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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

No the NZ Green party is much more moderate in its views than any I found in Australia. There are 8 members of parliament (out of 120). They gained just over 6% of the vote at the last election which was a decline from the previous 10% (swing to Labour). Three are ministers and 1 is an under secretary but none are in the cabinet. They have a confidence and supply agreement with the Labour Government.
In general NZ does not have the extremes of views found in governments elsewhere. Even the one member of the right wing party ACT party is the main proponent of the End of Life choice bill currently before parliament and voted for the Same-sex marriage bill. It officially does not believe in climate change but is very quiet on that issue these days.
You need to understand or at least appreciate the differences between the NZ govt structure and Aust Fed govt.

If I'm correct NZ does not have an upper house, so its elected members of Parliament are all from house or reps which like Australia is first past the post or 2 party preferred, what ever but also proportional combined form around 50 members or List MP's. Which is about 100,000 votes per List MP.

In the Australian Senate we had 6 members per state, but Bob Hawke made it 12. So from smaller states you have ratio's as low as 50,000 per seat which makes it much easier for the "wako's" to enter Parliament. If you look at the history of most of the Wako's, they often come from Tas, Qld and to a lessor degree SA. Far less so NSW and Vic.

Open to correction.
RTT_Rules
It was 6 from each State before 1948, then 10 between 1948 & 1984, and 12 per state since 1984 when Group Ticket Voting was also introduced by Hawkey.  ACT and NT also allocated 2 senators each after 1975.

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  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Having a degree with a major in Government (BA Syd), also having lived in NSW for 65 years and worked as a polling officer, then lived in NZ for 9 years and being able to vote for 8 (5 before I gained citizenship) of those years, I am well aware of the differences.
NZ has a unicameral system and, of course, no state governments. There are 120 members. There are 64 general electorates and 7 Maori electorates. Each person is allowed to choose (I think every 5 years) as to in which electorate they will vote.
When you vote, you merely put 2 ticks. I tick is for the member in your electorate (First Past the Post) and the other tick is for a party.
The 120 members are decided by the party vote. After electorate members are decided (obviously much quicker than Australia due to being first past the post), the remaining 49 members are allocated according to the party vote from lists provided by the parties before the election so that the total number of party members are in accordance with its % of the party vote.
A party is only represented in parliament if it either wins an electorate or gains 5% or more of the party vote. This is called MMP (Mixed Member Proportional) and a similar system is used in Germany.
I think this system is why we do not tend to get extremists on either end of the spectrum in the NZ parliament.
Personally I vote Labour in my electorate as there is little point in voting for the Green candidate with First Past the Post, it would only help the conservative candidate. I party vote Green.
Voting is not compulsory in NZ but enrolling is and you must enrol once you have been a resident for 1 year.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
No the NZ Green party is much more moderate in its views than any I found in Australia. There are 8 members of parliament (out of 120). They gained just over 6% of the vote at the last election which was a decline from the previous 10% (swing to Labour). Three are ministers and 1 is an under secretary but none are in the cabinet. They have a confidence and supply agreement with the Labour Government.
In general NZ does not have the extremes of views found in governments elsewhere. Even the one member of the right wing party ACT party is the main proponent of the End of Life choice bill currently before parliament and voted for the Same-sex marriage bill. It officially does not believe in climate change but is very quiet on that issue these days.
You need to understand or at least appreciate the differences between the NZ govt structure and Aust Fed govt.

If I'm correct NZ does not have an upper house, so its elected members of Parliament are all from house or reps which like Australia is first past the post or 2 party preferred, what ever but also proportional combined form around 50 members or List MP's. Which is about 100,000 votes per List MP.

In the Australian Senate we had 6 members per state, but Bob Hawke made it 12. So from smaller states you have ratio's as low as 50,000 per seat which makes it much easier for the "wako's" to enter Parliament. If you look at the history of most of the Wako's, they often come from Tas, Qld and to a lessor degree SA. Far less so NSW and Vic.

Open to correction.
It was 6 from each State before 1948, then 10 between 1948 & 1984, and 12 per state since 1984 when Group Ticket Voting was also introduced by Hawkey.  ACT and NT also allocated 2 senators each after 1975.
Carnot
Thanks for the correction
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
49 men women an children got blown away by a piece of sheet and some feel compelled to justify Anning's actions because he got egged. Those who have ought to feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Don't let your outrage carry you away.
The massacre is an issue in itself, and I cannot think of anyone who isn't appalled by it.
Anning's egg is a totally separate and very minor incident.
Valvegear
Here and on social media it seems many are more willing to post their outrage about the egging. That's hardly surprising and I have a lot of empathy with Muslims because this mindset is widespread even if it's not obvious.

