New long-distance V/Line rolling stock

 
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

James and Lockie - I'm quite certain that both the New Regional Train and New Generation Tram mentioned on that page are new information. That page has been deliberately added to the website in the last few days. As for the Rolling Stock Strategy, that's referenced separately on the same website - which, I might add, is the first time in a couple of years it's actually appeared anywhere other than the Premier's website.

I'd caution against reading too much into it of course but I'm confident it indicates something actually underway. At the same time, the Suburban Rail Loop, Airport Rail Link and Western Rail Plan have all appeared on the Transport website, so it's part of a bigger rewrite.

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  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
It might be new public information, but these are the types of things that people in the department (or however Public Transport is organised this week) are working on quietly in the background. I recall a conversation with someone about the last tram order extension about whether the Government would tender for the 'F Class' and let Alstom Ballarat have a chance.

It's all politics of course, Ballarat has got some X'Trapolis refits to tide them over, and Dandenong got the order extension.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

It might be new public information, but these are the types of things that people in the department (or however Public Transport is organised this week) are working on quietly in the background. I recall a conversation with someone about the last tram order extension about whether the Government would tender for the 'F Class' and let Alstom Ballarat have a chance.

It's all politics of course, Ballarat has got some X'Trapolis refits to tide them over, and Dandenong got the order extension.
TOQ-1
Ultimately it proves that a truly "free market" does a poor job of maintaing parochial pride in an industry like Victoria's.

If you're going to insist politically on having all stock built here - which is not unreasonable from a number of politico-economic viewpoints - then you either have to try and prop up a whole heap of different manufacturers, running around to keep each facility going for another year; or, you have to implement a more centrally planned solution.

Yes, I know, socialism, blah blah. With future rollingstock orders for Victoria likely to be high-volume and relatively standard, I think a more likely reality in the medium-term future is the state buying back the major workshop facilities and entering joint ventures with global manufacturers like Alstom, Bombardier and CRRC. Probably after an Auditor-General's report points out the current arrangements are costing the state an unreasonable fortune...
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

For the umpteenth time Gheringhap - Warrenheip is only to be standardized now, NO dg on that section
Unless it’s thrown under the rug and forgotten about as governments do with many things.
Thanks for that info. I missed it earlier. My only concern is that once that line is SG there is only one BG connection from SCS to Ballarat, so if there is a track problem, then moving rolling stock from SCS to Ballarat stops until the problem is fixed. But we will have to wait and see.
Duncs
1. V/locity trains are inherently reliable.
2. Ballarat Line upgrade includes extra long loops at Ballan and Millbrook, duplication Caroline Springs to Melton Weir Junction, and duplication through Bacchus Marsh, plus second platform at Wendouree .
3. one doesn t legislate for exceptions  !!!
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

@PIMM

I think this is just left over from the governments “10 year rolling stock strategy” that came out a few years ago.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PTVH1486_Rolling_Stock_Strategy_A4_Spreads_%C6%92_web.pdf

Which was basically a big glossy spreed outlining that they would develop a pipeline of works to keep people in the industry and keep jobs down. Was also aimed at car workers that were loosing there jobs at the time.

A post VLocity, HCMT and E class were all mentioned in the document.
Lockie91
Nothing new here just sme old stuff of 3 years ago re-cycled under the re-created Department of Transport .

Reality is we will end up with two V/Locity train types the existing Commuter model as a mix of 3 & 4 car sets so peak trains can be run of 3,4, 6 7 or 8 cars, whereas only 3 or 6 cars can be run now .

Inter City wise a new generation Inter City V/Locity looks the go as fixed 4 or 5 car sets with extra luggage and bike space to cover Warrnambool, Albury (sg), Swan Hill &  Bairnsdale .  Shepp will go Commuter V/Locity with 8 tarins a day each way .

