Townsville Floods 2019

 
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

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  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Check this time lapse of the water rise:


[color=#0000ff]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-07/time-lapse-images-show-dramatic-flood-rise-north-west-qld/10791932[/color]
locojoe67

Wow, that's a lot of water!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Check this time lapse of the water rise:


[color=#0000ff]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-07/time-lapse-images-show-dramatic-flood-rise-north-west-qld/10791932[/color]
locojoe67

That's simply astounding Surprised

When I was out at Julia Ck in October the whole region was in the middle of a drought, de-stocked and not a blade of green grass to be seen.

Now, the water is 10' deep and virtually submerged the cam taking the time lapse footage...pity the water is all running out to the Gulf and not south along the Thomson or the Darling.

Mike.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

There will be huge amounts of water flowing into the Diamanina River and on into the Coopers Creek catchments from this rain. Expect an epic Lake Eyre filling event later this year. The Flinders River flood into the Gulf region has now broken all records and the Townsville flooding is now being described as a 1 in 2000 year flooding event.

Reports of 300,000 cattle have drowned or died of pneumonia from this flood will also impact cattle traffic on rail this year, this coming after early estimates for a good year for northern cattle on rail.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I haven't seen any reports of rainfall in the Diamantina catchment...are you sure it's such a big event there Question

Mike.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

The Thompson and Coopers Creek both have flood flows at the moment. Winton and surrounding areas were flooded with 200 to 300mm a few days ago. The upper reaches of the Thompson has been receiving some of the rain that has been over the neighbouring Flinders catchment.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The Thompson and Coopers Creek both have flood flows at the moment. Winton and surrounding areas were flooded with 200 to 300mm a few days ago. The upper reaches of the Thompson has been receiving some of the rain that has been over the neighbouring Flinders catchment.
Sulla1

OK...clearly a disaster Exclamation

ABC news in Victoria had the town of Winton surrounded by a sea of floodwater and also highlighted the devastation of the local cattle industry right up to Cloncurry area.

The QR timelapse footage, the undermined minerals train and a quick grab from McKinlay Shire mayor was part of the report. Really terrible news for the cow cockies who've endured years of drought...now unprecedented floods Exclamation

Really....word fail me just how bad I feel for their plight... Sad

The only tiny glimmer in this page is there's no 'p' in Thomson.

Mike.
  Travelling Hooker Locomotive Fireman

Location: Follows the weather up and down the coast
And every creek a banker ran
And dams filled overtop,
We’ll all be ruined, said Hanrahan
If this rain doesn’t stop
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I haven't seen any reports of rainfall in the Diamantina catchment...are you sure it's such a big event there Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
Mike and or others, who may not be familiar, click on the colored triangles and it tells you the stream name and the depth of it.

http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/flood/west.shtml

site from, BOM.

There certainly is going to be a huge amount of water heading for Lake Eyre, going to be interesting, watching, what unfolds.

Coopers Creek and the Diamantina, in the South West.

BigShunter.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

There are reports more than 250km of the 1000km long Mt Isa Line (GNR) is underwater between Hughenden and Cloncurry. River levels are beginning to fall. In Townsville, the North Coast Line is red-boarded between Queens Road (Railway Estate) to Stuart. It is now eight days since a train has been able to run between Stuart and Townsville.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A friend in Townsville says it it grave and their are now sightings of crocs in the Townsville area probably washed around in the flood waters.

The Mount Isa line is going to need some repari work by the sounds of it.
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
Looks like a rebuild of the northern side of Rooney's Bridge needed.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

A friend in Townsville says it it grave and their are now sightings of crocs in the Townsville area probably washed around in the flood waters.

