A66 Being retired?

 
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

You guys are going to call me crazy …
Dangersdan707

You are crazy.
BrentonGolding
One of his predictions came true!

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
And Predictably, when I attempted to purchase a Loco PN just shoved me off claiming 'We do not sell locomotives for use on the domestic market' (only half true) and that 'they are not surplus to requirements' (HA, stored for 4 years unused). Although I told them I would not lease it to any freight operator and offered to pay more than the scrap value they still said No to my inquires and in effect told me in polite corporate blabber to go away. (Gunnel hopes and Dreams shattered)
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

And Predictably, when I attempted to purchase a Loco PN just shoved me off claiming 'We do not sell locomotives for use on the domestic market' (only half true) and that 'they are not surplus to requirements' (HA, stored for 4 years unused). Although I told them I would not lease it to any freight operator and offered to pay more than the scrap value they still said No to my inquires and in effect told me in polite corporate blabber to go away. (Gunnel hopes and Dreams shattered)
Dangersdan707
Ok, I'll bite.
Contradulations, on the siccessfull purchase of an Aclass locomotive.
Please remove your property from our site by X date, as stated in contract, failure to,do so will incur storage penalties. (Huge)
Locomotive is sold as is, where is. (It's a Smeg box, transport will be difficult and expensive)
Removal is at your cost. (Again huge)
Where are you going to store your locomotive, how will you pay the cost for same?
If your A class cost you $50K, you've just spent another $50K easily.

Fit some standard gauge bogies and donate to .Dorrigo. Very Happy
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Though not on this threads immediate topic, I have been hearing Rumours that that X42 and X41 are the Next in line to get the torch from PN/Sims.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Are they BG or SG units?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Are they BG or SG units?
james.au
My Gauge

Pacific National Scraps Stored Locos

Pacific Nation Why Do We now have a Motive Power Shortage?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Are they BG or SG units?
My Gauge

Pacific National Scraps Stored Locos

Pacific Nation Why Do We now have a Motive Power Shortage?
Dangersdan707

If you're relying on 50 year old low HP locos to solve a power shortage you've got problems.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
With one of the X class, I fail to see how much of an issue it would be to donate one to ARHS Williamstown museum.
Unless the ARHS adamantly don't want one (seriously you'd have to be nuts saying no), how hard is it to have the gate onto the network unlocked, push it in, relics gate, sign here mate the paperwork says she's all yours ????.

If it's stuffed, push it into the museum. Even if it was devoid of major components making deactivation highly improbable, most of the exhibits in there you can't walk through anyway, so Joe public wouldn't know or likely care.

Oh - the museum doesn't have a diesel X, so why not?? The fact that SRHC has an operational one is irrelevant IMHO to what should be in the museum, especially since one would just fit on the eastern end of the property.

Surely the positive PR couldn't do PN any harm? Could have done so as well with an A, but maybe both parties aren't this way inclined?

Regards
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Actually, disregard my last.
I've just managed to find an aerial view of Williamstown. It would seem without a bit of Tetris, it may not fit in there after all ????.

Still, you'd have to be offered it for it to then be a problem.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Actually, disregard my last.
I've just managed to find an aerial view of Williamstown. It would seem without a bit of Tetris, it may not fit in there after all ????.

Still, you'd have to be offered it for it to then be a problem.
davesvline

There's plenty of stuff that the museum have that isn't in there yet as well, with a large number of items in East Block IIRC. T320 springs to mind as well.

From memory, that's one thing they were looking at when contemplating hiring out B83, S308 and T367 back before El Zorro folded, both as an income stream but to also free up some space!
  Richard stroker Locomotive Driver

A question to those more knowledgable me , apart from the G and VL class isn't all broad gauge frieght hauled by loco's over fifty years old?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
A question to those more knowledgable me , apart from the G and VL class isn't all broad gauge frieght hauled by loco's over fifty years old?
Richard stroker
if you put the BL into the same bucket as the G (same model loco, slight differences) your basically correct. You need to add the "New build" XR's (557-559) into your list and you would be there.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
A question to those more knowledgable me , apart from the G and VL class isn't all broad gauge frieght hauled by loco's over fifty years old?
Richard stroker
Would someone be able to list the current BG freight fleet?
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

A question to those more knowledgable me , apart from the G and VL class isn't all broad gauge frieght hauled by loco's over fifty years old?
Would someone be able to list the current BG freight fleet?
james.au
I'll have a go. Acc to VicSig:

X31 (SRHC for hire) X43 and X44 (PN)

B74 (SRHC for hire), B75 (SSR), B76 and B80 (CFCLA)

S303 (SRHC for hire), S313 (Steamrail for hire), S302, S312 and S317 (SSR, on Deniliquin-Kensington grain).

