Australians do not want any more migrants: ANU poll

 
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Support among Australians for a growing population is crumbling amid fears of overcrowded cities and homes priced out of the reach of ordinary people, a new survey by the Australian National University has revealed.

As both the Morrison government and Shorten opposition consider their own approaches to population policy in the run-up to this year's election, the ANU poll found just three out of 10 Australians believe the nation needs more people.

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Support for a "bigger Australia" has nose-dived on concerns about congestion and high house prices.CREDIT:JAMES ALCOCK

A similar poll conducted in 2010 found support for a growing population at 45 per cent.

The 15 percentage point fall was driven by a huge drop in support among male voters who in 2010 showed majority support for a bigger Australia. Male support has now fallen to 38.4 per cent.

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The tide is turning more it seems to people wanting to put a hold or at least favouring a reduction in immigration.  Not surprising when infrastructure planning has been a problem for years.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Where was this poll taken? You do realise that without immigration our population would be declining?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Where was this poll taken? You do realise that without immigration our population would be declining?
Dangersdan707

The poll was taken via ANU and no it is about reducing the intake too!

Now I want to tell you that you must be in the 3 out of 10 who want it so you are not in the majority. Smile
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
That link does not work.

It does not sit well with the latest Scanlon Monash foundation report into social cohesion in Australia. This is an annual survey into the measures of social cohesion - overall community indicators of satisfaction and wellness.

The most recent Scanlon Monash report was released on 10 December in Melbourne and is found here: https://scanlonfoundation.org.au/report2018/

Among other things, this report - which you can access via the link above - gives some overall results from the 2018 survey.

Net overseas migration has been the biggest contributor to Australia’s growing population over the last decade and had accounted for 62% of total growth in 2018 as at the end of March.  

Over the last twelve months, immigration policy has been increasingly contested in politics and the media.

In contrast with many polls based on just one, or a small number of questions, the Scanlon surveys’ consistent and comprehensive questionnaire structure enables a nuanced understanding of shifts in public opinion in relation to immigration issues.

The 2018 report finds Australians continue to recognise the benefits of immigration, despite concerns over population growth.

X31 - here is an important statement supported by 11 years of surveys:

Immigration intake

Consistent with other surveys and polls conducted throughout the year, the 2018 Scanlon survey found an increase in those concerned by the level of immigration – up 6 percentage points to 43% since 2017.

But in line with the October Fairfax-Ipsos poll, and contrary to many others, it found that the majority of Australians - 52% - still agree that the immigration intake is either ‘about right’ or ‘too low.’

The report goes on to address immigration and the continuing positive outlook on immigration:

In 2018, a majority 82% of Australians agree that ‘immigrants improve Australian society by bringing new ideas and cultures,’ and 80% agree with the proposition that ‘immigrants are generally good for Australia’s economy.’

There remains a consistently high level of endorsement of multiculturalism, with 85% agreeing with the proposition that ‘multiculturalism has been good for Australia.’

X31 your link is a dead link, and there is no contextuality around either the survey you reference nor the report conclusions which you supply without supporting documentation. Your link does not work.
  georges Train Controller

This page, http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/australians-think-we-have-enough-people-anupoll-finds, summarises the poll. There is a further link at the foot of the page that leads, via a further page, to the full report.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I think it's pretty clear that positive sentiment towards a high immigration intake is waning, whatever survey you look to.

This is not surprising as people question whether a dilution of national identity and/or pressures on infrastructure are worth it.

It's something causing political upheaval in Europe - low birthrates by the locals necessitating high immigration, and before long the locals are in a panic.  Perhaps they are finding that there are limits to multiculturalism?

My view is that migration is mostly a good thing, but too many migrants are concentrated in the big Capital cities.  But decentralisation attempts in the past have been a mixed bag too.

Between a rock and a hard place....
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
My view is that migration is mostly a good thing, but too many migrants are concentrated in the big Capital cities.  But decentralisation attempts in the past have been a mixed bag too.

Between a rock and a hard place....

You are absolutely right.

Home Affairs and state governments are pushing for settlement in regional areas, and rural Australia where there are jobs in primary industry.  Just as one example, around here in Shepparton, the big orchard operators all say that Punjabi's (often Sikhs) make the best pickers - for they are well suited to extremes of heat and can manage their hydration well. The same is told in Griffith, NSW.

Nhill is benefiting from rural settlement, and there is a large Karen (Burmese, Chinese) community in Bendigo and surrounds.

So like this, this is what we are looking to for the future of immigration and settlement.

Now the survey.

The survey seems to be focussed on population growth, not immigration. There are arguments for and against population growth and a discussion on cultural diversity.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Where was this poll taken? You do realise that without immigration our population would be declining?
Dangersdan707
Nearly every developed country and many lessor developed countries in the world need immigration just to sustain their birthrates. Denmark currently has a slogan "do it for Denmark" ie have a kid. Issue for many of the EU countries, especially the north where there is a bit of fear of loss of cultural identify ie "white people" as most immigrants are tanned or black.

