Great Southern Rail to launch Adelaide-Brisbane service

 
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
A bit weird that they are skipping Melbourne

Each to their own but I'd rather a couple of hours slamming cocktails and snacks at Arbory Afloat and carrying on about how great Melbourne is and after four margaritas was that a dolphin I just saw going upstream to Richmond than sitting on a bus from Stawell to Halls Gap

I can understand skipping Sydney because Sydney is a pain in the butt in general these days but there's a lot going on within 15 minutes from Southern Cross
Travelling Hooker
If tourists want to see Melbourne they can go to Melbourne.  But they're on a trip for the trip itself, and a couple of off train excursions are probably helping the train in other ways, eg to position, allow cleaning, give crew rests etc, as well as giving the travellers something to do that is different to what they'd ordinarily do.

Sponsored advertisement

  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Re this trip - if Ararat-Ballarat-Gheringhap was all SG, what might the chance be of an off train excursion into Ballarat and the goldfields?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Re this trip - if Ararat-Ballarat-Gheringhap was all SG, what might the chance be of an off train excursion into Ballarat and the goldfields?
james.au
Where would it fit in the schedule?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Re this trip - if Ararat-Ballarat-Gheringhap was all SG, what might the chance be of an off train excursion into Ballarat and the goldfields?
Where would it fit in the schedule?
justapassenger
IM not thinking at that level of detail - just wether it might be an interesting enough place for an off train tour.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It's an unavoidable part of considering it though.

Journey Beyond have designed a pair of packages which go out from Adelaide and return in one week, allowing it to repeat the next week with broadly the same set of rolling stock. Further to that, they've designed the schedule to do the boring bits overnight.

To add anything means either taking something away, or lengthening the schedule and shuffling things around.

It's clearly aimed primarily at international visitors, so 'natural' attractions such as the Grampians or 12 Apostles are clearly going to take priority over ex-mining towns which can be found locally in many of the countries which are the targeted markets. The only one I can't work out is Canberra - it will be interesting to see how they run that tour.
  GS4 Train Controller

Re this trip - if Ararat-Ballarat-Gheringhap was all SG, what might the chance be of an off train excursion into Ballarat and the goldfields?
Where would it fit in the schedule?
IM not thinking at that level of detail - just wether it might be an interesting enough place for an off train tour.
james.au
Maybe compare to Cook as one of their off train locations , , it is novel but not cliche.  I haven't been the the goldfields so I couldn't say.  

I suppose if you could imagine Clark W Griswold and his family there, then GSR may not want to use it as a stop.

Alternately if the train has to stop for fuel or water then it has to stop.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Re this trip - if Ararat-Ballarat-Gheringhap was all SG, what might the chance be of an off train excursion into Ballarat and the goldfields?
Where would it fit in the schedule?
IM not thinking at that level of detail - just wether it might be an interesting enough place for an off train tour.
james.au
A "wether" is a castrated male sheep, I'm guessing you meant "whether"!
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
To add anything means either taking something away, or lengthening the schedule and shuffling things around.
justapassenger
This.  Build the schedule around the desired tour. If Ballarat made sense then I'm sure they'd follow suggestions as you make above to make it work.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
IM not thinking at that level of detail - just wether it might be an interesting enough place for an off train tour.
A "wether" is a castrated male sheep, I'm guessing you meant "whether"!
Graham4405
This is the second spelling / grammar correction I've seen today on RP. Now don't get me wrong, I am all for it however I am a bit worried that the threads are going to get clogged up with corrections.

And @jamesau as a former farmer is, I am sure, used to asking whether it be good weather for wethers!

BG
  Fatty Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The IP makes a couple of stops at Mt Victoria every Wednesday to let off passengers for the Blue Mountains tour. No big deal.
nswtrains

The Overland sometimes makes multiple stops at North Shore.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

To add anything means either taking something away, or lengthening the schedule and shuffling things around.
justapassenger
This.  Build the schedule around the desired tour. If Ballarat made sense then I'm sure they'd follow suggestions as you make above to make it work.
james.au
Within reason and within the constraints of their resources, yes.

Journey Beyond have considerable experience in the tourism sector, both within the group leadership and the GSR division. I'm sure they have strong reasons for the decisions they have made on what to include from quite a wide variety of options.
  GS4 Train Controller

Where would the best location be for the train to park and let passengers on and off?  Ararat/Stawell?

The train is likely to be what length? 20 coaches?
bevans
It cost me $4600.00 to find out but GSR told me the train will be 28 coaches and 2 locomotives.  I don't believe it will stop in Canberra (for excursions or similar ) but there is a Hunter Valley Winery excursion.
Tickets do say excursions may change as necessary as do departure and arrival times.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Where would the best location be for the train to park and let passengers on and off?  Ararat/Stawell?

The train is likely to be what length? 20 coaches?
It cost me $4600.00 to find out but GSR told me the train will be 28 coaches and 2 locomotives.  I don't believe it will stop in Canberra (for excursions or similar ) but there is a Hunter Valley Winery excursion.
Tickets do say excursions may change as necessary as do departure and arrival times.
GS4
You're doing the Brisbane-Adelaide version?

