New metro rail line to Sydney's south-east in the pipeline

 

News article: New metro rail line to Sydney's south-east in the pipeline

A new rail line to Malabar in Sydney's south-east via Randwick or to Miranda in the Sutherland Shire via Sydney Airport are options the state's top transport officials have been canvassing behind closed doors.

  Transtopic Chief Train Controller

This is actually nothing new.  It's just a pre-election regurgitation of proposals which have been known for some time.  They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with this now. In any event, what about building new rail lines into areas not currently serviced by rail, rather than duplicating or cannibalising existing lines?

New metro rail line to Sydney's south-east in the pipeline

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

This is actually nothing new.  It's just a pre-election regurgitation of proposals which have been known for some time.  They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with this now. In any event, what about building new rail lines into areas not currently serviced by rail, rather than duplicating or cannibalising existing lines?

New metro rail line to Sydney's south-east in the pipeline
Transtopic

What new areas do you have in mind? The northern beaches and the maroubra area is the only place without a heavy rail line that has a population base. Both of those extensions make sense to me.
  Transtopic Chief Train Controller

This is actually nothing new.  It's just a pre-election regurgitation of proposals which have been known for some time.  They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with this now. In any event, what about building new rail lines into areas not currently serviced by rail, rather than duplicating or cannibalising existing lines?

New metro rail line to Sydney's south-east in the pipeline

What new areas do you have in mind? The northern beaches and the maroubra area is the only place without a heavy rail line that has a population base. Both of those extensions make sense to me.
simstrain
Exactly that.  I've suggested elsewhere that planning for a south-east rail link to the Maroubra area should also consider extending the Eastern Suburbs Railway from Bondi Junction to Maroubra Junction via Randwick as an option alongside possible metro lines.  The ESR is grossly underutilised because of its short length and extending it further to the south to increase its catchment area may be a more economical proposition than a completely new metro line from the CBD.  A possible branch to North Bondi via Bondi Beach in addition is also an option.  It shouldn't be discounted just because it's part of the existing Sydney Trains' network, which will still need extension and upgrading in the future, regardless of metro expansion.

Other possible areas lacking a rail service are the Victoria Rd corridor through Top Ryde, from either Parramatta or Epping, or the Botany Bay corridor via Brighton-le-Sands to Miranda.  The latter is more likely as a possible extension of the metro line from Sydenham if the Bankstown Line metro conversion doesn't proceed, assuming there is a change of government at the forthcoming election.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
This is actually nothing new.  It's just a pre-election regurgitation of proposals which have been known for some time.  They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with this now. In any event, what about building new rail lines into areas not currently serviced by rail, rather than duplicating or cannibalising existing lines?

New metro rail line to Sydney's south-east in the pipeline

What new areas do you have in mind? The northern beaches and the maroubra area is the only place without a heavy rail line that has a population base. Both of those extensions make sense to me.
simstrain
Considering the Newcastle river is forced into a tight left hand turn just before the city and looking at the satellite photo and from what i remember of the area I suspect this is because of the area where the railway is built on is mostly sandstone or not far below as is the bulk of the peninsula so sinking the railway I think was only lacking will and motivation, less so cost.

I said before this whole disaster that they could have sunk the last ~2km of the line and terminated at a new station just East of Civic with a much smaller foot print that Newcastle station,
ie two platforms, arrivals and departures with a small holding yard to the east of the station.
Previous stations of Civic and Newcastle closed.
On top of new station would have been the bus interchange.
Wickham would have been partly sunk further west than previous location to enable that problematic LX to be converted to a bridge.
Would have all been cheaper than this combined cluster.

Expansion of the LR will be a challenge if you want to have it actually used.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
This is actually nothing new.  It's just a pre-election regurgitation of proposals which have been known for some time.  They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with this now. In any event, what about building new rail lines into areas not currently serviced by rail, rather than duplicating or cannibalising existing lines?

New metro rail line to Sydney's south-east in the pipeline

What new areas do you have in mind? The northern beaches and the maroubra area is the only place without a heavy rail line that has a population base. Both of those extensions make sense to me.
simstrain
There are numerous areas around Sydney with rail gaps, Eastern suburbs, SE suburbs, Inner NW, Nth Beaches to name a few. Sydney Trains own data shows that beyond 3km from the nearest railway station and the railway may as well not exist.
  kitchgp Deputy Commissioner

Considering the Newcastle river is forced into a tight left hand turn just before the city and looking at the satellite photo and from what i remember of the area I suspect this is because of the area where the railway is built on is mostly sandstone or not far below as is the bulk of the peninsula so sinking the railway I think was only lacking will and motivation, less so cost.

I said before this whole disaster that they could have sunk the last ~2km of the line and terminated at a new station just East of Civic with a much smaller foot print that Newcastle station,
ie two platforms, arrivals and departures with a small holding yard to the east of the station.
Previous stations of Civic and Newcastle closed.
On top of new station would have been the bus interchange.
Wickham would have been partly sunk further west than previous location to enable that problematic LX to be converted to a bridge.
Would have all been cheaper than this combined cluster.

Expansion of the LR will be a challenge if you want to have it actually used.
RTT_Rules
 

Wrong Forum. Hunter River??
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
 

Wrong Forum. Hunter River??
kitchgp
Yep, I grew up nearby, I should have known better, especially when I was looking at the Google Maps with HUNTER RIVER written on not once, but four times.

Embarassed
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

besides we are talking sydney and not newcastle RTT. So aside from what I mentioned what other areas that need rail that do not have rail should get a new rail line?
  kitchgp Deputy Commissioner

It's a reply that should have been in the 'These bastards are just dragging the chain - Newcastle Light Rail' thread, ie posted in the wrong thread. There are existing threads on the subject in the 'Trams and Light Rail' forum.
  doridori Chief Commissioner

I personally rather see investment in reopening mothballed country lines to encourage country population growth.

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