Rail Revival Study: Geelong - Ballarat - Bendigo

 
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

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  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
What’s this about the Geelong to Ballarat Line becoming only SG, I haven’t heard anything about that
Just build an SG Line adjacent to the exisiting Ballarat Line for these Overland and future Dimboola Trains would be easier than running them via Geelong which takes longer and is ridiculous.
ptvcommuter
If we could 'just' build lines, then Ballarat - Melbourne would already be double track the full way. Unfortunately, we can't and someone has to make a decision as to what is worthwhile.

The vast majority of passenger rolling stock is on the BG. Building new SG lines just for passengers will never get up. Building new SG lines for freight might, if it makes sense. The current Ballarat Main Line is not suitable for freight, so no SG track will be built there (at least not for decades and decades, I'll never say never).

Passengers from Horsham already change from coach to train at either Ararat or Ballarat. If you are coming from west or north of Horsham, you may have to change coaches at Horsham as well, before changing for the train. And not everyone is travelling to Melbourne - there are plenty of people who are heading to Ballarat for the day or for work etc.

The Overland is a tourist train, and is not a good example of public transport in Western Victoria. Much better to improve coaches, connection and train turnover time at Ararat and Ballarat.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The current shutdown on the Bendigo line has given me a chance to chat to some of the Vline CSOs and other staff while waiting for a coach (there seem to be as many staff as pax at times including outside hires at most stops to do the bus co-ordination while V/Line staff stand around and watch but that is a story for another day)

Got to chatting about the Maryborough to Castlemaine and MBY > Bendigo coach services last week.

Apptly the normal load for the Castlemaine coach is 3 > 4 passengers. And the Bendigo one sounds even worse - I was told that one coach sets sail out of MBY heading to Newstead where it meets up with another for the trip to Bendigo. If there are no pax by the time it leaves Moolort then it turns around and heads back to Maryborough to await it's next assignment. Sounded like this was not an irregular occurrence.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

What’s this about the Geelong to Ballarat Line becoming only SG, I haven’t heard anything about that
Just build an SG Line adjacent to the exisiting Ballarat Line for these Overland and future Dimboola Trains would be easier than running them via Geelong which takes longer and is ridiculous.
If we could 'just' build lines, then Ballarat - Melbourne would already be double track the full way. Unfortunately, we can't and someone has to make a decision as to what is worthwhile.

The vast majority of passenger rolling stock is on the BG. Building new SG lines just for passengers will never get up. Building new SG lines for freight might, if it makes sense. The current Ballarat Main Line is not suitable for freight, so no SG track will be built there (at least not for decades and decades, I'll never say never).

Passengers from Horsham already change from coach to train at either Ararat or Ballarat. If you are coming from west or north of Horsham, you may have to change coaches at Horsham as well, before changing for the train. And not everyone is travelling to Melbourne - there are plenty of people who are heading to Ballarat for the day or for work etc.

The Overland is a tourist train, and is not a good example of public transport in Western Victoria. Much better to improve coaches, connection and train turnover time at Ararat and Ballarat.
TOQ-1
READ the Wimmera Area Passenger Study and the game plan is all set out there re  bg pax to Ballarat, sg beyond to Ararat, Hamilton, Horsham, and  Maryborough .

Not just a matter of sg  Ballarat - Geelong rather the tortuously slow sg access route into Southern Cross .

When built in 1862 Geelong - Ballarat was double track just like Melebourne - Bendigo . The second track was taken up progressively during the depression between North Geelong "C" and Warrenheip owing to a shortage of rails during the depression .

We have ill knowledged bureaucrats seeking brownie points to thank for the more recent singling of Kyneton to Kangaroo Flat line on the incorrect statement that VL trains could not pass each other in the tunnels at Elphinstone or Big Hill which was utter BS .  Sprinters are wider and longer and had been happily running through both tunnels at 130kmh for years . So V Locities which are shorter and narrower could easily do the same at 130kmh .
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Good update Brenton much appreciated by all I am sure. One does wonder if this is due to coaches not being popular and remember 2018 saw a net decrease in coach passengers who probably prefer the train.


I wonder how this would look for Geelong to Ballarat?
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

What’s this about the Geelong to Ballarat Line becoming only SG, I haven’t heard anything about that
Just build an SG Line adjacent to the exisiting Ballarat Line for these Overland and future Dimboola Trains would be easier than running them via Geelong which takes longer and is ridiculous.

Can build a new SG track with crossing loops between Ararat and Sunshine, keep the BG track existing on the Ararat to Ballarat for Hamilton services

Geelong-Ballarat-Maryborough as BG with exisiting Vlos as intercity service
Dimboola, Freight and Overland via new SG tracks
Hamilton on existing BG tracks to Melbourne with high Speed Ballarat/Wendouree Trains
ptvcommuter
few problems with line to Hamilton, it is SG, you do not have any clue, u just waffle on about nothing
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
What’s this about the Geelong to Ballarat Line becoming only SG, I haven’t heard anything about that
Just build an SG Line adjacent to the exisiting Ballarat Line for these Overland and future Dimboola Trains would be easier than running them via Geelong which takes longer and is ridiculous.
If we could 'just' build lines, then Ballarat - Melbourne would already be double track the full way. Unfortunately, we can't and someone has to make a decision as to what is worthwhile.

The vast majority of passenger rolling stock is on the BG. Building new SG lines just for passengers will never get up. Building new SG lines for freight might, if it makes sense. The current Ballarat Main Line is not suitable for freight, so no SG track will be built there (at least not for decades and decades, I'll never say never).

Passengers from Horsham already change from coach to train at either Ararat or Ballarat. If you are coming from west or north of Horsham, you may have to change coaches at Horsham as well, before changing for the train. And not everyone is travelling to Melbourne - there are plenty of people who are heading to Ballarat for the day or for work etc.

The Overland is a tourist train, and is not a good example of public transport in Western Victoria. Much better to improve coaches, connection and train turnover time at Ararat and Ballarat.
READ the Wimmera Area Passenger Study and the game plan is all set out there re  bg pax to Ballarat, sg beyond to Ararat, Hamilton, Horsham, and  Maryborough .

Not just a matter of sg  Ballarat - Geelong rather the tortuously slow sg access route into Southern Cross .

When built in 1862 Geelong - Ballarat was double track just like Melebourne - Bendigo . The second track was taken up progressively during the depression between North Geelong "C" and Warrenheip owing to a shortage of rails during the depression .

We have ill knowledged bureaucrats seeking brownie points to thank for the more recent singling of Kyneton to Kangaroo Flat line on the incorrect statement that VL trains could not pass each other in the tunnels at Elphinstone or Big Hill which was utter BS .  Sprinters are wider and longer and had been happily running through both tunnels at 130kmh for years . So V Locities which are shorter and narrower could easily do the same at 130kmh .
kuldalai
I've read it.

It's not Government Policy.

It's not going to happen until it is.

(I actually support this, but prefer talking about dreams as dreams, and reality as reality).
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Well said, @TOQ-1. Moreover, just because it’s John Hearsch’s preferred solution doesn’t mean it’s the only one. We may not have access to the time and resources he does but there’s no reason alternatives shouldn’t be discussed.

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