Re Opening & Upgrading Maryborough - Avoca - Ararat

 
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The SA Track and Signal website Ararat diagram shows the triangle as complete. The only new signal shown is a Home on the Maryborough line. There is no associated repeater, unlike the BG Ballarat line. The signal is greyed out, perhaps indicating it was there previously (unlikely) or yet to be installed. Normal Speed is fixed at red and Medium Speed has red and green aspects, presumably because there are only divergences, left and right. There is a “CTC” board just past the signal, on the Maryborough – Maroona leg of the triangle. The “End CTC” board for the Maryborough line is at the Home signal on the Maroona line.

All the other signalling appears to be as it was prior to installation of the triangle, eg there is no signal between the Pryrenees Loop Departure Home signals and the original diamond crossing. The passage through Ararat yard arrangements for westbound trains from Maryborough appear similar.

http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR133.pdf

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  PE2010 Station Master

Location: Newcastle
Not an expert in signal signage but there are a few stop signs on the diagram.
Does that mean the junction is not fully signalised or is the intention to use manual signalling for some moves at this junction ?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Coming off the Maryborough line for the Portland/Melbourne line first sign states to obtain permission from V/Line control and then the second sign states to obtain permission from ARTC Control and Ararat Yard.



I recall with the single line at North Geelong C to Gheringhap (gauge splitter) for BG trains heading west North Geelong C would obtain permission from the ARTC signaller Mile End for the section when heading to Ballarat.  (that is from memory anyhow)

The above required a channel change on the radio or is it electronically sought?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Also it would appear that signal 265/14 is shown as not commissioned, so that is the current state (clear as mud).
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Nothing says that's the final diagram, IIRC there is more signalling etc to be done during February.

SA Track and Signal obviously has good sources, but I doubt that he puts things up until they are actually there.

So sit and wait, see what gives over the next few weeks.

EDIT - and ARTC have not yet updated their diagrams - the Triangle does not yet show.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Nothing says that's the final diagram, IIRC there is more signalling etc to be done during February.

SA Track and Signal obviously has good sources, but I doubt that he puts things up until they are actually there.

So sit and wait, see what gives over the next few weeks.

EDIT - and ARTC have not yet updated their diagrams - the Triangle does not yet show.
mikesyd
if as it is suspected the signaling is to be done later in the month, ARTC may not show the loop/triangle until its available for use. Given the marybough line is victrack/vline controlled, one would have have to double check the interface point i guess as well.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Nothing says that's the final diagram, IIRC there is more signalling etc to be done during February.

SA Track and Signal obviously has good sources, but I doubt that he puts things up until they are actually there.

So sit and wait, see what gives over the next few weeks.

EDIT - and ARTC have not yet updated their diagrams - the Triangle does not yet show.
if as it is suspected the signaling is to be done later in the month, ARTC may not show the loop/triangle until its available for use. Given the marybough line is victrack/vline controlled, one would have have to double check the interface point i guess as well.
Galron
Would be very wise of them to move that boundary between ARTC and VLine out beyond Grano Street too - wishful thinking maybe.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Works scheduled for this coming Monday to complete the commissioning of the Maryborough Link Line (as it's to be officially known).

Points 11d and 11u will be operated by hand and signalling will be manual.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Works scheduled for this coming Monday to complete the commissioning of the Maryborough Link Line (as it's to be officially known).

Points 11d and 11u will be operated by hand and signalling will be manual.
potatoinmymouth
The Link Line may be commissioned, but surely (or hopefully) there is still signalling works to be done.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The Link Line may be commissioned, but surely (or hopefully) there is still signalling works to be done.
duttonbay

265/14 certainly won't be commissioned for opening, so make of that what you will.

I'm puzzled about the urgency of commissioning it now without all the signalling in place. As far as I know the only traffic is the thrice-weekly PN fruity? Unless ARTC were getting narky about having the mainline tied up for hours on end for that to reverse at Ararat Yard.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The Link Line may be commissioned, but surely (or hopefully) there is still signalling works to be done.

265/14 certainly won't be commissioned for opening, so make of that what you will.

I'm puzzled about the urgency of commissioning it now without all the signalling in place. As far as I know the only traffic is the thrice-weekly PN fruity? Unless ARTC were getting narky about having the mainline tied up for hours on end for that to reverse at Ararat Yard.
potatoinmymouth
I went through Ararat on Monday and there is no signal visible from Grano St when looking towards Maryborough - so I suspect the diagram is a 'planned signal' but yet to be installed.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

No doubt just an interim arrangement so Minister can announce the new link is open as promised by February - albeit NOT in its final form .

Remember 12 months ago it was announced as opened between Ararat and Maryborough but trains were operating at 20kmh for months under Occo conditions .

There are always delays with signalling as always a world shortage of signal design engineers, and therea are always delays in acquiring the equipment .

