State Govt's Regional Rail Revival

 
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Just scrolling through the Wimmera MailTimes, pages from a few day's ago and spotted, the following.

Region gains in rail deal

Commuters in Ararat and Maryborough are the big winners from a $39 million investment in the Ballarat train line upgrade unveiled on Friday.

The additional funding, secured from the federal government, will boost stabling near Ararat station which will allow extra services to run.


Stage two of the Ballarat line upgrade will enable more frequent and reliable services to Ararat and Maryborough, with signalling and track improvements as well as stabling facilities at Ararat to provide for extra services.

http://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/5299567/region-gains-in-rail-deal/?cs=241

The above cut from the article, in the Wimmera MailTimes.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Yeah right.  Its more like to fund the stouch over the bill for the triangle and interface with ARTC.  Also hid the cost overruns for the Murray Basin project.

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  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
There seems to be quite a bit of work, being done regionally ATM, with the MBRP, works on the Toc line, reinstating the fire damage on the Warrnambool line and probably other as well.

Lots of man/woman/person power, as well as machinery, if their was this much activity, all year, every year, the rail system would be more than likely, in very good shape.

It neeearly makes you want to have election ( yes Valvegear, I said election, after your shenanigans, yesterday ) every year Razz

BigShunter.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Very Happy
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Ararat and Ballarat train lines face closures and replacement coaches
The Ararat Train line will soon be shuttered for more than a week, as major upgrades across the Ballarat line continue.

Coaches will replace trains between Southern Cross Station and Ballarat, then Wendouree and Ararat from April 28 to May 1. Maryborough trains will connect with coaches at Ballarat Station.

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/5356462/commuter-pain-to-come-with-ararat-line-closed-for-more-than-a-week/?cs=225


Cut from the Wimmera MailTimes.

Is this thread the right one, there appears to be numerous, this could be placed in.

BigShunter.

shuttered ? Shocked Mike ?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Cut from the Wimmera MailTimes.

Is this thread the right one, there appears to be numerous, this could be placed in.

BigShunter.

shuttered ? Shocked Mike ?
BigShunter
I don't know about you but I think installing shutters along that length of line is a TOTAL WASTE of taxpayer's money!

What is the point of shuttering the line? Is it simply so that pax cannot see the construction workers leaning on their shovels?

OUTRAGED!

BG
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Cut from the Wimmera MailTimes.

Is this thread the right one, there appears to be numerous, this could be placed in.

BigShunter.

shuttered ? Shocked Mike ?
I don't know about you but I think installing shutters along that length of line is a TOTAL WASTE of taxpayer's money!

What is the point of shuttering the line? Is it simply so that pax cannot see the construction workers leaning on their shovels?

OUTRAGED!

BG
BrentonGolding

As well as a mobil phone welded to the side of their head !

BigShunter.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Dear 'outraged' if Castlemaine.

The shutters are being installed parallel to the main line so that workers can construct new track without trains having to observe speed restrictions the shutters are the demarcation between work and Mainline operation.

Mike.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Dear 'outraged' if Castlemaine.

The shutters are being installed parallel to the main line so that workers can construct new track without trains having to observe speed restrictions the shutters are the demarcation between work and Mainline operation.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Okay. Stepping away slowly.......

That's the last time I channel my inner Casper Jonquil.......

BG
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Avon River Bridge Out To Market
I’m sure there was another thread about this bridge but I’m blowed if I can find it.

Anyway, construction to start next year for 2021 opening.

There is the slight complication of a state election, however...
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Update on the Victorian Regional Rail Revival
Completion dates:
Ballarat 2019
Warrnambool 2020
Geelong/Bendigo 2021
Gippsland 2022

Initial Geelong works will be second platform at Waurn Ponds, “full duplication” South Geelong to Waurn Ponds has been assessed as the best option and will be delivered separately if the feds are on board.

And what do you know - that takes us right up to the next election!
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
You old cynic you.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Echuca line upgrade is scheduled to be complete by early-2020, signalling upgrade around Bendigo a year later.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Mildura line 'Downgrade'?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

It’s occurred to me that the timeframes announced today are quite interesting.