Canberra is on the outbound trip to Brisbane.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

Brisbane Roma St SG logistics will be interesting.
  GS4 Train Controller

Where would the best location be for the train to park and let passengers on and off?  Ararat/Stawell?

The train is likely to be what length? 20 coaches?
It cost me $4600.00 to find out but GSR told me the train will be 28 coaches and 2 locomotives.  I don't believe it will stop in Canberra (for excursions or similar ) but there is a Hunter Valley Winery excursion.
Tickets do say excursions may change as necessary as do departure and arrival times.
You're doing the Brisbane-Adelaide version?

Canberra is on the outbound trip to Brisbane.
justapassenger
Yep , Brisbane to Adelaide.  

As for the number of coaches etc lets face it when you book it's a call centre operator (in Australia at GSR Adelaide).
Their primary task is to get us booked in and paid for.

If I was talking to a train manager I'd be much more certain what the consist would be, but I don't have reason to believe they were wrong.

As Neillfarmer wrote Roma St will be interesting.  Is it possible to have 2 strings of 14 coaches there ?


Day 1    Brisbane and Northern NSW Coast: Watch the sun dip into the horizon as you dine to the sounds of the waves lapping on the shore. The Northern NSW Coast stretches across 90km of incredible sandy beaches and some of the best surfing breaks in the world.

Day 2    Hunter Valley and Surrounds: Pass the Semillon and Shiraz! Take the time to meander through the picturesque Hunter Valley vineyards, home to world-renowned brands and family-run boutique cellar doors alike.

Day 3    Regional Victoria and the Twelve Apostles: Embrace the pastoral perfection of regional Victoria and its paddock- to-plate dining ethos. Ascend the dramatic cliff faces along which the famous Great Ocean Road passes and marvel at the Twelve Apostles - a majestic collection of crumbling pillars rising from the Southern Ocean.


Day 4   Adelaide  .......... hmmmmm could have been more inspiring !
  kitchgp Deputy Commissioner

28 + 2 (214 guests) is on the GSR website:
https://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/news/2018/11/23/great-southern-explores-new-territory
(214 guests averages about 8 per carriage)

Canberra (Sat AM excursion) is on the timetable. Probably bus from Yass or similiar location:
https://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/fares-and-timetables/timetables/great-southern-timetables-2019-2020/
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

sounds like this venture is going to be a LEMON.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Roma Street Plat 2 is about 300m according to the Google Maps and Plat 3 even longer, probably 380m between points.

28 cars, assume 24m long? is 430m and will I think block the common line coming in so maybe the cars are shorter.

Anyway I suspect the max train length is well known and I suspect likely they will shunt one engine at a time to fit it in. ie one engine goes through the sissors, then other pulls train forward and then repeat from the rear, now front.


Or

The will have another engine follow from AR and do it that way.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
@RTT
back to school for you.
28 X 23 (actual length of GSR carriage)  = 644 meter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Railways_stainless_steel_carriage_stock

Their longest train is 1096 meters.
https://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/news/2016/10/07/all-aboard-the-longest-ghan

They are very long pax trains, but not to worry, only 1/2 are for actual pax (ie get on/off).
So might fit the 380m limit in a squeeze.
The rest are restaurant, lounge, power, luggage, crew, which don't have a real need for platform.

cheers
John
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
@RTT
back to school for you.
28 X 23 (actual length of GSR carriage)  = 644 meter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Railways_stainless_steel_carriage_stock

Their longest train is 1096 meters.
https://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/news/2016/10/07/all-aboard-the-longest-ghan

They are very long pax trains, but not to worry, only 1/2 are for actual pax (ie get on/off).
So might fit the 380m limit in a squeeze.
The rest are restaurant, lounge, power, luggage, crew, which don't have a real need for platform.

cheers
John
justarider
Mmm, seems I typed in 18, not 28 cars. Thanks for the heads up on carriage length.

Looking at Google MAps, 640m puts the end of the train back out on the main blocking the sparks.

Likely they will need a trialing loco to come in and split the train on arrival.
  GS4 Train Controller


Likely they will need a trialing loco to come in and split the train on arrival.
RTT_Rules
Yikes, , I was hoping they'd get a proven and reliable loco ...

LOL, ok, I know what you meant.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Noted the advertising for the new service already appearing on the internet and one company has started marketing packages for the train.
https://www.discoveraustralia.com.au/holiday-packages/train/great-southern/?target=&adgroup=71463584590&keyword=&matchtype=&device=c&position=none&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5q6p8rPn4AIVUUgrCh3uvgI8EAEYASAAEgLHBfD_BwE


Offering a 5 day package for $2332 per person.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I would be astonished if the first season is not fully sold out at least a month in advance of the first train running.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/journeys/great-southern/
Quite a bit more detail online now, including mentioning Inverleigh as the pickup point in Victoria, for the southbound direction. The way I read it, the train will stop in Melbourne somewhere (Broadmeadows perhaps? Can’t see them going all the way to Southern Cross) for passengers who wish to do the Melbourne day trip, and they’ll be bussed to Inverleigh to meet the Great Ocean Road day trippers.

In the other direction, the only Victorian stop is “the Grampians”, so perhaps Horsham.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Notice the change in branding from 'Great Southern Rail' to 'Journey Beyond'

Sponsored advertisement

Display from: