BL's running on intermodals

 
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Since the start of May, several BL's have see use on intermodal services, for example BL26 was third loco on 3MA5 all the way from Melbourne to Adelaide this morning. BL30 had spent time being used as a Tailem Bend-Adelaide banker for a few weeks prior. At least two other BL's have been running on Melbourne-Brisbane & Sydney-Brisbane services recently.

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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Yes they have. Proof that their usefulness is declining and they're being reduced to trailing units prior to their inevitable withdrawl and scrapping.
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
BL's have also been working the Hamilton Mineral Sands.

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/stawellhd/photo/18693174309
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Hardly think scrapping is in the short term future as BL 26 has just had a new engine fitted at  Sth Dynon, by EDI.
Would be its first run for a few months,  plenty of life left for them.  Not so sure of the fate of G 519 and some DLs though..
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Went past the AFT today around 0745, and NR, BL 26, DL50 look to be heading South at some stage.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hardly think scrapping is in the short term future as BL 26 has just had a new engine fitted at  Sth Dynon, by EDI.
Would be its first run for a few months,  plenty of life left for them.  Not so sure of the fate of G 519 and some DLs though..
SN7
It's not a short term observation, but they'll not be around forever either. The fact is the older locos of the BL, G and 81 Classes will soon be the oldest operational locos in PNs fleet, and they will come due for replacement (I doubt directly, new locos to Intermodal or Coal would likely push older locos down the food chain), and they will be withdrawn and will be scrapped.

I'm just being realistic.
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
It's not a short term observation, but they'll not be around forever either. The fact is the older locos of the BL, G and 81 Classes will soon be the oldest operational locos in PNs fleet, and they will come due for replacement (I doubt directly, new locos to Intermodal or Coal would likely push older locos down the food chain), and they will be withdrawn and will be scrapped.

I'm just being realistic.
Raichase
Agreed the BL's and most of the 81's and G's , are now over 30 years old and the only remaining locos in PN's fleet are are older are the 48's, 80, and X's of which most of each class is either already stored or scrapped. Assuming no frame bending crashes the JT26C-SS still have probably less than 10 years left before withdrawals and scrapping start. Probably not that long now (5 years or so) and the first NR will start to be bumped to secondary duties like grain.

Matt
  NSWGR8022 Chief Train Controller

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
This link https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams?mode=photos.tagged is useful when looking for BL's and if they have been seen on the cams.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This link https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams?mode=photos.tagged is useful when looking for BL's and if they have been seen on the cams.
NSWGR8022

This link provides a list of all "tagged" locomotives seen through the RP Camera Network.  It relies on people updating and tagging locomotives through the network.  All support is appreciated as the database continues to build and we have a picture at least of what locos and when have been seen on the network in Vic.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
BL's running daily at present on the Mildura Goods showing tonight's down Mildura https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/gheringhaploophd/photo/46553562954 which arrived into melbourne around 6.3am this morning.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
It's not a short term observation, but they'll not be around forever either. The fact is the older locos of the BL, G and 81 Classes will soon be the oldest operational locos in PNs fleet, and they will come due for replacement (I doubt directly, new locos to Intermodal or Coal would likely push older locos down the food chain), and they will be withdrawn and will be scrapped.

I'm just being realistic.
Agreed the BL's and most of the 81's and G's , are now over 30 years old and the only remaining locos in PN's fleet are are older are the 48's, 80, and X's of which most of each class is either already stored or scrapped. Assuming no frame bending crashes the JT26C-SS still have probably less than 10 years left before withdrawals and scrapping start. Probably not that long now (5 years or so) and the first NR will start to be bumped to secondary duties like grain.

Matt
K-Class
This thread is from before my time - but how would you use an NR on grain lines that have lighter axle loads?  Surely keeping the 81/G/BL classes etc going would be a cheaper option?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
NR's would not be useful for a lot of the non ARTC network and even some of it I would believe.  The BL, 81 and G class are still going strong with no immediate replacement available to PN fleet.  They would have to stay.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
According to VicSig :

81 - 126t - 84 built - 1 scrapped, 83 in service.