Add to all this the usual VLP  lack of URGENCY and Gwen Merediths  BLUE HILLs saga of the Murray Basin Standardization gets to air for another year !!!
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

265/14 is shown in grey, not black like the others.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Is the new deviation in operation now?   The Mildura fruity has just arrived in Donald (10am), and was seen through Gheringhap Loop at 1:30 am.   It used to take around 9 and a half hours to get here, but today 8 and a half.   Or is it an increase in line speed?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Is the new deviation in operation now?   The Mildura fruity has just arrived in Donald (10am), and was seen through Gheringhap Loop at 1:30 am.   It used to take around 9 and a half hours to get here, but today 8 and a half.   Or is it an increase in line speed?
Donald

The Maryborough Link Line opened Monday night, though the signalling will be installed/finalised later.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Is the new deviation in operation now?   The Mildura fruity has just arrived in Donald (10am), and was seen through Gheringhap Loop at 1:30 am.   It used to take around 9 and a half hours to get here, but today 8 and a half.   Or is it an increase in line speed?
Donald
Good observation Donald, Greensleeves will be the man with the info there, the other day he mentioned to me, line speed between A'rat and M'brgh was 45+ and was shortly going to be raised to 80. We will wait and see who comes up with the inside info.

BigShunter.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
He beat you to it BS!
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
So the 'fruity' finally took the shortcut, only about 12 months late.

I wonder how long before it gets the big shortcut from Maryborough to Gheringhap via Ballarat.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

So the 'fruity' finally took the shortcut, only about 12 months late.

I wonder how long before it gets the big shortcut from Maryborough to Gheringhap via Ballarat.
mikesyd
Probably in 24 months time if everything comes together.... maybe....
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is the new deviation in operation now?   The Mildura fruity has just arrived in Donald (10am), and was seen through Gheringhap Loop at 1:30 am.   It used to take around 9 and a half hours to get here, but today 8 and a half.   Or is it an increase in line speed?

The Maryborough Link Line opened Monday night, though the signalling will be installed/finalised later.
Greensleeves
The important question - were you able to film it Smile ?  Im assuming you have night gear to allow this Razz!!
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Is the new deviation in operation now?   The Mildura fruity has just arrived in Donald (10am), and was seen through Gheringhap Loop at 1:30 am.   It used to take around 9 and a half hours to get here, but today 8 and a half.   Or is it an increase in line speed?

The Maryborough Link Line opened Monday night, though the signalling will be installed/finalised later.
The important question - were you able to film it Smile ?  Im assuming you have night gear to allow this Razz!!
james.au
Bit far from Bendigo.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Is the new deviation in operation now?   The Mildura fruity has just arrived in Donald (10am), and was seen through Gheringhap Loop at 1:30 am.   It used to take around 9 and a half hours to get here, but today 8 and a half.   Or is it an increase in line speed?

The Maryborough Link Line opened Monday night, though the signalling will be installed/finalised later.
The important question - were you able to film it Smile ?  Im assuming you have night gear to allow this Razz!!
james.au

Nope, it happened in the dead of night and there's no lighting anywhere near it. Besides the area crawling with Vline and ARTC workers.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Is the new deviation in operation now?   The Mildura fruity has just arrived in Donald (10am), and was seen through Gheringhap Loop at 1:30 am.   It used to take around 9 and a half hours to get here, but today 8 and a half.   Or is it an increase in line speed?

The Maryborough Link Line opened Monday night, though the signalling will be installed/finalised later.
The important question - were you able to film it Smile ?  Im assuming you have night gear to allow this Razz!!

Nope, it happened in the dead of night and there's no lighting anywhere near it. Besides the area crawling with Vline and ARTC workers.
Greensleeves
Yeah that too, when I had a look in last Monday they were everywhere, didn't even get out of my car.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is the new deviation in operation now?   The Mildura fruity has just arrived in Donald (10am), and was seen through Gheringhap Loop at 1:30 am.   It used to take around 9 and a half hours to get here, but today 8 and a half.   Or is it an increase in line speed?

The Maryborough Link Line opened Monday night, though the signalling will be installed/finalised later.
The important question - were you able to film it Smile ?  Im assuming you have night gear to allow this Razz!!

Nope, it happened in the dead of night and there's no lighting anywhere near it. Besides the area crawling with Vline and ARTC workers.
Greensleeves
Yep had assumed that.  Though always happy to ask the question to see what the answer is!.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
A question for those in the know, what has to happen with all the level crossing's, when the line speed is increased, does someone have to re calibrate the timing on each one.

The line speed was 25k to start with, then it seems it went to 45-ish and perhaps now 80kph, so the Fruit is quite long at the moment and if the line speed is 80, it's going to fly through a crossing fairly quickly, compared too, if it was doing 25kph.

Does each crossing have a control box and you simply, open the lid and turn a dial to what ever the maximum speed of the line, is ?

BigShunter.

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