Rail Alliance applaud new Member for Mildura

 
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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I should clarify that a bit,I don't care one way or another who he shags or whatever, it's the hypocrisy from the likes of Broad and Barnaby and all their family values horse ship. And if he's been rorting/rooting the taxpayer.
wobert

What disgusts me about this bloke is his sheer hypocrisy.

He was against marriage equality because, to him gay people are lesser human beings as they are deviants and don't conform to his Christian view of the world.

His Christianity didn't stop him from taking it out of his pants...and what about the shame he has brought to his family and all the people who know him in the small rural city of Mildura where people know people in local political circles.

I've no doubt ScoMo will try to hold this latest fiasco together till the election and I hope this clown is dis-endorsed in the seat of Mallee and the locals dispatch him, despite the almost insurmountable swing required, just as they dispatched Peter Crisp the former state MP to political oblivion a few weeks ago.

Mike.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385
The Vinelander
Yep, well, so who is;  ' The NWRA welcomes Bill’s comments in his letter earlier this week.' Bill ?

I find these anonymous articles or articles with no info backing them up or backing who wrote wrote them, fairly feeble.

Not Bill from on here is it, Bill ?

BigShunter.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385
The Vinelander

I especially liked the idea of building a station at Hattah.

For anyone who hasn't been there, it's literally in the middle of nowhere with about two houses and a roadhouse in a sea of mallee and sand. Any station would be completely over the top.

If you did bus from Robinvale, you'd take them into Ouyen. It's only about 20-30 minutes further.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
"His Christianity didn't stop him from taking it out of his pants"
Dunno about that Mikey, when I was talking to him, admittedly on about my 12th pot when it started, he seemed to have a discernible lump on his forehead.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385

I especially liked the idea of building a station at Hattah.

For anyone who hasn't been there, it's literally in the middle of nowhere with about two houses and a roadhouse in a sea of mallee and sand. Any station would be completely over the top.
historian

The pre-Vinelander train used to stop there back in the days...

https://www.victorianrailways.net/timetables/tt1967/tt1967_042.html

I assume there was a reason.

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385
Yep, well, so who is;  ' The NWRA welcomes Bill’s comments in his letter earlier this week.' Bill ?

I find these anonymous articles or articles with no info backing them up or backing who wrote wrote them, fairly feeble.

Not Bill from on here is it, Bill ?

BigShunter.
BigShunter

The letter from 'Bill'.

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5803986/letter-time-for-rail-alliance-to-chime-in-with-plan/?cs=1385
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385
Yep, well, so who is;  ' The NWRA welcomes Bill’s comments in his letter earlier this week.' Bill ?

I find these anonymous articles or articles with no info backing them up or backing who wrote wrote them, fairly feeble.

Not Bill from on here is it, Bill ?

BigShunter.

The letter from 'Bill'.

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5803986/letter-time-for-rail-alliance-to-chime-in-with-plan/?cs=1385
The Vinelander
Correct, Mike, WHO is BILL and credentials ? It doesn't say or give credits.

BigShunter.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385

I especially liked the idea of building a station at Hattah.

For anyone who hasn't been there, it's literally in the middle of nowhere with about two houses and a roadhouse in a sea of mallee and sand. Any station would be completely over the top.

The pre-Vinelander train used to stop there back in the days...

https://www.victorianrailways.net/timetables/tt1967/tt1967_042.html

I assume there was a reason.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Bureaucratic inertia.

The VR stopped publishing the detailed traffic statistics that year from sheer embarrassment, but the statistics for the YE 30/6/66 showed that a grand total of 88 people joined the train at Hattah - roughly 3 per fortnight (*). Probably much the same number arrived otherwise Hattah would have rapidly run out of people.

Incidentally, the passenger revenue was 408 pounds - so each ticket sold was, on average, worth 4.6 pounds. I don't have the 1966 fares book, but in 1961 the 2nd class return Melbourne - Hattah was 4.8 pounds. (Edit: in 1964 the VR increased the fare to 5.75 pounds.) I (edit still) reckon most of those people would be off to Melbourne or Ballarat with some to Mildura.

(*) Of course, these were nominal people. Children were counted as half a person, so we could have had as many 176 children leaving Hattah in that year.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Thanks Historian for the specific stats which are enlightening, but for a period of over 50 years ago before there was eco-tourism, or possibly even before there was a national park Exclamation

I believe Hattah's proximity right in the middle of the Hattah-Kulkyne national park AND adjacent to the Pink Lakes may well set up Hattah to be a potential centre for eco-tourism.

A friendly tip, go to your 'Character map' and you can utilise the '£' symbol among many other obscure symbols for your currency amounts. EG;


'Incidentally, the passenger revenue was £408' etc.

Mike.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
In Vinelander days I have seen 2 or 3 passengers on or off at Hattah.
Visiting the park and lakes it appeared.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385

I especially liked the idea of building a station at Hattah.