All the N-class except 5 on SG for Albury. (All V/Line)

G512, G515 (both CFCLA on hire to QUBE, I believe) G521 and G532 (QUBE) and G522, G524, G525, G527, G529, G531, G536, G539, G541, G543 (all PN).

All nine XRs (PN)

BL29, BL32 and BL34 (PN)

VL356 (QUBE)

H1 (PN) (and H3/H5 on tours nowadays?)

P20 (PN - I think it is used for powering reefer wagons?) and P22 with SRHC.

Some Ts and Ys.

If this is correct, apart from the XRs and the VL, what isn't 50 yrs old, is 30+. Amazing, really
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Counting serviceable main line locos from the top of my head:

CFCLA:

B76, B80, G512, G515, T369, T373, T377, T376, VL356, VL360

PN:

BL29, BL32, BL34, G522, G524, G525, G527-G529, G531, G536, G541, G543, H1, P20, T400, X43, X44, XR551-XR557, XR559

QUBE:

G521, G532

SSR:

B75, S302, S312, S317, T363, T381, T385 & T386

Various Preservation:

B74, T356, T364, T378, T395, T413, S303, S313, X31

Non-freight/non-mainline:

H3, H5, Y157 (all Regional Connect- H's with 707 Operations, Y shunter at Bendigo North 'shops)

Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
Greensleeves
Is S307 still in existence? And while I'm at it, does anyone know if CFCLAs S300 and S311 (stored SG) are pretty much clapped out?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
Is S307 still in existence? And while I'm at it, does anyone know if CFCLAs S300 and S311 (stored SG) are pretty much clapped out?
ADB

S307 still lingers on stored at EDI Port Augusta, as do V544 and the XRB's. S300 and S311 have recently been purchased by a private individual for preservation, in a similar vein to 42103 and 42105. Body wise they look fine to an untrained eye but mechanically they require a fair amount of work by the sounds of it.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
Is S307 still in existence? And while I'm at it, does anyone know if CFCLAs S300 and S311 (stored SG) are pretty much clapped out?

S307 still lingers on stored at EDI Port Augusta, as do V544 and the XRB's. S300 and S311 have recently been purchased by a private individual for preservation, in a similar vein to 42103 and 42105. Body wise they look fine to an untrained eye but mechanically they require a fair amount of work by the sounds of it.
Greensleeves

Ah, thanks for that. They seemed to come off regular hire about 2012, but ran a tour in 2015, so hopefully the mechanicals haven't become insurmountable over four years.

If X41 and X42 are going, you have to wonder how much longer poor old S301/306/307 are going to avoid the gas-axe.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

They are just simply old and clapped out, and their is no traffic for them, enough locos in preservation.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Counting serviceable main line locos from the top of my head:

CFCLA:

B76, B80, G512, G515, T369, T373, T377, T376, VL356, VL360

PN:

BL29, BL32, BL34, G522, G524, G525, G527-G529, G531, G536, G541, G543, H1, P20, T400, X43, X44, XR551-XR557, XR559

QUBE:

G521, G532

SSR:

B75, S302, S312, S317, T363, T381, T385 & T386

Various Preservation:

B74, T356, T364, T378, T395, T413, S303, S313, X31

Non-freight/non-mainline:

H3, H5, Y157 (all Regional Connect- H's with 707 Operations, Y shunter at Bendigo North 'shops)

Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
Greensleeves
So, 74 in total, less 16 stored is 58.

Of these, 27 are higher HP and broadly usable (G, BL, VL, XR), whilst the others are old shunters/branch liners etc (22 - X, T, H, P, Y) or just old models (9 - B and S).
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Counting serviceable main line locos from the top of my head:

CFCLA:

B76, B80, G512, G515, T369, T373, T377, T376, VL356, VL360

PN:

BL29, BL32, BL34, G522, G524, G525, G527-G529, G531, G536, G541, G543, H1, P20, T400, X43, X44, XR551-XR557, XR559

QUBE:

G521, G532

SSR:

B75, S302, S312, S317, T363, T381, T385 & T386

Various Preservation:

B74, T356, T364, T378, T395, T413, S303, S313, X31

Non-freight/non-mainline:

H3, H5, Y157 (all Regional Connect- H's with 707 Operations, Y shunter at Bendigo North 'shops)

Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
So, 74 in total, less 16 stored is 58.