Intercity wise Governemnt has already promised V/Locity trains specificall for both Albury & Warrnambool .
Speed wise Intercity  160kmh to Geelong, Bendigo & Traralgon then potentially  initially  115kmh Traralgon - Bairnsdale,
ditto Eaglehawk - Swan Hill,  130kmh  Waurn ponds - Warrnambool, and 130 kmh on North East sg track. Will only take 15 Inter City VL sets to cover the 4 corridors and allow retirement of teh 78  N/Z cars .  Of those 15 Intercity VL sets 10 on bg, 5 on sg with 2 spare sets potentially on sg and 2 spare sets on bg . Its probably more about keeping up work for Bomabardier at Dandenong .  Also V/Locity is very successful inherently reliable train type, so makes sense to use them on longer distance runs with an enhanced interior fit out . Also big benefits in mainatenance , spare parts in having V/L train types used on all VLP services - commuter or Inter City .  The above fleet would support the RNDP frequencies proposed on Weekdays of  Warrnambool , Albury and Bairnsdale 5 return trips, and Swan Hill 3 - 4 return trips.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

@PIMM

I think this is just left over from the governments “10 year rolling stock strategy” that came out a few years ago.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PTVH1486_Rolling_Stock_Strategy_A4_Spreads_%C6%92_web.pdf

Which was basically a big glossy spreed outlining that they would develop a pipeline of works to keep people in the industry and keep jobs down. Was also aimed at car workers that were loosing there jobs at the time.

A post VLocity, HCMT and E class were all mentioned in the document.
Nothing new here just sme old stuff of 3 years ago re-cycled under the re-created Department of Transport .

Reality is we will end up with two V/Locity train types the existing Commuter model as a mix of 3 & 4 car sets so peak trains can be run of 3,4, 6 7 or 8 cars, whereas only 3 or 6 cars can be run now .

Inter City wise a new generation Inter City V/Locity looks the go as fixed 4 or 5 car sets with extra luggage and bike space to cover Warrnambool, Albury (sg), Swan Hill &  Bairnsdale .  Shepp will go Commuter V/Locity with 8 tarins a day each way .

Intercity wise Governemnt has already promised V/Locity trains specificall for both Albury & Warrnambool .
Speed wise Intercity  160kmh to Geelong, Bendigo & Traralgon then potentially  initially  115kmh Traralgon - Bairnsdale,
ditto Eaglehawk - Swan Hill,  130kmh  Waurn ponds - Warrnambool, and 130 kmh on North East sg track. Will only take 15 Inter City VL sets to cover the 4 corridors and allow retirement of teh 78  N/Z cars .  Of those 15 Intercity VL sets 10 on bg, 5 on sg with 2 spare sets potentially on sg and 2 spare sets on bg . Its probably more about keeping up work for Bomabardier at Dandenong .  Also V/Locity is very successful inherently reliable train type, so makes sense to use them on longer distance runs with an enhanced interior fit out . Also big benefits in mainatenance , spare parts in having V/L train types used on all VLP services - commuter or Inter City .  The above fleet would support the RNDP frequencies proposed on Weekdays of  Warrnambool , Albury and Bairnsdale 5 return trips, and Swan Hill 3 - 4 return trips.
kuldalai
I agree. That all makes sense.

