Terroirsm strikes in Christchurch

 
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I wouldn’t be too concerned about the prison valvegear, one hour of sunlight a day and just the company of a three man rotating guard escort everyday for the rest of your life is going to be pretty nasty anywhere.
Aaron
Hmm, just on some superficial research NZ has had recent problems working out where to put violent/dangerous criminals as Auckland is the only prison with maximum-security facilities and the setup there is considered basically inadequate.

Releasing this guy into gen pop is an unthinkable idea for so many reasons so they will have too come up with a long-term solution pretty quick.

Perhaps they will work out a way to have him held at Goulburn while NZ builds a proper max facility. No doubt there would be some knotty legal issues but nothing that couldn't be worked out by putting the three relevant AGs in a room.

I will make an educated guess that there are more residents of the average big house susceptible to right-wing radicalisation than there are to Islamist radicalisation, and yet we have already seen the latter cause problems. Protecting other prisoners from this scumbag has to be done properly.

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  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
"Protecting other prisoners from this scumbag has to be done properly."While I could not care less, I have a feeling that the opposite may be the case. I, naturally, have no time for the Mongrel mob and other Maori criminals but think that even they will not take kindly to this mass murderer of women and children.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

justapassenger does this (I don’t know what to call him) in NZ hold dual citizenship? If he does I am almost certain that Dutton and ScoMo will strip his AU citizenship.
Aaron
He's been a resident of NZ long enough to be eligible for citizenship there, so is therefore eligible to have Dutton revoke his Australian citizenship on the same grounds as was done with Prakash.

On the other hand, if it can't be done for T****** then the decision to do so with Prakash also needs to be revoked.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
justapassenger does this (I don’t know what to call him) in NZ hold dual citizenship? If he does I am almost certain that Dutton and ScoMo will strip his AU citizenship.
He's been a resident of NZ long enough to be eligible for citizenship there, so is therefore eligible to have Dutton revoke his Australian citizenship on the same grounds as was done with Prakash.
justapassenger
Oh Come on. Living here long enough to be eligible does not make one a citizen. I know, as stated a few posts back, I had to be here at least 5 years, reside here the minimum number of days in each year, and then I applied, was interviewed, obviously checked for any criminal record. I received the letter of acceptance in November 2015 but it clearly stated, I would not become a citizen until the following March when I attended the Dunedin Town Hall, swore my allegiance to the Queen and New Zealand, shook hands with the Mayor and was given my certificate along with a small Kowhai tree and a citizenship book. One of the proudest days of my life.  On the following day I was able to apply for my passport (not before). The only time I now use my Australian passport is when entering and leaving Australia.
An article has just appeared in our local paper about Jacinda asking if the creature will be deported. She basically replied, too early to say. However one academic asked if Australia will have him back. I do not see how they can do otherwise just as NZ has had to accept back much less serious criminals who have spent nearly all their lives in Australia
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
justapassenger does this (I don’t know what to call him) in NZ hold dual citizenship? If he does I am almost certain that Dutton and ScoMo will strip his AU citizenship.
He's been a resident of NZ long enough to be eligible for citizenship there, so is therefore eligible to have Dutton revoke his Australian citizenship on the same grounds as was done with Prakash.
Oh Come on. Living here long enough to be eligible does not make one a citizen. I know, as stated a few posts back, I had to be here at least 5 years, reside here the minimum number of days in each year, and then I applied, was interviewed, obviously checked for any criminal record. I received the letter of acceptance in November 2015 but it clearly stated, I would not become a citizen until the following March when I attended the Dunedin Town Hall, swore my allegiance to the Queen and New Zealand, shook hands with the Mayor and was given my certificate along with a small Kowhai tree and a citizenship book. One of the proudest days of my life.  On the following day I was able to apply for my passport (not before). The only time I now use my Australian passport is when entering and leaving Australia.
An article has just appeared in our local paper about Jacinda asking if the creature will be deported. She basically replied, too early to say. However one academic asked if Australia will have him back. I do not see how they can do otherwise just as NZ has had to accept back much less serious criminals who have spent nearly all their lives in Australia
Brianr
I'm not an expert in the field, but if the crime was committed in NZ, the criminal should do his time there, same as Aussie drug smugglers when they get caught in Bali, similar principle.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
He will be detained in NZ, probably to never set foot in any other country irrespective of citizenship. There will be more than enough solitary cells (he’s quite likely in one already) to deal with him.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The PM has confirmed that a censure motion will indeed be moved against Anning when the Parliament resumes in April, meanwhile, down in Melbourne, Frazer Anning was smashed over the head by an egg at a public event, footage shows the young man being held down by members of the public, the police have let him go pending further enquiries, I for one hope the cops take no further action on this, couldn't have happened to a more deserving fool!!!
The cops might have no choice but to take it further if the victim decides to press charges. Looks like aggravated assault (aggravating factor: victim was a minor) on the part of Anning when he strikes the teenager with a closed fist twice, and also by his supporters when they intervened. Unless I'm very much mistaken, aggravated assault can carry a maximum sentence of at least a year and therefore any conviction would be a s44 disqualification from office for Anning.

Eggs have been accepted to be a common element of protests in Australia for many decades, i.e. closer to freedom of speech than to any offence. An informal caution should be an adequate addressing of that action.
justapassenger
I wonder what the rest of us would do if someone came up from behind and cracked an egg on our head and in the fit and rage that will follow in the next few seconds the first you see is a camera in your face. I think the kid probably came off lightly, others with a faster more accurate fist may have seen him drink through a straw.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I think the kid probably came off lightly, others with a faster more accurate fist may have seen him drink through a straw.
RTT_Rules
Almost a shame that wasn't the case. Retaining his teeth and his 15 seconds of fame only serve to reinforce the concept that those kinds of shenanigans are acceptable.

No surprise he did it from behind, dollars to donuts he'd never have the balls to face up to him in the street and do it front on.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Entitlement does not make you a citizen, this BS only applied to Federal PM's. If he does not have dual he cannot loose his Aust citizenship and regardless why are so quick to dump one of our own on our smaller neighbor after he slaughtered 50 of their people in cold blood?

Like Martin Bryant, the guy is young and hence NZ will be funding his next 50 years or so in jail. Perhaps Australia should at least be considering to partly fund this.

Like Martin Bryant, NZ will likely have to place him in temporary accommodation while they build something just for him for the longterm.

Like Martin Bryant, within 10-15 years of his life being basically confined to a box and acknowledging this is as good as it gets , he'll probably contemplate suicide and even try it a few times before they lock in a mental asylum. I hope he does and I hope they save him because this means he's in pain mentally and the longer he lives with this the better. Western style Capital punishment is too quick for either of these two.

Martin Bryant is however basically a child in a mans body mentally, not sure of this guy in NZ. Usually most more mentally capable mass murderers keep the final shot for themselves or go down in a blaze of police bullets, the NZ killer choose to run, was there a plan?

I suspect this guy choose Southern Island NZ to make a statement, a bit like the Norwegian mass killer from 2011. The more innocent the location, the more people sit up and take notice. If he'd done this in USA, no one would blink. I suspect it may have also been too hard to get the guns in Australia. Regardless, NZ has lost its innocence in world terrorism and conclusive proof not all terrorists are the usual stereotypical. We are also entering a era of retaliation.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I think the kid probably came off lightly, others with a faster more accurate fist may have seen him drink through a straw.
Almost a shame that wasn't the case. Retaining his teeth and his 15 seconds of fame only serve to reinforce the concept that those kinds of shenanigans are acceptable.

No surprise he did it from behind, dollars to donuts he'd never have the balls to face up to him in the street and do it front on.
KRviator
I will donate more eggs to this kids cause. Glad he did it and I hope the police charge the senator that got in with only 19 votes with assaulting a minor and thrown out of Parliament. Some of you guys are showing your true colours by supporting this piece of smeg. Fraser Anning would not go 2 rounds with a revolving door. And mind you Anning was in a hall guarded by a convicted criminal.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
What that attacker has done in NZ, perhaps unknowingly, is made Australia a much bigger target for IS sympathizers more so now, than ever before, just by him being an Australian, I fear very much for the safety of this country going forward, I think we must brace for severe attacks on our shores in the months to come - I'm not trying to fear-monger either, I think someone said earlier in this thread that the attacker's video has been widely circulated in Indonesia, and that it is "stirring up hatred"

Kind Regards
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
What that attacker has done in NZ, perhaps unknowingly, is made Australia a much bigger target for IS sympathizers more so now, than ever before, just by him being an Australian, I fear very much for the safety of this country going forward, I think we must brace for severe attacks on our shores in the months to come - I'm not trying to fear-monger either, I think someone said earlier in this thread that the attacker's video has been widely circulated in Indonesia, and that it is "stirring up hatred"

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
I don't think anyone does this thinking it will end there. The loonies on both side of this growing religious conflict are either retaliating or wanting to make a statement.

I agree with the rest, I very much doubt we have seen the last or biggest either.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I am no fan of Anning, but that is no reason to defend (or worse celebrate) a person of any age carrying and egg or anything else, and filming (an aggravating circumstance) an attack on ANY person. Clearly this was premeditated, and quite frankly, the kid got less than he probably deserved.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Image if a teenager had done the same to Cathy Peters or Fiona Byrne! Doubt the lefties would be in chuckle mode then. It'd be all moral outrage and name-calling.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Image if a teenager had done the same to Cathy Peters or Fiona Byrne! Doubt the lefties would be in chuckle mode then. It'd be all moral outrage and name-calling.
billybaxter
The day before this terrible atrocity, the Leader of the Green Party in NZ and Minister for Climate Change was punched while walking to the Beehive in Wellington. He received a black eye and bloodied nose, attended a meeting, but then was advised to go to hospital for a checkup. The attacker was detained by nearby public and later charged. James Shaw went to Christchurch with the Prime Minister on Saturday. At the time I thought this was the worst that could happen here in NZ, there have been other similar attacks (a dildo thrown at a National Minister the most newsworthy). We were thankful that only the PM has a regular security officer with her and hope that does not have to change. Actually Australia is thankfully not much different. Rudd attended the same church as me in Sydney on Christmas morning and I only was aware because of the TV camera at the front door and the security officer standing at the side of the church during the service. I was proud to tell my US friends that.
I consider myself a 'leftie' and deplore any physical attack on any politician left or right or on anybody for that matter but hope that the worst that happens in either country is an egg which in any other circumstance would not have received any mention in the news on the other side of the ditch.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I can see why the kid hit Anning with the egg and I wouldn't mind doing it myself, however it was an assault. I can't stand Anning, but just for once, I don't blame him. Clouting the kid was an understandable reaction and most of us would react the same way.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

Wow, this is so surreal. Why are we even discussing such a reprehensible toad like Anning?

Comments like If it was a leftie imagine the outrage are utterly meaningless. Asking about what would your reaction be if you got egged, really? Why do you care if that Anning twit got egged? The kid shouldn't of done it but you can understand why someone would want to do it. Anning is basically blaming the Victims for being brown and muslim rather than that piece of crap terrorist.

49 men women an children got blown away by a piece of sheet and some feel compelled to justify Anning's actions because he got egged. Those who have ought to feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Michael
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Re the egg throwing incident and considering this is a rail website........

A very well known Egg Throwing Incident occurred on 29 November 1917 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia. An egg was thrown at the Australian Prime Minister Billy Hughes at the Warwick railway station during his campaign for the 1917 plebiscite on conscription. The egg was thrown by Patrick Michael Brosnan, possibly assisted by his brother Bartie Brosnan.

Enraged, Hughes lunged into the crowd, reaching into his coat for a revolver, which had been left behind in his railway carriage. Realising his weapon was not available, Hughes ordered the local police officer, Sergeant Kenny, to arrest Brosnan for a breach of Commonwealth law but the policeman said "you have no jurisdiction".

This incident has been associated with the forming of the Commonwealth Police. There had been plans to create such a police force for over a decade but it is felt that this incident acted as a catalyst for it to happen. In November 2007 the 90th anniversary of the Warwick Egg Incident was celebrated with an historic re-enactment at Warwick railway station.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_Throwing_Incident_(1917)
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Are NZ greens as anti-Semitic as their Marrickville counterparts? Different strokes for different folks, plus name-calling ( see ABC story about '30 bogans') and you end up with some unbalanced people feeling justified. No good for anybody. I see some lefty yellow jackets decided to set fire to a bank this weekend, not caring that people lived in the flats above.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
49 men women an children got blown away by a piece of sheet and some feel compelled to justify Anning's actions because he got egged. Those who have ought to feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
"mejhammers"
Don't let your outrage carry you away.
The massacre is an issue in itself, and I cannot think of anyone who isn't appalled by it.
Anning's egg is a totally separate and very minor incident.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
No the NZ Green party is much more moderate in its views than any I found in Australia. There are 8 members of parliament (out of 120). They gained just over 6% of the vote at the last election which was a decline from the previous 10% (swing to Labour). Three are ministers and 1 is an under secretary but none are in the cabinet. They have a confidence and supply agreement with the Labour Government.
In general NZ does not have the extremes of views found in governments elsewhere. Even the one member of the right wing party ACT party is the main proponent of the End of Life choice bill currently before parliament and voted for the Same-sex marriage bill. It officially does not believe in climate change but is very quiet on that issue these days.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

@Valvegear yes the thorougly ashamed statement was a bit harsh I admit. And I am not stating that people like your yourself are nothing but appalled, but that we should not even be discussing about Anning's egging. Don't give that absolute throbber any oxygen.  Focus on the victims, not on that tosser.

Michael
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I was reading that Barrant will be a marked man in prison, he will need to be isolated and guards will have to be carefully picked that aren't tempted to deal with him themselves.
  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

I was reading that Barrant will be a marked man in prison, he will need to be isolated and guards will have to be carefully picked that aren't tempted to deal with him themselves.
GeoffreyHansen
There will be an Occassion/s where he will 'resist' and an appropriately level of force required.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
No the NZ Green party is much more moderate in its views than any I found in Australia. There are 8 members of parliament (out of 120). They gained just over 6% of the vote at the last election which was a decline from the previous 10% (swing to Labour). Three are ministers and 1 is an under secretary but none are in the cabinet. They have a confidence and supply agreement with the Labour Government.
In general NZ does not have the extremes of views found in governments elsewhere. Even the one member of the right wing party ACT party is the main proponent of the End of Life choice bill currently before parliament and voted for the Same-sex marriage bill. It officially does not believe in climate change but is very quiet on that issue these days.
Brianr
You need to understand or at least appreciate the differences between the NZ govt structure and Aust Fed govt.

If I'm correct NZ does not have an upper house, so its elected members of Parliament are all from house or reps which like Australia is first past the post or 2 party preferred, what ever but also proportional combined form around 50 members or List MP's. Which is about 100,000 votes per List MP.

In the Australian Senate we had 6 members per state, but Bob Hawke made it 12. So from smaller states you have ratio's as low as 50,000 per seat which makes it much easier for the "wako's" to enter Parliament. If you look at the history of most of the Wako's, they often come from Tas, Qld and to a lessor degree SA. Far less so NSW and Vic.

Open to correction.

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