Of these, 27 are higher HP and broadly usable (G, BL, VL, XR), whilst the others are old shunters/branch liners etc (22 - X, T, H, P, Y) or just old models (9 - B and S).
james.au
Wouldn't offend the X class by classifying it as a shunter
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Counting serviceable main line locos from the top of my head:

CFCLA:

B76, B80, G512, G515, T369, T373, T377, T376, VL356, VL360

PN:

BL29, BL32, BL34, G522, G524, G525, G527-G529, G531, G536, G541, G543, H1, P20, T400, X43, X44, XR551-XR557, XR559

QUBE:

G521, G532

SSR:

B75, S302, S312, S317, T363, T381, T385 & T386

Various Preservation:

B74, T356, T364, T378, T395, T413, S303, S313, X31

Non-freight/non-mainline:

H3, H5, Y157 (all Regional Connect- H's with 707 Operations, Y shunter at Bendigo North 'shops)

Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
So, 74 in total, less 16 stored is 58.

Of these, 27 are higher HP and broadly usable (G, BL, VL, XR), whilst the others are old shunters/branch liners etc (22 - X, T, H, P, Y) or just old models (9 - B and S).
Wouldn't offend the X class by classifying it as a shunter
Dangersdan707
its in the branch line part of shunters/branch liners
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
*snipped*
So, 74 in total, less 16 stored is 58.

Of these, 27 are higher HP and broadly usable (G, BL, VL, XR), whilst the others are old shunters/branch liners etc (22 - X, T, H, P, Y) or just old models (9 - B and S).
james.au

A few others I forgot to add:

P23 under restoration at SRHC (RC)

GM28, S310, T320 awaiting restoration at SRHC (preserved)

T333 waiting transfer at SRHC (preserved, unlikely to be hired for mainline freight use again)

T342 under restoration at SRHC (as per T333)

T382 nearing completion at SRHC (preserved)

Y119 serviceable as shunter at SRHC (RC)

Y171, Y174 stored SRHC (RC)

Non of these are particularly likely to be seeing main line freight use any time soon.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Counting serviceable main line locos from the top of my head:

CFCLA:

B76, B80, G512, G515, T369, T373, T377, T376, VL356, VL360

PN:

BL29, BL32, BL34, G522, G524, G525, G527-G529, G531, G536, G541, G543, H1, P20, T400, X43, X44, XR551-XR557, XR559

QUBE:

G521, G532

SSR:

B75, S302, S312, S317, T363, T381, T385 & T386

Various Preservation:

B74, T356, T364, T378, T395, T413, S303, S313, X31

Non-freight/non-mainline:

H3, H5, Y157 (all Regional Connect- H's with 707 Operations, Y shunter at Bendigo North 'shops)

Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
So, 74 in total, less 16 stored is 58.

Of these, 27 are higher HP and broadly usable (G, BL, VL, XR), whilst the others are old shunters/branch liners etc (22 - X, T, H, P, Y) or just old models (9 - B and S).
Wouldn't offend the X class by classifying it as a shunter
its in the branch line part of shunters/branch liners
james.au
HOW?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Counting serviceable main line locos from the top of my head:

CFCLA:

B76, B80, G512, G515, T369, T373, T377, T376, VL356, VL360

PN:

BL29, BL32, BL34, G522, G524, G525, G527-G529, G531, G536, G541, G543, H1, P20, T400, X43, X44, XR551-XR557, XR559

QUBE:

G521, G532

SSR:

B75, S302, S312, S317, T363, T381, T385 & T386

Various Preservation:

B74, T356, T364, T378, T395, T413, S303, S313, X31

Non-freight/non-mainline:

H3, H5, Y157 (all Regional Connect- H's with 707 Operations, Y shunter at Bendigo North 'shops)

Stored Locos:

A71, A78, A79 (all PN), B65 (SSR), H2 (RC) H4 (PN), S301, S306 (both PN), T388, T399, T402, X37 (all RC), X39, X41, X42, Y165 (all PN, X41 and X42 soon to be scrapped)
So, 74 in total, less 16 stored is 58.

Of these, 27 are higher HP and broadly usable (G, BL, VL, XR), whilst the others are old shunters/branch liners etc (22 - X, T, H, P, Y) or just old models (9 - B and S).
Wouldn't offend the X class by classifying it as a shunter
its in the branch line part of shunters/branch liners
HOW?
Dangersdan707
They're not in the 3000hp league that the mainliners now seem to be bottoming out at.

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