I understand the safety collision protection for drivers will be enhanced in the newer model V Locities. Can anyone explain what this will entail.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Nothing new here just sme old stuff of 3 years ago re-cycled under the re-created Department of Transport . Reality is we will end up with two V/Locity train types the existing Commuter model as a mix of 3 & 4 car sets so peak trains can be run of 3,4, 6 7 or 8 cars, whereas only 3 or 6 cars can be run now . Inter City wise a new generation Inter City V/Locity looks the go as fixed 4 or 5 car sets with extra luggage and bike space to cover Warrnambool, Albury (sg), Swan Hill & Bairnsdale . Shepp will go Commuter V/Locity with 8 tarins a day each way . Intercity wise Governemnt has already promised V/Locity trains specificall for both Albury & Warrnambool . Speed wise Intercity 160kmh to Geelong, Bendigo & Traralgon then potentially initially 115kmh Traralgon - Bairnsdale, ditto Eaglehawk - Swan Hill, 130kmh Waurn ponds - Warrnambool, and 130 kmh on North East sg track. Will only take 15 Inter City VL sets to cover the 4 corridors and allow retirement of teh 78 N/Z cars . Of those 15 Intercity VL sets 10 on bg, 5 on sg with 2 spare sets potentially on sg and 2 spare sets on bg . Its probably more about keeping up work for Bomabardier at Dandenong . Also V/Locity is very successful inherently reliable train type, so makes sense to use them on longer distance runs with an enhanced interior fit out . Also big benefits in mainatenance , spare parts in having V/L train types used on all VLP services - commuter or Inter City . The above fleet would support the RNDP frequencies proposed on Weekdays of Warrnambool , Albury and Bairnsdale 5 return trips, and Swan Hill 3 - 4 return trips.
kuldalai



Echuca could be a candidate for long haul Vlocitys, although it is shorter than the other lines. And when Dimboola/Horsham has rail return, it will need long haul VLocitys.

VLos- Bendigo, Seymour, Shepparton, Traralgon, Echuca, Maryborough, Ararat, Future Hamilton and Torquay
VLos Long Haul- Bairnsdale, Albury SG, Warrnambool (potentially SG), Swan Hill, Future Dimboola, maybe add future Mildura
High Speed and High Capacity Trains - Geelong/Waurn Ponds and Ballarat/Wendouree
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Nothing new here just sme old stuff of 3 years ago re-cycled under the re-created Department of Transport .

Reality is we will end up with two V/Locity train types the existing Commuter model as a mix of 3 & 4 car sets so peak trains can be run of 3,4, 6 7 or 8 cars, whereas only 3 or 6 cars can be run now .

Inter City wise a new generation Inter City V/Locity looks the go as fixed 4 or 5 car sets with extra luggage and bike space to cover Warrnambool, Albury (sg), Swan Hill &  Bairnsdale .  Shepp will go Commuter V/Locity with 8 tarins a day each way .

Intercity wise Governemnt has already promised V/Locity trains specificall for both Albury & Warrnambool .
Speed wise Intercity  160kmh to Geelong, Bendigo & Traralgon then potentially  initially  115kmh Traralgon - Bairnsdale,
ditto Eaglehawk - Swan Hill,  130kmh  Waurn ponds - Warrnambool, and 130 kmh on North East sg track. Will only take 15 Inter City VL sets to cover the 4 corridors and allow retirement of teh 78  N/Z cars .  Of those 15 Intercity VL sets 10 on bg, 5 on sg with 2 spare sets potentially on sg and 2 spare sets on bg . Its probably more about keeping up work for Bomabardier at Dandenong .  Also V/Locity is very successful inherently reliable train type, so makes sense to use them on longer distance runs with an enhanced interior fit out . Also big benefits in mainatenance , spare parts in having V/L train types used on all VLP services - commuter or Inter City .  The above fleet would support the RNDP frequencies proposed on Weekdays of  Warrnambool , Albury and Bairnsdale 5 return trips, and Swan Hill 3 - 4 return trips.
kuldalai

I don't disagree with any of those specifics.

As I posted a couple of days ago, there is some more or less public confirmation that an intercity VLocity will be ordered from Dandenong

But the VLocity platform is unsuitable in the short to medium term for Ballarat and Geelong commuter runs. There is a V/Line report floating around somewhere that states precisely this. It is unlikely that WV and Melton quadding and sparking could be complete before 2025 at the very earliest, most likely even longer depending on how the project is staged with the airport job.

Assuming the government's election promise of an additional 18 3-car sets to be completed by 2021 goes ahead as planned, and a number of intermediate cars are built as the older units transition to long-haul services, it makes complete sense to me if betwixt now and then a new contract is let for more commuter-oriented trains to enter service beyond 2021.

