Sydney Trains seek lease interest for St James Station tunnel redevelopment

 

News article: Sydney Trains seek lease interest for St James Station tunnel redevelopment

Sydney Trains are seeking expressions of interest from experienced leisure operators to deliver a re-use project in the The Tunnels at St James Station.

  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Would be a dusty and dark place and don't those tunnels flood at times?

Café might work if the accessible form the platform but still who would want to sit underground unless on a hot day?

Sydney Trains seek lease interest for St James Station tunnel redevelopment

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  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Being Heritage listed makes it difficult. Anyone leasing space needs to make a profit.

No parking available, and impossible to provide without digging up half of Hyde Park which would cost a fortune.
Windowless.
Narrow but long.
Really only suited to the passing commuters - fast food, coffee etc - not what the owners are seeking.

The 'flooding' (I think it's called St James lake or similar) is at the Circular Quay end of the dead end uncompleted rail tunnels as they descend, not around the station itself or running lines.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Being Heritage listed makes it difficult. Anyone leasing space needs to make a profit.

No parking available, and impossible to provide without digging up half of Hyde Park which would cost a fortune.
Windowless.
Narrow but long.
Really only suited to the passing commuters - fast food, coffee etc - not what the owners are seeking.

The 'flooding' (I think it's called St James lake or similar) is at the Circular Quay end of the dead end uncompleted rail tunnels as they descend, not around the station itself or running lines.
mikesyd
Anyway else thinking "high end night club"?
  Travelling Hooker Locomotive Fireman

Location: Follows the weather up and down the coast
Those disused tunnels would definitely make a great underground bar but given the current NSW government’s position on nightlife in Sydney I can’t see them being ammendable to that.
  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
Here's an idea.

They are railway tunnels.

Why not use them for trains?

NSW... the muppets are in charge.

marvin
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  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
No parking available, and impossible to provide without digging up half of Hyde Park which would cost a fortune.
mikesyd
Why would you need to provide parking, surely any patrons/customers would be able to get there by train, given that it is at a station!

Ross
  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

Some interesting and diverse ideas here.
Lease holdings will go to the highest bidder.
Transparency is a bigger question.
  kitchgp Deputy Commissioner

Re the article, weren't the tunnels part of the original route for the Eastern Suburbs rail line? Good design for an interchange though.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Too much dust and rail noise for anything useful.
  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
Re the article, weren't the tunnels part of the original route for the Eastern Suburbs rail line? Good design for an interchange though.
kitchgp
Blessed are the thoughtful askers, for they shall shall be rewarded...

Source noted in the graphic: Sydney's Forgotten City Railways - John Oakes.

If the political muppets had not gotten in the way, we would have had a station in the financial district around Hunter and Bent Streets, as well as a station in Pitt Street, not far from Martin Place. (Mind you we would not have had the current Eastern Suburbs Railway... Martin Place Station, etc.).

The "stub tunnels" were to the north and south if the inner platforms at St James.

Note also the eastern proposal (using the southern stubs) from the inner platforms at St James station. Given that Bradfield uses the terms East Inner and East Outer, this suggests a loop of some form, but I am not sure how far out into the eastern suburbs he proposed. Note the proposed underground station at the intersection of Liverpool / College / Wentworth / Oxford streets. What a boon that would have been today.

marvin
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  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Too much dust and rail noise for anything useful.
freightgate
Then if a night club/bar the noise isn't an issue and dust is easily controlled by walling up the tunnel to tracks as they will have to do anyway and maintaining a slight positive pressure on ventilation which they have to do anyway.
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

Here's an idea.

They are railway tunnels.

Why not use them for trains?

NSW... the muppets are in charge.

marvin
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marvin
Yes, but some will never be used for rail as they have been replaced by other options, like ESR line.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Re the article, weren't the tunnels part of the original route for the Eastern Suburbs rail line? Good design for an interchange though.
Blessed are the thoughtful askers, for they shall shall be rewarded...

Source noted in the graphic: Sydney's Forgotten City Railways - John Oakes.

If the political muppets had not gotten in the way, we would have had a station in the financial district around Hunter and Bent Streets, as well as a station in Pitt Street, not far from Martin Place. (Mind you we would not have had the current Eastern Suburbs Railway... Martin Place Station, etc.).

The "stub tunnels" were to the north and south if the inner platforms at St James.

Note also the eastern proposal (using the southern stubs) from the inner platforms at St James station. Given that Bradfield uses the terms East Inner and East Outer, this suggests a loop of some form, but I am not sure how far out into the eastern suburbs he proposed. Note the proposed underground station at the intersection of Liverpool / College / Wentworth / Oxford streets. What a boon that would have been today.

marvin
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marvin
In this case the politicians are not to blame. However, WW1, followed by a depression, followed by WW2 did have a deleterious affect on NSW's ability to finance large infrastructure projects. By the time WW2 finished public transport projects were over shadowed by road building mania (hence the destruction of the tram network).
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Re the article, weren't the tunnels part of the original route for the Eastern Suburbs rail line? Good design for an interchange though.
Blessed are the thoughtful askers, for they shall shall be rewarded...

Source noted in the graphic: Sydney's Forgotten City Railways - John Oakes.

If the political muppets had not gotten in the way, we would have had a station in the financial district around Hunter and Bent Streets, as well as a station in Pitt Street, not far from Martin Place. (Mind you we would not have had the current Eastern Suburbs Railway... Martin Place Station, etc.).

The "stub tunnels" were to the north and south if the inner platforms at St James.

Note also the eastern proposal (using the southern stubs) from the inner platforms at St James station. Given that Bradfield uses the terms East Inner and East Outer, this suggests a loop of some form, but I am not sure how far out into the eastern suburbs he proposed. Note the proposed underground station at the intersection of Liverpool / College / Wentworth / Oxford streets. What a boon that would have been today.

marvin
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In this case the politicians are not to blame. However, WW1, followed by a depression, followed by WW2 did have a deleterious affect on NSW's ability to finance large infrastructure projects. By the time WW2 finished public transport projects were over shadowed by road building mania (hence the destruction of the tram network).
nswtrains
Well said, now the question is can any of this historic partly built infrastructure be used today to save money on new projects? Or is it like Central Platforms 24-25, built to an old standard and not usable today?

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