Mildura standard gauge sightings thread

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
9702 down to 20 wagons today
x31
Does that mean that one can run around 20 wagons at Ararat rather than have to venture out to Pyrenees?

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

9702 down to 20 wagons today
Does that mean that one can run around 20 wagons at Ararat rather than have to venture out to Pyrenees?
YM-Mundrabilla
Don't be silly; we've discussed this. There's room to run around 60 wagons at Ararat if you're feeling brave/amphibious enough.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
9702 down to 20 wagons today
Does that mean that one can run around 20 wagons at Ararat rather than have to venture out to Pyrenees?
Don't be silly; we've discussed this. There's room to run around 60 wagons at Ararat if you're feeling brave/amphibious enough.
potatoinmymouth
Of course, but I don't understand the need to be amphibious.

Its all rather simple - PROVIDED that ARTC are happy to have the section from Maroona to Pyrenees occupied for a few hours, and PROVIDED that it's OK to propel for a bit on either line, and PROVIDED that a willing crew are shanghaied into the job, along with lots of other provisos, none of course which would ever gain approval.....but anyway.....

Assuming that the existing Platform Road / Maryborough Line loop at Ararat can handle 30 grain hoppers (repeat a few steps if only 20 can fit) and a train of 60 arrives from Maroona that is headed towards Maryborough, you would...

1. Pass through on the Mainline until the tail of the train clears the Maroona end points;
2. Divide train so that the platform road is fully occupied and pull front half clear of the Pyrenees end points;
3. Propel the front portion around the tail and back out towards Maroona;
4. Draw forward again so the Locos are now in the middle, then push the first 30 clear of the Pyrenees end points after leaving the other 30 in the Platform road;
5. Run Locos around again and attach to the Maroona end;
6. Push back towards Pyrenees until the whole train is coupled again and keep pushing until the entire train is now clear of the Pyrenees end;
7. Sit there for a while waiting for the air pressure to be regained and tested etc;
8. Change crews (they will have run out of hours by now, and need to sign autographs and pose for photos for the assembled Gunzels who have been recording all the silliness);
9. Get Train Order and depart for Maryborough - ARTC then get their line back and Interstate Trains can move again.

Then do it all over again when the loaded train returns.

As PIMM says, it can be done (and he may have another resolution). But somehow I think that going out the few km to Pyrenees Loop would be just a little easier.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Just looked at Gheringhap sightings and wagon numbers are down the question is why ?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

As PIMM says, it can be done (and he may have another resolution). But somehow I think that going out the few km to Pyrenees Loop would be just a little easier.
mikesyd

‘Twas a tongue in cheek reference to a certain poster’s proposal to lengthen Ararat Yard to 1800m clear length - despite the presence of a large lake - or something similarly bonkers.

PIMM has no rail operations knowledge or imagination but got a very solid laugh out of the preceding narrative. Particularly the shift change!
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
And 20 wagons on the down train today.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Three weeks later I decided to take a look based on this thread and Fojnd 20 wagons only today. Loading well down on what was on BG.

There is something in this.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Three weeks later I decided to take a look based on this thread and Fojnd 20 wagons only today. Loading well down on what was on BG.

There is something in this.
freightgate
Yes, it's called the off peak season.

Seriously, take a look at the Gheringhap sightings for this time last year, and the year before, and the year before that. They ALWAYS have small train sizes at this point of the year because there's not much coming out of Merbein at this time!
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Thanks for the update @Greensleeves but noticed today the wagon count is up to 30 so good news.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Today's UP PN Mildura through Gheringhap with BL30-G523 with video here https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1154
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Today's UP PN Mildura through Gheringhap with BL30-G523 with video here https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1154
bevans
Since the upgrade to sg track, what is the maximum line speed for a freight train such as this one?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Slower!
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Today's UP PN Mildura through Gheringhap with BL30-G523 with video here https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1154
Since the upgrade to sg track, what is the maximum line speed for a freight train such as this one?
Duncs

115kph on the ARTC main line, and they regularly get up to 80kph (sometimes more) on the line north of Maryborough. Speed restrictions not withstanding of course.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Today's UP PN Mildura through Gheringhap with BL30-G523 with video here https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1154
Since the upgrade to sg track, what is the maximum line speed for a freight train such as this one?

115kph on the ARTC main line, and they regularly get up to 80kph (sometimes more) on the line north of Maryborough. Speed restrictions not withstanding of course.
Greensleeves
That sounds pretty good to me
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
A very recent, clip here from Graeme, showing a very long consist, all but back to maxi length and if you look in the comments, Graeme explains what's happening, but everyone probably realises, it's approaching peek harvest, up in the great food producing Sunraysia region.

While your at it, try and distract yourself from the ramshackle rail alignment, not too mention the Huge woof, in the rails, in front of the loading shut road, nip the volume up and listen to the bird life, in the back ground, on what looks a terrific morning in Dunolly. ( you will have to click on the youtube link to be able to see the comments )



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8zljgvfP2E

Thanks Graeme, for the film clip.

BigShunter.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
And hopefully in a few weeks we might even see it take the new Triangle link at Ararat - should shave an hour off the journey.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
A G and a BL is a slight upgrade in power from the usual G and XR, yes?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Close enough to be identical really as XR's are 3000hp as well. Tractive effort may be slightly different but wouldn't be by much.

As for today's run, it has XR558, G523, BL28 & BL30 on 50 wagons. BL's were sent light from UGL late last night to join the train after issues with the G and XR.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
A G and a BL is a slight upgrade in power from the usual G and XR, yes?
james.au
Depends where you read, pretty much the same HP.

BL = 3340HP

XR = 3300HP

The G depends on whether its original, or rebuilt - 3300 or 3800 for rebuilds (don't know which one are rebuilds though)
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
G523 is one with the big donk (was the first one done after its Tongala rollover), from memory 541, 542 and 543 were as well as a couple of others.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Close enough to be identical really as XR's are 3000hp as well. Tractive effort may be slightly different but wouldn't be by much.

As for today's run, it has XR558, G523 (failed on way out), BL28 & BL30 on 50 wagons. BL's were sent light from UGL late last night to join the train after the G's failure.
Greensleeves
I have a photo of a 4 loco grain departing Maryborough last September 18, with G523 being the 4th in line, and it didn't seem to be powering then either.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
@Greensleeves was this on the UP as the G lead out yesterday

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/gheringhaploophd/photo/40014714833

BL30_BL28 went light via Gheringhap Loop at 1am this morning.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
@Greensleeves was this on the UP as the G lead out yesterday

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/gheringhaploophd/photo/40014714833

BL30_BL28 went light via Gheringhap Loop at 1am this morning.
x31
No, down this morning on the run from Ararat to Merbein.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
G523, G526, G529, G530, G531, G536, G541 & G543 are the rebuilt Gs with the more powerful engines.

Continuous Tractive Effort of 311kN at 18km/h for the original engines I am not sure about the rebuilds.

XR Class Continuous Tractive Effort of 344kN at 17km/h.

I would put the difference done to the control system in the XRs.

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