The Department of Transport is developing a business case for a modern New Regional Train to continue to meet passenger needs and growing demand on the regional network.

The business case will also identify and assess supporting infrastructure requirements such as stabling and maintenance facilities, and how best to integrate the trains with the network.

The New Regional Trains will carry more passengers, provide a more comfortable journey, enabling the classic fleet to be phased out over time and be more energy efficient.
Department of Transport


"New Regional Trains" sounds like a retender to me, especially given it is on a separate page to the additional VLocity orders, including the intercity orders.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Can’t they run 9 Car Vlocitys, wouldn’t that be sufficient if possible for Geelong/Melton/Ballarat until Electrification, Quadruplication and fast rail is delivered

Then you can deliver future electrified fast trains that are 9-10 cars and new long haul trains to replace the old country fleet
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

last time I looked, Echuca already has velocity choo choos.
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
Would love to see in the near future long distance Vlocity units running top speeds of 200km/h + to Bairnsdale.
Unlikely as that is already above the 160kph limit to Traralgon. But 130 kph on class two track (up from 100kph on the class three track in use now) is quite realistic and achievable from Traralgon through Sale to Bairnsdale.
Duncs
130kph in 2019.... compared to overseas wow. FFS Victoria.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Nothing new here just sme old stuff of 3 years ago re-cycled under the re-created Department of Transport .

Reality is we will end up with two V/Locity train types the existing Commuter model as a mix of 3 & 4 car sets so peak trains can be run of 3,4, 6 7 or 8 cars, whereas only 3 or 6 cars can be run now .

Inter City wise a new generation Inter City V/Locity looks the go as fixed 4 or 5 car sets with extra luggage and bike space to cover Warrnambool, Albury (sg), Swan Hill &  Bairnsdale .  Shepp will go Commuter V/Locity with 8 tarins a day each way .

Intercity wise Governemnt has already promised V/Locity trains specificall for both Albury & Warrnambool .
Speed wise Intercity  160kmh to Geelong, Bendigo & Traralgon then potentially  initially  115kmh Traralgon - Bairnsdale,
ditto Eaglehawk - Swan Hill,  130kmh  Waurn ponds - Warrnambool, and 130 kmh on North East sg track. Will only take 15 Inter City VL sets to cover the 4 corridors and allow retirement of teh 78  N/Z cars .  Of those 15 Intercity VL sets 10 on bg, 5 on sg with 2 spare sets potentially on sg and 2 spare sets on bg . Its probably more about keeping up work for Bomabardier at Dandenong .  Also V/Locity is very successful inherently reliable train type, so makes sense to use them on longer distance runs with an enhanced interior fit out . Also big benefits in mainatenance , spare parts in having V/L train types used on all VLP services - commuter or Inter City .  The above fleet would support the RNDP frequencies proposed on Weekdays of  Warrnambool , Albury and Bairnsdale 5 return trips, and Swan Hill 3 - 4 return trips.

I don't disagree with any of those specifics.

As I posted a couple of days ago, there is some more or less public confirmation that an intercity VLocity will be ordered from Dandenong

But the VLocity platform is unsuitable in the short to medium term for Ballarat and Geelong commuter runs. There is a V/Line report floating around somewhere that states precisely this. It is unlikely that WV and Melton quadding and sparking could be complete before 2025 at the very earliest, most likely even longer depending on how the project is staged with the airport job.

Assuming the government's election promise of an additional 18 3-car sets to be completed by 2021 goes ahead as planned, and a number of intermediate cars are built as the older units transition to long-haul services, it makes complete sense to me if betwixt now and then a new contract is let for more commuter-oriented trains to enter service beyond 2021.

The Department of Transport is developing a business case for a modern New Regional Train to continue to meet passenger needs and growing demand on the regional network.