If work rolled straight off the Ballarat job into Melton sparking, and off the Geelong job into Wyndham Vale sparking and connection to Werribee, then the whole lot would be ready to run on Metro Tunnel day one.

I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but it does make you wonder if RPV might have a bit of a clue after all.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Feds have released the cash for their half of the NE upgrade. Monash have also independently ticked off the scope of works so there should be some action soon. Time for a new NE Upgrade thread?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Feds have released the cash for their half of the NE upgrade. Monash have also independently ticked off the scope of works so there should be some action soon. Time for a new NE Upgrade thread?
potatoinmymouth
Off ya go then!

BG
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs
I recall there was some problen with the Narracan Creek Bridge, hearsay I know but I understood that piles were sunk and dissappeared.
I was told the existing bridge was built on pontoons but I don’t think that is the case now.
there are fenced in holes on both sides of the creek but I don’t know if that was the removal of the old 2nd bridge or the failed pile attempt.
I would have loved to have seen the VR correspondence, “It costs too much, leave it for now.”
Bunyip and Longwarry were manned for years just to handle the manual staff.
  cageyr Locomotive Fireman

I recall there was some problen with the Narracan Creek Bridge, hearsay I know but I understood that piles were sunk and dissappeared.
I was told the existing bridge was built on pontoons but I don’t think that is the case now.
there are fenced in holes on both sides of the creek but I don’t know if that was the removal of the old 2nd bridge or the failed pile attempt.
I would have loved to have seen the VR correspondence, “It costs too much, leave it for now.”
Bunyip and Longwarry were manned for years just to handle the manual staff.
Daryl
Daryl, I believe that you may be referring to the Bunyip River bridge between Bunyip and Longwarry, not Narracan Creek bridge which is on the down side of Moe.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Update on the Victorian Regional Rail Revival
Completion dates:
Ballarat 2019
Warrnambool 2020
Geelong/Bendigo 2021
Gippsland 2022

Initial Geelong works will be second platform at Waurn Ponds, “full duplication” South Geelong to Waurn Ponds has been assessed as the best option and will be delivered separately if the feds are on board.

And what do you know - that takes us right up to the next election!
potatoinmymouth
it might sound selfish, but I'm disappointed that the completion of the Gippsland upgrades are at the bottom of the list. I can only hope that the relatively simple Bunyip - Longwarry duplication sub-project is prioritised over the rest of the upgrades. Some conjecture exists that the entire timetable is based on crossing times allocated to the duplicated sections either side; a late runner having to presently wait either side of the single track section will have a major knock-on effect for every subsequent service that that train forms.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

it might sound selfish, but I'm disappointed that the completion of the Gippsland upgrades are at the bottom of the list. I can only hope that the relatively simple Bunyip - Longwarry duplication sub-project is prioritised over the rest of the upgrades. Some conjecture exists that the entire timetable is based on crossing times allocated to the duplicated sections either side; a late runner having to presently wait either side of the single track section will have a major knock-on effect for every subsequent service that that train forms.
DirtyBallast

Yes, the particularly strange part is that it’s not the Avon River bridge holding things up either - that’s due to be finished in “early 2021”.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Update on the Victorian Regional Rail Revival
Completion dates:
Ballarat 2019
Warrnambool 2020
Geelong/Bendigo 2021
Gippsland 2022

Initial Geelong works will be second platform at Waurn Ponds, “full duplication” South Geelong to Waurn Ponds has been assessed as the best option and will be delivered separately if the feds are on board.

