Terroirsm strikes in Christchurch

 
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
This morning a mad man went nuts in the city of Christchurch, he entered a mosque and started firing from his machine gun randomly, the person is in custody, he is being described as a white supremacist , the Bangladesh Cricket team was also at the mosque, and they escaped without injury - https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/just-escaped-bangladesh-test-cricket-team-flees-mosque-shooting/news-story/f724ff41cd457b0f470dbe5ea77d7ccf : ( : (

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  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
This was not a "mad man" but an evil man (bastard). Apparently planned and 4 people (including 1 woman) in custody. Australian news is reporting one is a man from Grafton, known to Australian police.
When I first saw a report about  Christchurch I feared another earthquake. That was upsetting enough, this to me is far worse. In my beautiful peaceful adopted country.
  reubstar6 Train Controller

Thank you for using the word terrorism. This is indistinguishable from other horrible attacks that were undertaken by other groups.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It is an appalling act in anyone's language, but I have one question. What do these maniacs think they are achieving?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

How on earth did this evil man (or neo-Nazi group) gain access to the military assault weapon(s) that were used in this terrorist attack?

I understand NZ has much more lax restrictions on automatic and semi-auto guns than Australia.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Let me correct one thing, the Bangladesh Cricket team was NOT at the Mosque, but they were in the nearby vicinity
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Let me correct one thing, the Bangladesh Cricket team was NOT at the Mosque, but they were in the nearby vicinity
lsrailfan
They were apparently in a bus approaching the mosque when the shooting occurred. They (and the NZ team) are now safe in their hotels and tomorrow's match has been cancelled
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
According to Cricinfo, the Bangladesh tour of New Zealand has been called off; not just tomorrow's match.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Senator Fraser Anning is making some utterly repulsive statements online this afternoon. I hope the parliament comes down hard on him.

What a fraud and a nuff nuff.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

How on earth did this evil man (or neo-Nazi group) gain access to the military assault weapon(s) that were used in this terrorist attack?

I understand NZ has much more lax restrictions on automatic and semi-auto guns than Australia.
Carnot
there is also a bomb, are you as concerned about where they got diesel and ammonium nitrate?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
there is also a bomb, are you as concerned about where they got diesel and ammonium nitrate?
theanimal
Diesel and Ammonium Nitrate were developed for peaceful uses; guns weren't.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
They are reporting that Cricket NZ are arranging the return home of the Bangladeshi team ASAP. Not being a cricket follower, I do not know how many matches were still to be played. I do know that they played here in Dunedin last week.
PM Ardern has now announced that 40 have been killed, 48 are in Christchurch hospital and all 12 operating theatres are in operation.
This is just so horrible. Until now the worst massacre in NZ was 13 dead in Aramoana (1990)not far from where I live (That was a madman). It was before I moved here but I have visited the memorial several times, including early February while hiking. The local paper is saying the original plan of the gunman was to attack here in Dunedin. As you can imagine, there is nothing else on mainstream TV here tonight.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
One of the very few criticisms I have held of my adopted country is that gun laws are more lax her. I am not sure of the details. However until now deaths have usually been due to careless hunters and more recently criminal activity. I am sure you know NZ police do not regularly carry guns.
I have also loved the fact that there is no security when boarding regional turbo prop aircraft, it is just like boarding a bus. Regional flights out of Christchurch have been cancelled tonight and early tomorrow. I fear that may now disappear.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Senator Fraser Anning is making some utterly repulsive statements online this afternoon. I hope the parliament comes down hard on him.

What a fraud and a nuff nuff.
Carnot
Fraser Anning is a dickhead, about time they chucked him out of Parliament!
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
A security analyst on our TV has just said that the NZ security was more concerned with possibilities of Islamic attacks and took their eye of the white supremacists. He said one policeman said to him "They are just clowns".
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
The police commissioner has now announced that 41 were killed at one mosque, 7 at the other and 1 has died since in hospital so total now 49. They say 20 are critical in hospital (48 have gone to hospital with gun shot wounds).
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Senator Fraser Anning is making some utterly repulsive statements online this afternoon. I hope the parliament comes down hard on him.

What a fraud and a nuff nuff.
Carnot

Some of the crap he's been posting simply beggars belief, and yet there are still people out there who agree and applaud him for saying stuff like this (and more-over, applauding the murderer).

For a man who claims he's not a neo-nazi, he sure acts like one.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Can't the Senate take action against him? like banning him from the Senate? I note that he is blaming what happened today in Christchurch on "mass immigration", um hello, last I heard the shooting was carried out by a WHITE SUPREMICIST!!, whoever the president is of the Senate is, must surely punish Anning in some sort of way!
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I'm pretty sure a censure motion could be raised.

I would have to go digging through the Constitution to see what would qualify for expulsion, but I doubt the comments he made today, no matter how full of ethno-nationalist BS they were, would do so.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Considering that the Australian man involved has actually committed a terrorist act and not just done a rather below average job of promoting them like N*** P******, I wonder if Peter Dutton will withdraw his Australian citizenship? It would be a powerful statement on Australia's refusal to tolerate terrorism and a great chance for Dutton to show he can apply policy in an even-handed and objective manner.