The business case will also identify and assess supporting infrastructure requirements such as stabling and maintenance facilities, and how best to integrate the trains with the network.

The New Regional Trains will carry more passengers, provide a more comfortable journey, enabling the classic fleet to be phased out over time and be more energy efficient.


"New Regional Trains" sounds like a retender to me, especially given it is on a separate page to the additional VLocity orders, including the intercity orders.
potatoinmymouth
The continued on going acquisition of V/Locity 3 car commuter above a fleet of around 90 x 3 car sets would be idiotic and just waste scarce capital funds for these reasons  :

1. We have enough VL trains now !  what we now is LONGER VL trains .
2. Running 9 car all powered VL sets would be extremely expensive and wasteful of capex as basically you are buying extra driving stations that rarely would be used . Secondly there are only a handful of platforms at Southern Cross that can handle 9 car 225 m trains, without reducing the peak period departure number of trains at the station . e:g: 7 cars will take up 2a but still leave 2 b freefor a second train ,  whereas 9 cars takes up effectively both 2a and 2 b .  Thirdly there are complex issues involved in extending platforms at Little River, Geelong, South Geelong and Marshall to 225m involving track and signalling, underbridges, sightlines for drivers  etc . 7 car VL sets have run to Geelong prior 2015 and Geelong line can  handle 7 car trains again with minor platform extensions at 4 locations .Ballarat can handle up to 7 cars also with selective platform extensions . In fact recent platforms constructed at Caroline Springs are 190m and hopefully under the current upgrade project a similar standard would apply with the new platforms at Rockbank, Cobblebank, Bacchus Marsh, Ballan and Wendouree . 190m allows for 7 car VL operations .

2. RRL is at capacity in peak hours so not much scope to run extra services .  Replacing existing H sets that seat 370 with DC x 3 car VL that seat 444 is not much increase for huge capex and then for new trains only used for two one way peak trips a day - very wasteful , and the increased capacity goes over specific trains only, and little benefit to Geelong line .

3.  Also with short term electrifications to Wyndham Vale, Melton, Bacchus Marsh and Geelong trains in Airtunnel from 2027 either as bi modal traction or AC sparks , a lot of V/Locity sets are going to become  surplus in the short term.

4. Best bang for buck now both capex and opex wise is a few more 3 car bg commuter sets and something like an initial order of 30 T trailer cars to insert into 30 existing 3 car sets . That would give a seated capacity in a 4  car set of 312.

5. Then with a mix of 3 and 4 car VL sets one can run trains of 3, 4, 6, 7 or 8 cars .  Indicatively as a first stage with 7 car operation of all peak Geelong and Ballarat services one can potentially achieve around a 30 % increase in peak capacity on both lines spread over all VL services compared to existing total peak capacity .

6. With a fleet of 3 and 4 car sets V/Line can potentially save $ millions annually in opex, fuel and distance based maintenance costs by better matching train sizes to actual loads . e:g:  1658 Dn Traralgon runs as 6VL but only loads to 55 % of capacity.  So run that trip with a 4VL offering 312 seats (loading will be 74 %) and the opex savings over 260 Weekdays in a year will be over $ 250,000  !!! Multiply that multiple occasions over 5 corridors 365 days a year and VLP can save big $ a year in opex .  However so long as the existing situation of only a 3 or a 6 one cannot realize those sort of savings .

7.  Potentially the off peak and shoulder peak savings as outlined above would probably go close to covering the marginal cost of additional train running at peak times in extending all the Geelong and Ballarat 6 car sets to 7 cars .  (At off peak times two powered cars saved return trip to Waurn Ponds by running 4 cars instead of 6 far exceeds additional fuel/maintenance cost for 1 extra trailer car on top of a 6 car set . )
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

a lot of V/Locity sets are going to become surplus in the short term.
kuldalai

No they won’t if we plan for the future. The Traralgon Line has a growing population and it will need 6 Car Sets to serve the growing towns of Drouin and Warrugal as well as established towns like Morwell.