For anyone who hasn't been there, it's literally in the middle of nowhere with about two houses and a roadhouse in a sea of mallee and sand. Any station would be completely over the top.

If you did bus from Robinvale, you'd take them into Ouyen. It's only about 20-30 minutes further.
historian
Hattah Already had a station
http://www.vicrailstations.com/Yelta/Hattah/Hattah.html
  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
This one nearly slipped under the radar...

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5810775/letter-rail-is-a-tangible-form-of-travel-for-sunraysia/?cs=1385

I especially liked the idea of building a station at Hattah.

For anyone who hasn't been there, it's literally in the middle of nowhere with about two houses and a roadhouse in a sea of mallee and sand. Any station would be completely over the top.

If you did bus from Robinvale, you'd take them into Ouyen. It's only about 20-30 minutes further.
Hattah Already had a station
http://www.vicrailstations.com/Yelta/Hattah/Hattah.html
Dangersdan707
As it happens I have actually caught the Vinelander to Hattah back in 1992 when I went on a hike with a group of 5 friends in the Hattah-Kulkyne National Park back when I was in the Scouts.

Needless to say we were the only 6 people to alight from the train at Hattah on the way to Mildura and we were the only ones to board the train back to Melbourne when we returned a few days later.  I'm pretty sure the only reason the train stopped was because we had booked tickets to get on and off there.

I remember on the last day of our hike we got back to Hattah early (not wanting to miss our train) and we ended up playing cards all afternoon outside the general store.  There really weren't too many people about!

Ross
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
As it happens I have actually caught the Vinelander to Hattah back in 1992 when I went on a hike with a group of 5 friends in the Hattah-Kulkyne National Park back when I was in the Scouts.

Needless to say we were the only 6 people to alight from the train at Hattah on the way to Mildura and we were the only ones to board the train back to Melbourne when we returned a few days later.  I'm pretty sure the only reason the train stopped was because we had booked tickets to get on and off there.

I remember on the last day of our hike we got back to Hattah early (not wanting to miss our train) and we ended up playing cards all afternoon outside the general store.  There really weren't too many people about!

Ross
Rossco T
Great story, Rossco, sounds like a terrific adventure for a bunch of young, scouts and you made it out alive, didn't get Mauled by a pack of Goanna's or attacked by a swarm of  Carnivorous Mallee Fowl, good one.

Scouts, in the early 90's, probably puts you, at about half, Mike's age.......Wink

By the way, where had you traveled from, on the way to Hattah ?

BigShunter.
  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
As it happens I have actually caught the Vinelander to Hattah back in 1992 when I went on a hike with a group of 5 friends in the Hattah-Kulkyne National Park back when I was in the Scouts.

Needless to say we were the only 6 people to alight from the train at Hattah on the way to Mildura and we were the only ones to board the train back to Melbourne when we returned a few days later.  I'm pretty sure the only reason the train stopped was because we had booked tickets to get on and off there.

I remember on the last day of our hike we got back to Hattah early (not wanting to miss our train) and we ended up playing cards all afternoon outside the general store.  There really weren't too many people about!

Ross
Great story, Rossco, sounds like a terrific adventure for a bunch of young, scouts and you made it out alive, didn't get Mauled by a pack of Goanna's or attacked by a swarm of  Carnivorous Mallee Fowl, good one.

Scouts, in the early 90's, probably puts you, at about half, Mike's age.......Wink

By the way, where had you traveled from, on the way to Hattah ?

BigShunter.
BigShunter

Yeah, made it back alive.  Only remember getting lost once when we got confused with the map because what we thought was a lake was just a dry salt plain.  Got pretty tired at the end after several days of walking and ended up hitch hiking back to the Hattah general store from the park entrance.

I would have been about 15 at the time, in the 'Venturers' section.

I travelled from Spencer Street.  We were just in a standard sitting compartment, sharing with other members of the public.  I can remember stopping at Ballarat and Maryborough really late in the night and I think the conductor woke us up just before we came into Hattah.  I remember thinking we were really in the middle of nowhere after the train left us on the platform with our packs.

Ross
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The 20 min maiden speech in the Legislative Assembly on 20/2/2019 by the Member for Mildura, Ali Cupper.

Top priority, local hospital...the only public hospital in Victoria to be privately operated, and number 2 on the list, the passenger train service among other innovative suggestions and ideas for the Sunraysia.

http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/5916039/video-mildura-base-hospital-plea-in-ali-cuppers-maiden-speech/?cs=1763

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Good on her.

With a population of over 50,000 it is simply a national disgrace there is not a public hospital in Mildura and a passenger rail service.  There is not even a viable and properly managed freight rail service to a national food bowl area.  If you ever wanted a prime example of how a government could mismanage a population and treat an entire area of a state with contempt, then you need go no further.