And what do you know - that takes us right up to the next election!
it might sound selfish, but I'm disappointed that the completion of the Gippsland upgrades are at the bottom of the list. I can only hope that the relatively simple Bunyip - Longwarry duplication sub-project is prioritised over the rest of the upgrades. Some conjecture exists that the entire timetable is based on crossing times allocated to the duplicated sections either side; a late runner having to presently wait either side of the single track section will have a major knock-on effect for every subsequent service that that train forms.
DirtyBallast
Andrews committed to South Geelong -  Waurn Ponds duplication before 11/18 eelction.  Will be complete by late 2023 includes two grade seps at Wood St South Geelong and at Torquay Rd Grovedale.  Estiamed cost now $  700m . Feds have only kicked in a piddling $ 150m so far, but no doubt that will be upped once we get a Federal Labour Government ensuring Victoria gets its fair share of the bikkie barrell for capex .
  mike49 Station Master

$700 million to duplicate the line from South Geelong to Waurn Ponds doesn't seem like great value for money to me & I am not surprised that Infrastructure Australia didn't rate it as a priority project.

It does nothing to address capacity issues between Geelong & Melbourne where the real problem is & the single track bottleneck through the tunnel between Geelong & South Geelong remains.

I would rather see the money spent on a platform lengthening project to enable longer trains to run on the Geelong line.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

It does nothing to address capacity issues between Geelong & Melbourne where the real problem is & the single track bottleneck through the tunnel between Geelong & South Geelong remains.
mike49

It does have good benefits for reliability and punctuality though as it means trains are less likely to be terminated short of the tunnel (finding paths on a short single line sections is relatively easy when it’s double track beyond on both sides). And being able to get consistent operation to the southern suburbs of Geelong is good for more consistent stopping patterns and so on. An even 10 minute peak frequency through the whole Geelong area isn’t possible now but will be after this project.

As @kuldalai has pointed out above, the big buck are in the grade separations, but I think they are very worthwhile projects (particularly the Surf Coast Highway, which is crazy busy in the morning peak).

The other thing is that the capacity issue is well on its way to being solved on the up side of Geelong, and they are talking about 9 car sets, so it’s not as if this project and others are mutually exclusive.
  mike49 Station Master

I am not convinced that a reliable & even 10 minute peak frequency will be possible while the single track bottleneck between Geelong & South Geelong remains.

How is the capacity issue between Geelong & Melbourne being resolved? There has been talk of running 9 car trains for a long time but nothing has actually happened.

The inability to run trains of more than 6 cars (HCMT excepted when they enter service) is a major capacity constraint on both the suburban & interurban network & hasn't really been addressed by any government in the past decade.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Claering up two myths :

-  The single track section section Geelong - South Geelong is NOT the issue it is only 3 mins run time .
The service reliability issue is the lack of double track between South Geelong and Waurn Ponds .  The round trip run time Geelong - Ponds including tight turnaround is 40 minutes, so existing off peak pattern dicates every 40 to the Ponds and every 20 to South Geelong .  Works pretty well, but very tight at peak times with trains fleeting through to South Geelong, Ponds & Marshall .

- The duplication cost is more like $ 300m , and the grade seps add another $ 400m . Wood St is to grade separated probably as that route offers the only East/West route across Geelong for truck traffic .  Surf Coast Highway is major divided road with huge traffic volume .


-  9 car VL trains will not happen fast for three reasons  1.  Extremely expensive capex wise and opex wise  2. Would actually reduce peak hour train throughput at Southern Cross and 3 . number of operational issues associated with platform extensions to 9 cars and signals etc . (9 car VL trains would take up all of plats 2, 3, 7 or 8 or 15/16 and reduce remaining platform faces available to other train sizes.)

However 7 car VL sets to both Geelong and Ballarat would be easy .  Simply buy 28 -  30  trailer cars and insert into 28 - 30 of the 88 VL set fleet .  Then one can run VL train sizes of  3, 4, 6, 7 or 8 cars .  By simply acquiring 28 - 30 VL trailer cars to make a mix of 3 and 4 car sets the peak hour capacity over 1530 - 1830 on both Geelong and Ballarat can be increased  by over 30% for marginal extra opex at lowest capital cost per extra seat .  The issue now is LONGER  V/Locity trains, not more 3 car VL trains .

88 VL total train sets is more than enough to operate all VLP train services . In fact with short term electrification to both Wyndham Vale and Melton there will be VL 3 car sets released for use elsewhere .

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