I'm pretty sure a censure motion could be raised.
Carnot
No. The Senate only censures the government or a minister.

Other senators may use language such as 'deplorable' or 'condemn' etc in reference to his actions while speaking, but not move a motion against him. The Senate hansard search functions made it a quick task to find an example of Senator Chisholm doing exactly that a month ago.

The Senate can vote to suspend him for the remainder of the sitting day if he commits an offence against the standing orders during a sitting, but even that would depend on both him committing an offence during a sitting and other senators deciding to vote in favour of a suspension.

I would have to go digging through the Constitution to see what would qualify for expulsion, but I doubt the comments he made today, no matter how full of ethno-nationalist BS they were, would do so.
Carnot
Section 20 (a senator who misses two months of sittings loses their seat) and the infamous Section 44 are where you would go looking.

Anning attends the Senate too often for s20 to work, but the infamous s44 gives you five options. He's out if you can manufacture one of the following:
1. Get another country to give him a passport
2. Get him convicted for a crime punishable by at least a year
3. Bankrupt him
4. Get him a public sector job
5. Get him into ownership of a business which has dealings with the government, such as an office building or a childcare centre

Anyway, the problem with expelling him is that it would create a casual vacancy, and that O** N***** would be the party which would nominate the replacement because he was elected (in the recount after Roberts was ejected for his divided loyalties) as one of their endorsed candidates. A O** N***** nominated senator getting a couple of months to run amok before an election, what could possibly go wrong there?
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
The problem is that Anning was "democratically" elected to the parliament (probably by a handful of votes?), and therefore has a right to represent the views of those who put him there.  And who was it who said something like "I detest what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it"?

Latest news from Indonesia (the world's largest Muslim nation) is that the nasty video is being widely seen and circulated, and is stirring up more hatred.  Reprisals are expected.

I used to be ashamed to be an Australian.  Now, I am ashamed to be a human.  How can one group of people hate another group so much as to go out and kill them?  The sooner that Homo Sapiens becomes extinct (and we are working on that in a number of ways) the better off this planet will be.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The problem is that Anning was "democratically" elected to the parliament (probably by a handful of votes?), …
Lad_Porter
By his position on the O** N***** party ticket. He only got 19 votes personally, but being third on the ticket meant he got in on party ticket votes which were enough to win two seats - one for Pauline Hanson (first) and one for Malcolm Roberts (second). Once Roberts was disqualified, the party ticket votes cascaded down to Anning.

I agree about the principle of not overturning elections easily - not without either robust legal processes (which we have in Australia) or a democratic recall process (which we do not).
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
One other regret I have is, that as far as I know, New Zealand has no equivalent to Goulburn Jail's Super Max, which is the perfect place for those who commit terrorist actions such as this one.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I used to be ashamed to be an Australian.  Now, I am ashamed to be a human.  How can one group of people hate another group so much as to go out and kill them?  The sooner that Homo Sapiens becomes extinct (and we are working on that in a number of ways) the better off this planet will be.
Lad_Porter
Quite easily. When you are born and raised to believe in a diety, and that anyone who doesn't believe in your particular diety is an infidel/bound for eternal damnation/stuck in a career with PN (Depending on your view as to which is worse), it's easy to see why religion has caused more problems than it has ever solved.

Fundamentally, we are no different to a group of animals. You have a pride of lions, or whatever moniker you fancy, but the weaker ones are constantly getting picked off by other animals, or their own in some cases. We have rules to try to prevent that, but even in nature, that doesn't always work.

I don't agree with old mates methods, but to a certain extent I do agree with his ideology. IMHO multiculturalism, like communism, is great in theory but it does not work in this day and age. In days gone by, immigrants integrated into Australian culture because they had to. They were greatful to the Australian people for providing a safe haven and a land of opportunity they wouldn't have got elsewhere after WWII.

Now, with modern technology, various special-interest groups and the do-gooders, that doesn't happen as much, and you have the outspoken ones among them demanding things like Sharia Law be implemented in Australia, or "Muslim-only" times at the local pool, which does nothing but further antagonise intolerant Australian's. Modern tech and 'instant news' has further given these idiots a platform from which they can spout their nonsense.

The Australian way of life as I've known it has been gradually eroded by do-gooders and the PC-brigade to the point you can't call a spade a spade, rather, it is to be known as a handy-single-handled-digging-implement. People like Ol' Mate in Christchurch take this to the extreme in a (futile) attempt to restore things to the way they were, never realising that will never happen.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
There is no denying this statement.

"Don’t change your tune now because the terrorism seems to be coming from a white supremacist. If you’ve been talking about being "tough on terrorism" for years in the communities that allegedly support it, show us how tough you are now.

…everything we say to try to tear people apart, demonise particular groups, set them against each other, that all has consequences even if we’re not the ones with our fingers on the trigger."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/the-most-dishonest-thing-would-be-to-say-that-i-m-shocked-20190316-p514q2.html

We have a number of politicians and people in the media who feed that inner-nazi. We have media organisations that actively court them. This has simply emboldened the haters, however those complicit don’t give a rats.

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