G - 128t -  33 built - 2 scrapped, 31 in service (and some of those 31 have since been rebuilt).

BL - 129t -10 built - 1 stored, 9 in service.

All introduced in the early 1980s - thus all over 30 years old and still going strong.

The NR's are only slightly heavier at 132t, and with less than full tanks should be able to go where the BL can. Remember that a C class is supposedly 135t and they have been to Oaklands even - with a reduced fuel load.

EDIT - the 90 Class are a different matter altogether - 165t!!
  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

The stats on the 81's are something else, only 8147? Gone.
Depending on utilisation and avaliably, a major failure on any BL/G/81 would most likely see it parked up and piledged for bits and pieces.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The stats on the 81's are something else, only 8147? Gone.
Depending on utilisation and avaliably, a major failure on any BL/G/81 would most likely see it parked up and piledged for bits and pieces.
michaelgm

This looks quite accurate.

8147 scrapped.

https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/81-class
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

According to VicSig :

81 - 126t - 84 built - 1 scrapped, 83 in service.

G - 128t -  33 built - 2 scrapped, 31 in service (and some of those 31 have since been rebuilt).

BL - 129t -10 built - 1 stored, 9 in service.

All introduced in the early 1980s - thus all over 30 years old and still going strong.

The NR's are only slightly heavier at 132t, and with less than full tanks should be able to go where the BL can. Remember that a C class is supposedly 135t and they have been to Oaklands even - with a reduced fuel load.

EDIT - the 90 Class are a different matter altogether - 165t!!
mikesyd
I believe the figures are suspect. My understanding is that both 81's and NR's are 134 with a full tank. This would mean that an NR could go anywhere an 81 could go.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/81-class/8147 states the loco was damaged at a level crossing accident at Back Creek.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
According to VicSig :

81 - 126t - 84 built - 1 scrapped, 83 in service.

G - 128t -  33 built - 2 scrapped, 31 in service (and some of those 31 have since been rebuilt).

BL - 129t -10 built - 1 stored, 9 in service.

All introduced in the early 1980s - thus all over 30 years old and still going strong.

The NR's are only slightly heavier at 132t, and with less than full tanks should be able to go where the BL can. Remember that a C class is supposedly 135t and they have been to Oaklands even - with a reduced fuel load.

EDIT - the 90 Class are a different matter altogether - 165t!!
I believe the figures are suspect. My understanding is that both 81's and NR's are 134 with a full tank. This would mean that an NR could go anywhere an 81 could go.
fzr560
Yes, no mention of whether the weights are fully fuelled or otherwise.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/81-class/8147 states the loco was damaged at a level crossing accident at Back Creek.
x31

Damaged is one way of putting it.  Burnt to a crisp is probably more accurate.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
This is one of the first ATSB reports i ever read.  Really opened my eyes to accident investigation

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2007/rair/2007-001/
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

According to VicSig :

81 - 126t - 84 built - 1 scrapped, 83 in service.

G - 128t -  33 built - 2 scrapped, 31 in service (and some of those 31 have since been rebuilt).

BL - 129t -10 built - 1 stored, 9 in service.

All introduced in the early 1980s - thus all over 30 years old and still going strong.

The NR's are only slightly heavier at 132t, and with less than full tanks should be able to go where the BL can. Remember that a C class is supposedly 135t and they have been to Oaklands even - with a reduced fuel load.

EDIT - the 90 Class are a different matter altogether - 165t!!
I believe the figures are suspect. My understanding is that both 81's and NR's are 134 with a full tank. This would mean that an NR could go anywhere an 81 could go.
Yes, no mention of whether the weights are fully fuelled or otherwise.
mikesyd
Just to clarify, PNs documentation matches the figures quoted above, but not what is stencilled on the loco's. If I'd checked first, I probably have chosen my words a little more carefully.

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