The Mount Isa line is going to need some repari work by the sounds of it.
bevans
Maybe the crocs can eat all the dead cattle.
  EMBaldwin Chief Commissioner

Location: Amongst the Cane Fields
There's been no trains on the Newlands system since last Thurs/Fri (a bit over a week ago)
  CYNIC Station Master

Looks like the NCL open to Stuart at least. 2807 sighted in Ayr heading south. Heard other trains this morning but this one was only one managed to see.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

2845 with a ballast train on the Up line was slowly pushing back from Cluden to the Ross River this morning to begin filling holes. Some culverts have had wooden pigsties built under the concrete sleepers to level off the track between Oonoonba and the Ross River. Intermodal trains are now arriving from the south to PN's Partington terminal and Linfox's Stuart terminal, the tracks north and west of there remain closed.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
A friend in Townsville says it it grave and their are now sightings of crocs in the Townsville area probably washed around in the flood waters.

The Mount Isa line is going to need some repari work by the sounds of it.
Maybe the crocs can eat all the dead cattle.
nswtrains
They won't touch it unless its freshly dead. However the sharks might have a nice meal if its up in the salt water.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE

The QR timelapse footage, the undermined minerals train

Mike.
The Vinelander
Looking at photos, huge amount of water.

Just think they left that train there because they thought it would be safe

However reading the comments in the press about the fact a few wagon, ok many of the wagons on the train have rolled over and there are "concerns" about pollution from the concentrate, which to be fair you can see being washed away in the photo. But, look at the volume of water......the train is not carrying a man made chemical, its a mineral from the ground, concentrated by a factor of 50 to 100:1.  The most toxic thing of concern on the train is likely the hydraulic oil, but again the dilution effect is enormous and I think the Emergency services have bigger issues to worry about. Like saving people and potentially cattle.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

PN's 8317 is the drowned mid-train 83 class on the derailed Glencroe service. On its side in six or seven feet of water for several days.
  Bethungra Train Controller

PN's 8317 is the drowned mid-train 83 class on the derailed Glencroe service. On its side in six or seven feet of water for several days.
Sulla1

Could still be weeks before the line is reopened?

Who will get hit the hardest in terms of lost traffic over the period?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
PN's 8317 is the drowned mid-train 83 class on the derailed Glencroe service. On its side in six or seven feet of water for several days.
Sulla1
I guess it is more likely that the track subsided underneath it due to water action instead of the train being pushed over by water correct?  Perhaps the length of track that this happened on was worn away?  It would be interesting from a fluid dynamics perspective to know if the presence of the train had any impact on track undermining?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Aurizon remains by far the biggest tonnage hauler on the Mt Isa Line, thanks mostly to the Incitec Pivot contract that is over 2.25-million tonnes of fertilizer and sulphuric acid. However PN has now lost its only concentrate set, plus a loco, so PN will probably be the hardest hit in recovery.

The PN train has mostly overturned due to the ballast washing out under the train I would say, rather than just the force of the water flow -  although the speed and direction of the water would have directed which way the rollingstock fell.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
@Sulla1 re IncitecPivot - what do you know about their supply chain? Where does the fertilizer go?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Generally for export as far as I know. Most,  if not all, leaves in bulk carriers from the Townsville Port. Some may be distributed to southern ports, but I believe most heads to India and the Pacific Rim.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

PN's 8317 is the drowned mid-train 83 class on the derailed Glencroe service. On its side in six or seven feet of water for several days.
I guess it is more likely that the track subsided underneath it due to water action instead of the train being pushed over by water correct?
james.au
I'd guess a combination of the two acting together.

Perhaps the length of track that this happened on was worn away?  It would be interesting from a fluid dynamics perspective to know if the presence of the train had any impact on track undermining?
james.au
The weight of the train is quite likely to have affected the track.

You might remember the Edith River derailment in late 2011, where the track on the bridge approach was undermined by the floodwaters and then only collapsed once the train got onto it. That was a very lucky escape for the crew as the locos got across courtesy of the couplings breaking apart, while the first vehicle to end up off the side of the bridge (and wrapped around one of the piers!) was the empty crew van.

In that instance, suspending trains earlier and waiting for the river to go down would have led to no spans of the bridge being trashed by the train and the track on the approach embankment being either undamaged or needing only repairs in place.

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