Great Southern Rail to launch Adelaide-Brisbane service

 
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
Probably worth noting that the Indian Pacific is split over two platforms at Central Station in Sydney...
railblogger
In the days of loco hauled Newcastle Flyers loco changes were made at Gosford on all services and the passengers were none the wiser, may, be the crews were better trained, I remember one night in pouring rain we got a somewhat temperamental pig instead of the normal 38 and on coupling up it hit a bit hard, when we got to Newcastle the buffet girl came up and commented that we spilt the milk jug but in over four years that I regularly worked on the salaried roster that was the only complaint I heard.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There are just so many solutions for problems that don't exist in the rail industry today.
I don't know what the other states are like but Victoria excels with so many more solutions to non-existent problems that it's not funny.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
https://wongm.com/2015/10/vline-coupling-all-change-nanny-state/
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
https://wongm.com/2015/10/vline-coupling-all-change-nanny-state/
railblogger
Says it all.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
An artist's impression!

  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
An artist's impression!

Graham4405
Is there a proposal to change the dynamics of space along with the introduction of this train?  And to have gargantuan grape vines towering over it too?

Sorry, looks nice but those things are making it difficult for my mind to accept!
  GS4 Train Controller

An artist's impression!

Is there a proposal to change the dynamics of space along with the introduction of this train?  And to have gargantuan grape vines towering over it too?

Sorry, looks nice but those things are making it difficult for my mind to accept!
james.au
I've been on the Indian Pacific and have booked for the Great Southern in December 2019 and I can assure you those grapes will be quite necessary and the bigger the better , , , Moscato I hope.
  GS4 Train Controller

Going by GSR's web site the Great Southern will be an Orange and White paint scheme , I guess if they do get locos painted it may be NR84 and NR85.  At a distance they could look like G&W's locos.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

For those who haven't seen them yet, Journey Beyond has published the itineraries and packages for the Great Southern. Link

Adelaide departure is 9am on the Friday, Brisbane arrival 4:20pm Sunday. Brisbane departure is 10:15am Monday, Adelaide arrival 9:30am Thursday.

Nothing mentioned at all about doing shorter sectors and the only time you see 'Melbourne' or 'Sydney' on the page is in greyed out text with the red line of the train passing well clear of both of them.

I wonder if it's possible that the train may actually go via Parkes rather than Sydney?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
For those who haven't seen them yet, Journey Beyond has published the itineraries and packages for the Great Southern. Link

Adelaide departure is 9am on the Friday, Brisbane arrival 4:20pm Sunday. Brisbane departure is 10:15am Monday, Adelaide arrival 9:30am Thursday.

Nothing mentioned at all about doing shorter sectors and the only time you see 'Melbourne' or 'Sydney' on the page is in greyed out text with the red line of the train passing well clear of both of them.

I wonder if it's possible that the train may actually go via Parkes rather than Sydney?
justapassenger
A bit of a hike from Parkes to The Grampians or Canberra Razz

https://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/trains/great-southern#itinerary
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Looks like a lot of bussing. Is there any train travel at all Laughing
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Took around 30 cars on a long overland more than once at AFL finals time.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Took around 30 cars on a long overland more than once at AFL finals time.
freightgate
Meaning? Point? Relevance?

BG
  GS4 Train Controller

What the hell is "AFL"  ??
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Took around 30 cars on a long overland more than once at AFL finals time.
freightgate

You don't pay for the number of words that are posted. If a post is worth posting, it's worth including details.

You took Question

Does that mean you drove the train or you were a pax...etc.

Mike.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

What the hell is "AFL"  ??
GS4
You mean VFL.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Looks like a lot of bussing. Is there any train travel at all Laughing
apw5910
Not much bus in the scheme of things.

Grampians are about 30 km from the tracks, 12 Apostles (or is that 7 ?) about 80 km.

The trick is where to park the train whilst the passengers are off on their 1/2 day adventure.

Probable itinerary
East to West: de-train at Stawell and bus to the grampians. Train continues to Maroona and parks in the siding until pax return.
West to East: de-train at Lismore and bus to the coast. Train continues to Maroona and parks.

Maroona has the advantage that if the train is too long for siding or gets in the way of regular services, the train can be shunted off to the Portland line to while it's time until services resume.

All up it's a clever use of the lines available.

PS: Melbourne is skipped in both directions.
It will be in the middle of the night anyway, which is just as well. Shuffling around Newport and Tottenham is not a scenic view except for us rail nerds.

cheers
John
  Travelling Hooker Locomotive Fireman

Location: Follows the weather up and down the coast
A bit weird that they are skipping Melbourne

Each to their own but I'd rather a couple of hours slamming cocktails and snacks at Arbory Afloat and carrying on about how great Melbourne is and after four margaritas was that a dolphin I just saw going upstream to Richmond than sitting on a bus from Stawell to Halls Gap

I can understand skipping Sydney because Sydney is a pain in the butt in general these days but there's a lot going on within 15 minutes from Southern Cross
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Looks like a lot of bussing. Is there any train travel at all Laughing
Not much bus in the scheme of things.