A Hospital and train, you would think by the way the people of Mildura are treated they had asked for a billion in gold bullion and a space port.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Good on her.

With a population of over 50,000 it is simply a national disgrace there is not a public hospital in Mildura and a passenger rail service.  There is not even a viable and properly managed freight rail service to a national food bowl area.  If you ever wanted a prime example of how a government could mismanage a population and treat an entire area of a state with contempt, then you need go no further.

A Hospital and train, you would think by the way the people of Mildura are treated they had asked for a billion in gold bullion and a space port.
bevans
So you are suggesting that the 3 x weekly Merbein Freight is not viable and/or properly managed?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
So you are suggesting that the 3 x weekly Merbein Freight is not viable and/or properly managed?
mikesyd
From the State Government transport department (for track network management and development) It's very poorly managed.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Good on her.

With a population of over 50,000 it is simply a national disgrace there is not a public hospital in Mildura and a passenger rail service.  There is not even a viable and properly managed freight rail service to a national food bowl area.  If you ever wanted a prime example of how a government could mismanage a population and treat an entire area of a state with contempt, then you need go no further.

A Hospital and train, you would think by the way the people of Mildura are treated they had asked for a billion in gold bullion and a space port.
bevans
Actually a space port could work. Just ring in Sir Richard Branson!

Now being serious for a moment. Using SG long haul trains with speeds up to 120 - 130 kph from Ballarat to Mildura is quite achievable. It would get passengers there relatively quickly. You simply connect at Ballarat from Melbourne or elsewhere.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Good on her.

With a population of over 50,000 it is simply a national disgrace there is not a public hospital in Mildura and a passenger rail service.  There is not even a viable and properly managed freight rail service to a national food bowl area.  If you ever wanted a prime example of how a government could mismanage a population and treat an entire area of a state with contempt, then you need go no further.

A Hospital and train, you would think by the way the people of Mildura are treated they had asked for a billion in gold bullion and a space port.
Actually a space port could work. Just ring in Sir Richard Branson!

Now being serious for a moment. Using SG long haul trains with speeds up to 120 - 130 kph from Ballarat to Mildura is quite achievable. It would get passengers there relatively quickly. You simply connect at Ballarat from Melbourne or elsewhere.
Duncs
It's costing $235 million to bring the heavily used North East line up to Class 2, which is what is required for 130km/h DMU operation. Add another $100 million - I'm being kind here - to protect all the level crossings so your VLocity doesn't have to slow to a trundle for every dirt lane, and round up our total to $400 mill to account for the inferior present construction of the Mildura line and the longer distance involved. As a one-time special offer, I'll not include the additional costs of an isolated SG VLo stuck near Ballarat.

So that's $400,000,000 for a train service that, in a ludicrously best-case scenario, might carry 450 people a day. That's a full VLocity up and back. Spoiler alert: the train will not be full. Nowhere near. The Maryborough train carried less the 40 people on an average day last year. You really think there's going to be 10 times the users once you bring Mildura into it? Forget it.

Even then, $500 mill on the Ballarat line is getting us a couple of thousand extra passengers a day.

That's the economic boondoggle explained. But what about the social case?

As I've explained at length previously, Mildura has excellent connectivity to Melbourne compared to other cities its size around the country. Four bus/train services on two different routes each day at a very passable average speed.

What does the shiny train add to that? Not a lot.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Actually a space port could work. Just ring in Sir Richard Branson!

Now being serious for a moment. Using SG long haul trains with speeds up to 120 - 130 kph from Ballarat to Mildura is quite achievable. It would get passengers there relatively quickly. You simply connect at Ballarat from Melbourne or elsewhere.
Duncs
Duncs, you're a Genius, why didn't I think of that ...........Shocked

BigShunter.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Good on her.

With a population of over 50,000 it is simply a national disgrace there is not a public hospital in Mildura and a passenger rail service.  There is not even a viable and properly managed freight rail service to a national food bowl area.  If you ever wanted a prime example of how a government could mismanage a population and treat an entire area of a state with contempt, then you need go no further.

A Hospital and train, you would think by the way the people of Mildura are treated they had asked for a billion in gold bullion and a space port.
Actually a space port could work. Just ring in Sir Richard Branson!

Now being serious for a moment. Using SG long haul trains with speeds up to 120 - 130 kph from Ballarat to Mildura is quite achievable. It would get passengers there relatively quickly. You simply connect at Ballarat from Melbourne or elsewhere.
Duncs

Australia is not progressive enough to lure a space port like that being used by SpaceX etc.  Hopefully this would change in time.

@Duncs you are right as a rail passenger service is not "rocket science" and should be able to be provided with connections to Bendigo if that is possible as not all passenger want to go to Melbourne.  

Victoria would benefit from some cross state services which do not necessarily have to originate and terminate in Melbourne.

What do you feel is possible in terms of a time between Ballarat and Mildura?

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