500 tons in a 5 minute drive pass.
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Well, we will see how the grammar goes, this time................Rolling Eyes

Over the weekend, we went on safari, to Nhill, Horsham and cruised down to Hamilton and Penshurst, to catch up with family.

As we barreled past GrainFlow, seemed to be a big heap of grain and numerous bunkers of varieties, so on our return trip, pulled into the driveway and had a Ruff calculation, I reckon there would be at least 175,000 tonne, stashed around the place.
So, there is certainly some work to be done to shift, that quantity before next harvest, although it's not uncommon to have 20,000+ carry over.

Also, very large quatitty at Nhill, plenty of work to shift that, as well, couple of the natives, reckon they'll be flat chat to shift that before, it all starts again.

Good sign's for the West Wimmera, feeding the rest of Eastern drought stricken Australia.

BigShunter.............Shocked how'd that go.............Razz
  Richard stroker Station Master

Not enough commas used there shunter .
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
I didn't see the first effort, but if it was written after a few beers at the Netherby pub I can understand your need to edit later.
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
Well, we will see how the grammar goes, this time................Rolling Eyes

Over the weekend, we went on safari, to Nhill, Horsham and cruised down to Hamilton and Penshurst, to catch up with family.

As we barreled past GrainFlow, seemed to be a big heap of grain and numerous bunkers of varieties, so on our return trip, pulled into the driveway and had a Ruff calculation, I reckon there would be at least 175,000 tonne, stashed around the place.
So, there is certainly some work to be done to shift, that quantity before next harvest, although it's not uncommon to have 20,000+ carry over.

Also, very large quatitty at Nhill, plenty of work to shift that, as well, couple of the natives, reckon they'll be flat chat to shift that before, it all starts again.

Good sign's for the West Wimmera, feeding the rest of Eastern drought stricken Australia.

BigShunter.............Shocked how'd that go.............Razz
BigShunter

Last week while in Bordertown I ventured over the border and took a cross-country route from Serviceton to Lillimur which went right past the bunker area there.  I was quite surprised how much is still in storage there although difficult to work out a percentage.

Richard
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Not enough commas used there shunter .
Richard stroker
Thanks, Dick.......... , Razz

BigShunter.
  ADB Station Master

I know trains have run from Ouyen and Dimboola to NSW. Have trains been running on the Rainbow and Hopetoun lines as well?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I would suspect that the grain in storage is probably destined for domestic users and will be railed up to them as needed.  175,000t, at 5000 tonnes per train is 35 trains.  PN would easily keep a train occupied doing this twice per week.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I know trains have run from Ouyen and Dimboola to NSW. Have trains been running on the Rainbow and Hopetoun lines as well?
ADB
Been to Warracknabeal a couple of times in Jan/Feb
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

There has been a number of Grainies out at Rainbow earlier this year. ( at least six)

Sponsored advertisement

Subscribers: bevans, Jack Le Lievre, james.au

Display from: