Perth to the Kimberely-Darwin Rail?

 
Topic moved from Western Australia by dthead on 13 Mar 2019 20:28
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Has there ever been any discussion about a potential west coast railway line from Perth up to Geraldton, Carnarvon, Exmouth, Port Hedland continuing up to Broome, Kununurra, Katherine and Darwin?

I think it would be a massive win for tourism in WA. It would allow tourists to completely circumnavigate the country by rail and stop off at some key points on the incredible western coastline for a few days at a time.

The train could meet up with the Ghan and Indian Pacific.


I don't think there would be any other rail journey like it, anywhere in the world.

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  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
We can't even get the Fremantle passenger line extended to North Coogee with an existing freight line there LOL, this West Coast line won't happen in any of our lifetimes, if at all.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
This idea should be pinned to the freight requirements between Perth, Geraldton and the Pilbara but would you consider a line from Katherine to the WA north?
  gmanning1 Locomotive Driver

Location: Sydney
This idea should be pinned to the freight requirements between Perth, Geraldton and the Pilbara but would you consider a line from Katherine to the WA north?
x31
Often wondered if a line extended south from Newman to Perth would ever eventuate, but what would be the regular freight? I doubt you would even get a weekly service full.

You would also have to somehow connect from the BHP network to the RIO network at some point to include Karratha.

The problem is the distance from Newman to Perth is quite a stretch (1200 km+), and there is no standard gauge north of Perth from my understanding, so even if connecting to Geraldton (1000 km?), you would still have to upgrade that stretch south of Geraldton to standard gauge?

And again, what regular traffic would use it?

A passenger service of 1200km (or more if via Geraldton) versus a 2-hour flight?

Anything north of the Pilbara wouldn't even get funding for a study IMO.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

I find it amazing that a lot of Australians prefer Bali or Thailand, to visiting their own back yard. The West coast is an undiscovered secret, as as are the many beaches along the bight. A rail service would help open it up and possibly get people to move out of Sydney and Melbourne given the beachfront property in Queensland is already taken....
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I find it amazing that a lot of Australians prefer Bali or Thailand, to visiting their own back yard. The West coast is an undiscovered secret, as as are the many beaches along the bight. A rail service would help open it up and possibly get people to move out of Sydney and Melbourne given the beachfront property in Queensland is already taken....
ANR
Australian's travel to South East Asian Countries because their dirt cheap to visit.

The West Coast Is a undiscovered secret, because of It's remoteness and harsh environment, people like It that way.

A rail service wouldn't be viable, due to no existent demand (TransWA don't even run road coach services up that way)

To lure people out of Sydney and Melbourne, they will still want a place that's within easy reach of these cities, so WA, NT not likely.

As for a Western Australian North West Coast railway, think about how the Queensland North Coast came about, the development of numerous railway (and tramway) systems along the Queensland coast (that linked the Inland hinterland to a sea/river port for coastal shipping) they progressively all joined up (apart from the Cooktown system) In an era where there were no all weather sealed roads and no commercial aeroplane services.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I find it amazing that a lot of Australians prefer Bali or Thailand, to visiting their own back yard. The West coast is an undiscovered secret, as as are the many beaches along the bight. A rail service would help open it up and possibly get people to move out of Sydney and Melbourne given the beachfront property in Queensland is already taken....
ANR

I completely agree.  I have just returned from 3 weeks driving the west coast and WOW what an amazing experience and just so pristine and unspoilt but there are downsides.

The number of trucks on the roads between Geraldton and Perth is nothing like I have ever experienced and I did not see one which was not over the speed limit.  The Northern Highway needs rail urgently to the northern part of the state.  The trucks at 110 km/h with 3 trailers are seriously dangerous and I can only imagine what it must be like in the winter which is the high season.

What is the WA government doing about getting intermodal working between Perth and Geraldton?
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Wouldn't this be a federal government nation building program to replace the road trains with rail freight in that stretch? What are the trucks carrying and where are they unloading it? Maybe they need a new port?
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

Are there any narrow gauge intermodal services in WA?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Are there any narrow gauge intermodal services in WA?
MetroFemme
Not any more.

The last operation was from Perth (Kewdale/Forrestfield) to Picton (Bunbury)

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