I think the cultural clashes and endless issues of immigrants from non-christian countries is probably not helping the the pro-immigrant argument either, that and stupid polices of recent years of bringing to many and creating ghettos of non-native language and religion communities.

For me, immigration needs to off-set the below replacement birth rate, then growth a 1-1.5% (based on economy), with half focused on non Syd, Mel and Brisbane.  It also needs to be of well mixed backgrounds and these numbers include refugees. Where certain culturals or nationalities are clearly not integrating well, then cut those and favor others.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
My view is that migration is mostly a good thing, but too many migrants are concentrated in the big Capital cities.  But decentralisation attempts in the past have been a mixed bag too.

Between a rock and a hard place....

You are absolutely right.

Home Affairs and state governments are pushing for settlement in regional areas, and rural Australia where there are jobs in primary industry.  Just as one example, around here in Shepparton, the big orchard operators all say that Punjabi's (often Sikhs) make the best pickers - for they are well suited to extremes of heat and can manage their hydration well. The same is told in Griffith, NSW.

Nhill is benefiting from rural settlement, and there is a large Karen (Burmese, Chinese) community in Bendigo and surrounds.

So like this, this is what we are looking to for the future of immigration and settlement.

Now the survey.

The survey seems to be focussed on population growth, not immigration. There are arguments for and against population growth and a discussion on cultural diversity.
574M
Umm, the Brits started this 300 years ago, used incentives, indentured labour, army volunteer Indian's and at times just steel and enslave, Africans and at times Asians to go work the sugar plantations and others in hot climates, cheap and well suited to working in the sun.

In Australia, some of the tropical railway construction projects of the 60's to 80's was with Polynesians.  Further south, the feds used Europeans desperates to build the Snowy.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The same discussions about limiting migration is happening in France.

If we are going to take more migrants and after the Kenya terrorism over the past few days we need to stop bring Somali's into the country.  Too risky.

So why not issue cards to migrants who must reside in central and western Australia?  Perth and Adelaide?

Regional centres?

Block for Melbourne and Sydney?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The same discussions about limiting migration is happening in France.

If we are going to take more migrants and after the Kenya terrorism over the past few days we need to stop bring Somali's into the country.  Too risky.

So why not issue cards to migrants who must reside in central and western Australia?  Perth and Adelaide?

Regional centres?

Block for Melbourne and Sydney?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
The same discussions about limiting migration is happening in France.

If we are going to take more migrants and after the Kenya terrorism over the past few days we need to stop bring Somali's into the country.  Too risky.

So why not issue cards to migrants who must reside in central and western Australia?  Perth and Adelaide?

Regional centres?

Block for Melbourne and Sydney?
x31
How do you police this?   Immigrant goes to Adelaide as per above, and then gets a job in Melbourne - now tell him/her that under the rules they cannot have that job, but can remain on welfare in Adelaide!
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Umm, the Brits started this 300 years ago, used incentives, indentured labour, army volunteer Indian's and at times just steel and enslave, Africans and at times Asians to go work the sugar plantations and others in hot climates, cheap and well suited to working in the sun.

In Australia, some of the tropical railway construction projects of the 60's to 80's was with Polynesians.  Further south, the feds used Europeans desperates to build the Snowy.
RTT_Rules
Interesting point.  I wonder how many of the 'white' people with anti immigrant sentiment realise that a lot of the infrastructure was built by non whites?  Or do they think that whites did everything?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

How do you police this?   Immigrant goes to Adelaide as per above, and then gets a job in Melbourne - now tell him/her that under the rules they cannot have that job, but can remain on welfare in Adelaide!
Donald
Make it a condition for gaining permanent residency at the end of their time-limited visa. Move to the big smoke before qualifying = no visa renewal.

There also needs to be a strategy for ensuring there are jobs for them to go to in smaller cities and regional areas. I would suggest a good point to start with on this front would be an immediate and total moratorium on the building of new aged care facilities in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney for five years, followed by a cap of 1% growth in bed numbers per year in those cities after that.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

JAP! RE aged care facilities being constructed in capital cities. Get your point but, those places can be lonely and miserable. Housing elderly, unwell and often dementing people further away from family???

No.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
JAP! RE aged care facilities being constructed in capital cities. Get your point but, those places can be lonely and miserable. Housing elderly, unwell and often dementing people further away from family???

No.
michaelgm
As much as my mum drives me nuts, and she will only ripen with age, id much prefer to have her in some sort of compartmentalised unit on my house instead of put her in one of those places.  My grandparents are in one now and its just a waiting room for the undertakers....
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Interesting point.  I wonder how many of the 'white' people with anti immigrant sentiment realise that a lot of the infrastructure was built by non whites?  Or do they think that whites did everything?
james.au
Do you think they care?

Leaving aside the straight out racists for a moment many people including me now think that population growth in Aus is too high. I really don't like the way Melbourne is being developed to cope and that was one of the drivers for me to move to Castlemaine.

