Waratah B Set - Enter Service Date?

 
  subtractam Beginner

Watch out for a change to B1 - I noticed it in Glendale a few weeks back with the orange removed from the cabs, but it got put back on again. Just watched it transit back to Sydney with the orange gone again,...
Don't know about B1, but spotted B9 shunting AMC this morning with yellow front...
It would appear that B9 does indeed have the yellow wrapping of the A sets, but keeping the black area at the top and the black areas around the side windows.
sansjml
B9 and B12 spotted at AMC yesterday morning (17 Dec), both with orange cab fronts. Temporary shortage of orange?
Forgot to post earlier that I had seen B1 still operating in orange. Perhaps it was 10 that was originally observed heading to Sydney in yellow?

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  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
The wrap is being finished at Auburn. B9 and B12 will look the same as the rest of the fleet by the time they enter service.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
How many B sets are in service now ?
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

8 diagrams covered now 60,61,62,63,64,65,67&69
  sansjml Station Master

8 diagrams covered now 60,61,62,63,64,65,67&69
Airvan99
Just casually skips 66 :')
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

66 and 68 are currently covered by K sets so I expect them to be the next to be covered ( unless someone is superstitious)
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

A little juggling around after new year. 63 has reverted back to being a K ( along with 66) to be replaced by run 68 being covered by a B set. So still 8 covered by B sets. Presumably the contract specifies the number of B’s that have to be in service by a certain date. The others are in maintenance or in reserve.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
More Bees please .
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
A little juggling around after new year. 63 has reverted back to being a K ( along with 66) to be replaced by run 68 being covered by a B set. So still 8 covered by B sets. Presumably the contract specifies the number of B’s that have to be in service by a certain date. The others are in maintenance or in reserve.
Airvan99
Is that the actual SWTT with modifications, or the holiday timetable?
  Brucetiki Station Staff

Watch out for a change to B1 - I noticed it in Glendale a few weeks back with the orange removed from the cabs, but it got put back on again. Just watched it transit back to Sydney with the orange gone again,...
Don't know about B1, but spotted B9 shunting AMC this morning with yellow front...
It would appear that B9 does indeed have the yellow wrapping of the A sets, but keeping the black area at the top and the black areas around the side windows.
B9 and B12 spotted at AMC yesterday morning (17 Dec), both with orange cab fronts. Temporary shortage of orange?
Forgot to post earlier that I had seen B1 still operating in orange. Perhaps it was 10 that was originally observed heading to Sydney in yellow?
subtractam

Maybe the orange washed out in the rain Very Happy
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

A little juggling around after new year. 63 has reverted back to being a K ( along with 66) to be replaced by run 68 being covered by a B set. So still 8 covered by B sets. Presumably the contract specifies the number of B’s that have to be in service by a certain date. The others are in maintenance or in reserve.
Is that the actual SWTT with modifications, or the holiday timetable?
s3_gunzel
It's the holiday, we will have to wait till everyone is back at work after Australia Day to see if they put more out on the tracks.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Channel 9 News reports that the NSW Government is about to sign off to buy 17 more Waratah B Set trains, which would bring up the total number of B sets to 41 (25 - 41). It's clear now that in the lead up to the election they want to make sure to be able to retire the last of the S sets.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2019/01/07/17/03/new-waratah-trains-china-sydney-nsw-politics
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Extending the B-set order with another 17 units. This is to extend the fleet rather than replace K/C-sets.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-s-stretched-rail-network-in-store-for-900m-in-new-trains-20190206-p50w1l.html

Nice timing with an election less than 8 weeks away....
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
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This is an election sweetener, but good news because this will finally provide for real fleet growth.
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

Although the government announced that 12 are in service, only 8 are on the tracks each weekday ( 5 at weekends, was 4 before oz day). 4 being held back for maintenance during the week appears a high number and I suppose as the sets accumulate more mileage they will put more on the tracks. Does any one know the number of A sets that are kept back for maintenance?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Extending the B-set order with another 17 units. This is to extend the fleet rather than replace K/C-sets.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-s-stretched-rail-network-in-store-for-900m-in-new-trains-20190206-p50w1l.html

Nice timing with an election less than 8 weeks away....
jcouch
Don't forget the OSCARs will enter suburban service once the NIF trains come online.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Although the government announced that 12 are in service, only 8 are on the tracks each weekday ( 5 at weekends, was 4 before oz day). 4 being held back for maintenance during the week appears a high number and I suppose as the sets accumulate more mileage they will put more on the tracks. Does any one know the number of A sets that are kept back for maintenance?
"Airvan99"

In respect to the original Fleet of 78 A sets, 72 sets were required for the Timetable (92% availability approx.), with 6 sets for the Maintenance Cycle.

With set A42 taken out of traffic, due to the Richmond incident in January 2018, the number of sets for the Maintenance Cycle was reduced to 5.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Friday, February 8, Evening Peak: 10 x 8B sets operating Sector 2 (T2, T3, & T8 services).

Rosters (consist): 60 (B12), 61 (B10), 62 (B5), 64 (B7), 65 (B9), 67 (B4), 68 (B1), 69 (B3).

B6 and B11 running on A set Rosters 89 and 79 respectively.
Roster 63 consisted of S92/135, Roster 66 consisted of K87/91.

No sighting of sets B2 and B8 on Sector 2. It was reported on another Forum that B2 was running Sector 3 (T1 services) the previous day.
  Kset56 Station Master

Location: Somewhere
According to Tripview on Friday(08/2) rosters 63 and 66 were supposed to be scheduled as B-Sets from Monday(11/2) but have reverted to being allocated as K-Sets again when I checked today

Can someone please explain as to why no existing K-set rosters have been replaced with B-sets since the start of the year despite the fact that 3 extra sets have been approved for service, are there still problems with the B-Sets which is why there aren't any new timetabled B-Set rosters
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

According to Tripview on Friday(08/2) rosters 63 and 66 were supposed to be scheduled as B-Sets from Monday(11/2) but have reverted to being allocated as K-Sets again when I checked today

Can someone please explain as to why no existing K-set rosters have been replaced with B-sets since the start of the year despite the fact that 3 extra sets have been approved for service, are there still problems with the B-Sets which is why there aren't any new timetabled B-Set rosters
Kset56
B's are not replacing K's. They are replacing the S sets.
  Kset56 Station Master

Location: Somewhere
I know they are replacing S-sets but the K-set rosters(60-69) are meant to be replaced by B-sets which in turn replace S-set rsoters.

My question is why haven't any new B-set rosters been allocated to the timetable since the start of the year since there are still the same number of S-sets operating during the peak
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Probably because they keep a few for maintenance and a few have been running A Set rosters lately
  S100S28 Station Master

I know they are replacing S-sets but the K-set rosters(60-69) are meant to be replaced by B-sets which in turn replace S-set rsoters.

My question is why haven't any new B-set rosters been allocated to the timetable since the start of the year since there are still the same number of S-sets operating during the peak
Kset56
According to Tripview, run 63 from Monday the 18/02 will be converted from K to B set with run 66 to be the last of the 60s K run which will change shortly. Already B15, B16 and B17 are at AMF.
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

Confirmed run 63 was a B from today, so now 9 runs are regularly covered by Bs on weekdays.
  S100S28 Station Master

Confirmed run 63 was a B from today, so now 9 runs are regularly covered by Bs on weekdays.
Airvan99
Due to mechanical issue, run 63 was run by an S set instead of a B set. S139+S145 for today.

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