Then you have the Bendigo Line which will need 6 Car sets. There’s also the Seymour, Shepparton, Torquay, Ararat and Echuca Lines, some needing 3 or 6 Car Sets.

Don’t forget if we also add the proposed Mornington and Stony Point Line running via Frankston To Dandenong Line that we have discussed on here and the intercity service that has been talked about between Geelong and Ballarat/Maryborough.

130kph in 2019.... compared to overseas wow. FFS Victoria.
vlocity27


If the whole VLine Network could have track that could handle 130km/h than that would be a start. There’s a few murmurings here and there that Vlocitys can do 200km/h, why have upgrades not taken place to take advantage of this
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
130kph in 2019.... compared to overseas wow. FFS Victoria.
vlocity27
vlocity27, yeah people keep sprooking how fast trains over seas, are but can you really compare those trains to, the line to Bairnsdale or any of the lines in Victoria ?

For a start, I bet any fast train, over seas, isn't running on an alignment, that is 150 years old, not too mention, how close stations, are, along your line, let alone the topography of the region.

If you look at a 150 - 200k circle around Melbourne, there are 2/3 of F/A people, outside that ( over looking Mikelanderville ) so 160k running speed and a bit if your real keen and you've rounded up the big majority of the population, so what is 250/300k an hour to Geelong, Ballarat or Bendigo, going to achieve, that 160 k running, isn't already doing.

Just my observation.

BigShunter.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
James and Lockie - I'm quite certain that both the New Regional Train and New Generation Tram mentioned on that page are new information. That page has been deliberately added to the website in the last few days. As for the Rolling Stock Strategy, that's referenced separately on the same website - which, I might add, is the first time in a couple of years it's actually appeared anywhere other than the Premier's website.

I'd caution against reading too much into it of course but I'm confident it indicates something actually underway. At the same time, the Suburban Rail Loop, Airport Rail Link and Western Rail Plan have all appeared on the Transport website, so it's part of a bigger rewrite.
potatoinmymouth
I just dont see the point of a new regional fleet when the VLocity with buffet etc are going to do the job just fine.  So suspect there is some aged information somewhere.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

First point of order is that we can safely assume VLos will eventually become the rollingstock of choice on the Seymour line as well, so that makes three lines. Second point is this: V/Line currently has 133 loco-hauled carriages in service, according to their annual report, although I think this includes vans. About 76 of these, according to Wikipedia, are the N sets, almost all of which are allocated to long-distance duties presently. If they usually run as 4-car sets this makes 19 sets. 51 are the H sets. Compare this to the ~318 VLocity carriages we may end up with. Let's say the H sets can be discarded entirely as their roles will be taken by Metro services. (I know this is not strictly true from a rostering perspective but it is roughly right from a pure numbers point of view.) Then suppose the N set fleet is entirely replaced by VLocities for long-haul services. Let's be generous and give 2 3-car sets to each service formerly run by an N set - so roughly 38 sets required there. This leaves 72 sets. Let's also assume the Geelong and Ballarat lines are sparked and run entirely by new intercity stock. Now take another 12 of these to run additional SG services in Western Vic, and account for the non-commuter runs presently occupied by VLos - Ararat, Maryborough, Echuca. So, 60 sets to spread across Bendigo, Seymour and Traralgon. That's only 30 6-car trains. I admit I've surprised myself a bit; this doesn't seem entirely unreasonable in light of country rail patronage that will only continue to increase.
me, on another thread

That was my analysis a couple of months ago on how a fleet of 106 VL sets could make sense. Obviously this is contingent on existing 3-car sets being converted to long-haul units and on the introduction of western SG services. However, what I didn’t account for was the 20/40/5 stated objectives of the RNDP, so the 12 sets I allocated to western SG could equally well be allocated to additional services (additional services: +1 to Warrnambool, +2 to Swan Hill, +4 to Echuca, +1 to Shepp +1 to Albury, +2 to Bairnsdale) on existing N set routes. There are also noises about an additional 4 Shepp services on top of that. 10 sets each for Bendigo, Seymour and Traralgon is quite plausible in the context of a 20/40 on/off peak service on these routes.