It is not just Africans, Indians and Asians, many of these new entrants are Brits, Irish and Europeans - having Greek family I am well aware of how many young Greeks are coming to Melbourne seeking a better life ATM as "the crisis" drags on and on.

The city is bursting at the seams, it is very hard to get around in the inner city (where I lived for 25 years) these days and I as someone who has always supported immigration now think we have gone too far.

Re the racial/ religious mix, I don't have a problem with it per se although as a dyed in the wool athiest I do rue that religious fanaticism of all persuasions is making a comeback in my country, I had really hoped that as we matured as a society they would slide silently away.

Oh and BTW some of the racists that I come across in my social and business life are from those same groups who migrated to Australia in the 1950s and 1960s. Greeks, Italians etc etc etc. It is not just whites.

BG
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I'm sick of seeing all these migrants taking Aussie jobs.

Taxi drivers, service station attendants, 7-11's, toilet cleaners, nursing home carers, hospital orderlies. Enough is enough !!!

Wink
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm sick of seeing all these migrants taking Aussie jobs.

Taxi drivers, service station attendants, 7-11's, toilet cleaners, nursing home carers, hospital orderlies. Enough is enough !!!

Wink
Groundrelay
Do you really think its changed that much in last 50 years?

Migrants always take the lower paid jobs because they typically want to work and don't have the skill sets to take the higher jobs unless from UK, SA, Nth America, NZ etc where they have English and suitable recognized qualifications and experience. Its also been noted and said many a time, the migrants often take the jobs Aussies won't do, same applies in US, Canada, UK.....and from my experience their off-spring typically do better at school.

I cannot think of any Aussie examples but the American Actress Mila Kunis, Ukrainian immigrant/refugee to USA as a child, mother and father both have degrees, her father an Engineer in Ukraine. In the USA what job does he get, Taxi driver, her mother not alot different.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I'm sick of seeing all these migrants taking Aussie jobs.

Taxi drivers, service station attendants, 7-11's, toilet cleaners, nursing home carers, hospital orderlies. Enough is enough !!!

Wink
Do you really think its changed that much in last 50 years?

Migrants always take the lower paid jobs because they typically want to work and don't have the skill sets to take the higher jobs unless from UK, SA, Nth America, NZ etc where they have English and suitable recognized qualifications and experience. Its also been noted and said many a time, the migrants often take the jobs Aussies won't do, same applies in US, Canada, UK.....and from my experience their off-spring typically do better at school.

I cannot think of any Aussie examples but the American Actress Mila Kunis, Ukrainian immigrant/refugee to USA as a child, mother and father both have degrees, her father an Engineer in Ukraine. In the USA what job does he get, Taxi driver, her mother not alot different.
RTT_Rules
Goes back further to the mass immigration of DP's after WW2. However we're far more dependent on temporary workers now.
This country was pathetically slow addressing non recognition of qualifications from outside the UK. As for the children of migrants in Sydney or Melbourne, the ethnicity of those graduating Medicine or Engineering as opposed to Law is another telling story.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Goes back further to the mass immigration of DP's after WW2. However we're far more dependent on temporary workers now.
This country was pathetically slow addressing non recognition of qualifications from outside the UK. As for the children of migrants in Sydney or Melbourne, the ethnicity of those graduating Medicine or Engineering as opposed to Law is another telling story.
Groundrelay
Yep, its interesting to note that Middle East North Africa and across the sub-continent and maybe Asia the different focus on degrees that western society.

For example in the west we consider Medicine and Law the top two degrees or even higher degrees to get. Engineering and Science are rated of similar value, maybe Engineering slightly more than Science.

However across the MENA subcontinent, Medicine is the No.1 degree to get and if you cannot get that then its Engineering with others taking 3rd place or more along way behind. Large industrial companies can not even contemplate having Management and CEO's without an Engineering degree, usually backed up by Masters. Sciences are basically treated one step ahead of trades and paid as much as 50% lower on graduation in the same companies in India, but not so much in UAE or at least my employer. Many of my people or people I deal with in suppliers both in UAE and India are shocked when I tell them I'm not a Engineer by trade. I usually get the crap, but you know so much. Honestly a reflection of the different standards of education and general upbringing. While they were rote learning a Science text, I was building cubby houses over water and billy carts with multiple trailers from prams and building lego from assortment of pieces not a single project set with instructions to sit on the wall when done.

Fun Fact, back in 2010, one of my guys in India told me his 4y Engineering degree from a private but respected college in India cost...... $2500!

Not sure in India too much, but law is not highly rated but in UAE law is something other nationalities tend to get. For example at work we employ Aust and UK lawyers and I know of mostly Aust and UK lawyers in Dubai/UAE managing contracts for large companies. The courts support services from my experience are all backed up by Arabic speaking lawyers from Egypt and Lebanon, not UAE National doing less challenging tasks checking wording and such in paper work. I would dare say I earn more. I don't know about the criminal side of law and hope I never find out.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
^^^ "Developing countries need scientists and engineers, developed countries get accountants and lawyers..."

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