NSWGR 42 class number placement

 
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

I am decalling some 42 class, probably as 4201 Indian Red (IR) and 4204 as Indian Red Austerity IRA).  Googling around the internet shows lots of different photos of the sides, but generally those in IR have no number on the side while those in IRA do have a number.

I have very few photos of 4201, most I have found are of 4204 and 4205.

Any thoughts?

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  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

It was only in their early life that 42 class locos carried no side numbers; by the 1960s and certainly in the 1970s they all had them.
On 42 class sides an oval NSW coat of arms was placed to the rear of the first porthole, then the loco number to the rear of the second porthole. In later years some locos had the coat of arms replaced by an “L7” logo, and red lining was dropped (so called “Austerity” livery)
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

Thanks!
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

Looking through some photographs, the position can be summarized:

4201 did not get the oval coat of arms on its sides.  Pictures taken in 1974, 1978 and 1979 show no coat of arms on either side.

4202, 4203, 4204, 4205 & 4206 were as NSWcars states.

At the end, in 1983, 4206 had the coat of arms on the drivers side only.

In the 1960's, pictures show that 4202, 4203 & 4206 had the coat of arms without the white oval background.  Presumably, the other three (4201, 4204 & 4205) did too.  4202 & 4204 still carried this coat of arms on Armistice Day 1969.

Circa 1961 seems to when the numbers were painted onto the sides of the 42 Class.  The picture on Wikipedia shows that in 1961 4202 did not while 4206 did.  In 1962, 4202 did have numbers on its sides.
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

And of course, the size of the number varies as well...

I can see that 4205 has its number above the rear door, with 42 on the left side and 05 on the right side.  I can't find any other photos online of the rear of 42 class...so did any other of the class have their number at the back and if so, was it split like 4205 or not?
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

And of course, the size of the number varies as well...

I can see that 4205 has its number above the rear door, with 42 on the left side and 05 on the right side.  I can't find any other photos online of the rear of 42 class...so did any other of the class have their number at the back and if so, was it split like 4205 or not?
Gremlin
I would have thought the side numbers were a standard size, except perhaps on the last repaints.
Rear numbers on 42 class moved all over the place during their lifetime - low, high, middle, both sides, maybe one side only.
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

I have several photos of 4204 in IRA where the side numbers are almost 50% larger than other locos...but most of the photos I have found on the internet show the 42s with no side numbers...but I am only looking at IR and IRA...
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

I have several photos of 4204 in IRA where the side numbers are almost 50% larger than other locos...but most of the photos I have found on the internet show the 42s with no side numbers...but I am only looking at IR and IRA...
Gremlin
Yes, I think 4204 in "austerity" had larger, thicker numbers than standard.
As for the rear, Trainorama did at least six decoration variations for 42 class, but I don’t know how accurate they were, or what period each applied to. And that didn’t include the locos as delivered!
For the record, Trainorama's version of 4201 rear had the complete number low down on both sides, narrow yellow lined red band across the bottom, and a wide yellow lined red band at drivers window height (same height as yellow along the side grilles), with the rear door painted Indian Red. I assume this is meant to represent the 1960s era.
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

at least six decoration variations for 42 class
NSWRcars
Variations to rear decoration of 42 class included

No yellow other than number (as delivered);

Window height yellow band lined red;

Waist height yellow whiskers;

Yellow or Indian Red door.

Then there’s the numbers, that moved all over the place.

I guess it comes down to whether you want to represent a particular loco and era, or just want something that is typical of the class in general.
  Gremlin Assistant Commissioner

"I guess it comes down to whether you want to represent a particular loco and era, or just want something that is typical of the class in general."

Would be happy with knowing what the rear number looked like on 4201 when in IR and 4204 in IRA when both had a number on the side Smile

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As I am making them look like the photos I have, and I have none of the rear...anything that matches at any timeframe!

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If anyone could post links to photos of the rear of 42 class when wearing IR or IRA I would be very appreciative Smile

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