On the other hand, the point about opex is an excellent one, but probably beyond the analytical capacity of the average politician.

Regardless, it is clear that a new fleet for the Geelong/Ballarat lines is more than feasible and is realistically necessary to cope with the projected increase in “commuter” (I.e. non-suburban) travel volumes.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Today I happened to end up on both the morning Up Albury and an evening Down Waurn Ponds. It provided the best proof I’ve seen yet that VLo variants aren’t going to be a one-size-fits-all solution.

The Albury train was absolutely packed with luggage of all shapes and sizes. The van was packed and the carriage vestibules were also full, in addition to people having bags under their seats and so on.

On the other side of the coin, mine was the only bag in the overhead racks on the Waurn Ponds carriage, and there was no large luggage to be seen.

Very simple illustration of the different kinds of patronage V/Line is going to have to deal with.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Today I happened to end up on both the morning Up Albury and an evening Down Waurn Ponds. It provided the best proof I’ve seen yet that VLo variants aren’t going to be a one-size-fits-all solution.

The Albury train was absolutely packed with luggage of all shapes and sizes. The van was packed and the carriage vestibules were also full, in addition to people having bags under their seats and so on.

On the other side of the coin, mine was the only bag in the overhead racks on the Waurn Ponds carriage, and there was no large luggage to be seen.

Very simple illustration of the different kinds of patronage V/Line is going to have to deal with.
potatoinmymouth
I think we will find the seating layout of the VLocity's for the Albury line will be quite different to the ones that service places like Geelong and its suburbs. The VLine staff serving the N sets are well aware of the storage areas required and would assume VLine management will/have listened to them.

woodford
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
What are they currently doing for all the luggage on the Bairnsdale line vlocities? There is certainly a large ammount of luggage from passengers on that service.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

What are they currently doing for all the luggage on the Bairnsdale line vlocities? There is certainly a large ammount of luggage from passengers on that service.
vlocity27
A 3 car VLocity has 9 separate luggage racks/storage areas (apart from the overhead racks). There are three in the centre of the cars the rest are near the doors.

See Vlocity luggage locations

woodford
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

What are they currently doing for all the luggage on the Bairnsdale line vlocities? There is certainly a large ammount of luggage from passengers on that service.
vlocity27


Ridiculous for Vlos on Bairnsdale with the large distance the passengers have to put with and delays that it usually faces. Food and Drink should be upgraded on VLine, reckon there should be some pasta, rice, meat, noodle dishes that you should be able to purchase.
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
What are they currently doing for all the luggage on the Bairnsdale line vlocities? There is certainly a large ammount of luggage from passengers on that service.


Ridiculous for Vlos on Bairnsdale with the large distance the passengers have to put with and delays that it usually faces. Food and Drink should be upgraded on VLine, reckon there should be some pasta, rice, meat, noodle dishes that you should be able to purchase.
ptvcommuter
**reasonable pricing too
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I really like the look of these units which would be fantastic on the Geelong and Ballarat Lines.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_397
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

I really like the look of these units which would be fantastic on the Geelong and Ballarat Lines.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_397
bevans
I would have put this post in the Geelong electrification thread. Having said that, it is a nice looking train. Incidentally there is an article in The Age today where Infrastructure Australia is recommending electrification to Geelong. A similar editorial appeared yesterday in the AFR but that focussed more on regional rail upgrades.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hi @Duncs and thanks for the feedback.

The train itself would be brilliant for the Ballarat Line with electrification also but the comfort and interior look very good.  This train would encourage people back to rail between the 3 cities and running at 160 km.h would offer an excellent service.

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