Grampians are about 30 km from the tracks, 12 Apostles (or is that 7 ?) about 80 km.

The trick is where to park the train whilst the passengers are off on their 1/2 day adventure.

Probable itinerary
East to West: de-train at Stawell and bus to the grampians. Train continues to Maroona and parks in the siding until pax return.
West to East: de-train at Lismore and bus to the coast. Train continues to Maroona and parks.

Maroona has the advantage that if the train is too long for siding or gets in the way of regular services, the train can be shunted off to the Portland line to while it's time until services resume.

All up it's a clever use of the lines available.

PS: Melbourne is skipped in both directions.
It will be in the middle of the night anyway, which is just as well. Shuffling around Newport and Tottenham is not a scenic view except for us rail nerds.

cheers
John
justarider
Maroona would need a platform upgrade, its in no fit state to handle passenger trains. Better off using Ararat Platform for this.

Safeworking would be an issue for Maroona to get shunted off to the Portland Line. I'm not sure the Intermodal guys at Melbourne or Dimboola have Train Order Qualification. If the Wheat is running, using the Portland line is a bad idea. Better off either stowing at Pyrenees or in Ararat Yard. Or even taking the train through to North Shore and using the Platform there coming back from the Coast.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
You may ask "why Maroona".

The typical length for Indian Pacific  and Ghan is 774 meter.
The length of Ararat siding is less than 500, Maroona is 838.

None of the platforms along the line are long enough.
GSR would do as usual with passegers get on/off in the middle of a paddock.

For Maroona that means smooth out the gravel so it's comfortable for both passengers and the busses.
Same deal for Stawell and Lismore (or whichever thereabouts).

Also, as a high paying customer, I would not be impressed if the "Grampians Tour" was just a trip to Halls Gap and then off to Ararat.
I would want to see a lot more of the park, maybe exit lot further south.

Shunting onto the Portland line is only a Plan B, if the train parked is in the way.
Either because a super long configuration ( 800+) can't fit, or the mainline is so busy that Marooda must be used as a passing loop.
Neither is likely, but GSR do need contingency plans.
If that desperate, then suitable staff would be brought in to manage the train, and shunt back/ forth as needed to keep all lines clear.

North Geelong ? Don't think exrta couple of hours on bus is what the customer would put up with and not complain loud and wide.

It is mere speculation on my part, being the more likely scenarios to minimise unneccessary bus commuting, and maximise the tourist experience.

Cheers
John
  kitchgp Deputy Commissioner

Canberra and the Great Ocean Road get a mention. With only 214 guests, 4 coaches would probably be enough for any busing.
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
You may ask "why Maroona".

The typical length for Indian Pacific  and Ghan is 774 meter.
The length of Ararat siding is less than 500, Maroona is 838.

None of the platforms along the line are long enough.
GSR would do as usual with passegers get on/off in the middle of a paddock.

For Maroona that means smooth out the gravel so it's comfortable for both passengers and the busses.
Same deal for Stawell and Lismore (or whichever thereabouts).

Also, as a high paying customer, I would not be impressed if the "Grampians Tour" was just a trip to Halls Gap and then off to Ararat.
I would want to see a lot more of the park, maybe exit lot further south.

Shunting onto the Portland line is only a Plan B, if the train parked is in the way.
Either because a super long configuration ( 800+) can't fit, or the mainline is so busy that Marooda must be used as a passing loop.
Neither is likely, but GSR do need contingency plans.
If that desperate, then suitable staff would be brought in to manage the train, and shunt back/ forth as needed to keep all lines clear.

North Geelong ? Don't think exrta couple of hours on bus is what the customer would put up with and not complain loud and wide.

It is mere speculation on my part, being the more likely scenarios to minimise unneccessary bus commuting, and maximise the tourist experience.

Cheers
John
justarider

I can't see Maroona being used and there's no way the Portland line would be used. My tip is pax off at Stawell. Train waits at Great Western or Pyrenees. Pax back on at Ararat.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Where would the best location be for the train to park and let passengers on and off?  Ararat/Stawell?

The train is likely to be what length? 20 coaches?
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Where would the best location be for the train to park and let passengers on and off?  Ararat/Stawell?

The train is likely to be what length? 20 coaches?
bevans
Either would be suitable but Stawell is closer to the Grampians. Train length is irrelevant as the train can do multiple stops if required.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Where would the best location be for the train to park and let passengers on and off?  Ararat/Stawell?

The train is likely to be what length? 20 coaches?
Either would be suitable but Stawell is closer to the Grampians. Train length is irrelevant as the train can do multiple stops if required.
Fatty
The IP makes a couple of stops at Mt Victoria every Wednesday to let off passengers for the Blue Mountains tour. No big deal.

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