The egging was an adolescent prank but when you're promoting hatred so vigorously it isn't the worst thing that could happen to you.  

Back to the events in NZ, a few years ago I found myself more open to the use of the death penalty for acts of mass murder, terrorist or otherwise. The downside is turning them into martyrs.

My biggest concern is a revenge attack. It would be a change if extremists just took each other out!
  Hafenbahn Locomotive Fireman

I remain impressed by PM Ardern's statements and actions in response to these terrible events. She appears to be genuinely affected and sympathetic to the victims and their families unlike some other national leaders one could name. I am jealous of our NZ neighbours for their wise choice.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
mehjammers the surreal thing is that you don’t appear to notice the stunning irony of your post.

Whilst pointing out the obvious fault in Anning’s victim blaming views you go on to suggest ‘you can understand why someone would want to do it [egging Anning]’ - I don’t understand that, and neither do I understand how you could think that what anyone, Anning or otherwise, says or does could make them a legitimate target of violence and/or assault.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
mehjammers the surreal thing is that you don’t appear to notice the stunning irony of your post.

Whilst pointing out the obvious fault in Anning’s victim blaming views you go on to suggest ‘you can understand why someone would want to do it [egging Anning]’ - I don’t understand that, and neither do I understand how you could think that what anyone, Anning or otherwise, says or does could make them a legitimate target of violence and/or assault.
Aaron
Calling for a 'Final solution' and blaming the victims of a mass shooting for their own deaths not your ideology should as all fascists should rot in hell for all of eternity and say hi to the Führer. IIRC He and his goons will be charged with assault due the unnecessarily violent reaction.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Lefties use eggs; righties use machine guns.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Baader Meinhoff and Red Army Faction, Action Directe, Basque separatists, IRA.... all a bunch of egg throwers eh? Not to mention Stalin, Mao, Chavez, Pol Pot and all those other great egg throwing left leaders.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

mehjammers the surreal thing is that you don’t appear to notice the stunning irony of your post.

Whilst pointing out the obvious fault in Anning’s victim blaming views you go on to suggest ‘you can understand why someone would want to do it [egging Anning]’ - I don’t understand that, and neither do I understand how you could think that what anyone, Anning or otherwise, says or does could make them a legitimate target of violence and/or assault.
Aaron
Aaron, so effing what if I did? I did say it was wrong. Do you want me to kiss his backside as well? And dont bring otherwise into it. We are solely talking about Anning.

If you do not understand why I think that it is no surprise that he got an egging, because he condones the killing of innocent people because they are Muslims, in a place of worship, then I cant help you Aaron. He condones the slaughter of Muslims, I condone the egging of Anning, there I have admitted it. I hope this admission makes you feel better.

The surreal thing is that I cant understand why you are even pointing out irony which is wasted on such a toad like Anning? The Victims need our sympathy, screw Anning.

I could not care a running jump about irony. Sympathy is wasted on total gits like Anning. Anning got egged because he is a no mark racist throbber, because only a no-mark racist throbber would make such a remark when 50 people got mowed down by a racist thug. For just being Muslim and Brown in a place of worship. And remember Aaron women and children were victims too and not a word of sympathy from Anning. Terrorism whether by White Nationalist or Islamist extremists is vile to the core.

Politicians in France get pelted with flour, I don't see you disagreeing with that. Anna Soubry got harassed to the point of it nearly turning physical by some skinhead goon and nothing and you think I should give Anning even the slightest consideration. Stuff him. If crap was tipped over him I got not give a monkeys.

Anning got egged, get over it.

Michael
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Erdogan, at a rally, has been showing extracts from the streaming. Now a Turk has attacked a tram in the Netherlands and killed people. But I bet the left will still bleat about what an evil evil man Senator Anning is and how it's all the fault of bogans and WASPs.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@billybaxter I hope that Islamist extremist piece of filth rots in hell. It still does not excuse Anning. Making it into a left vs right thing speaks volumes.

The White Supremist, that Islamist thug and Fraser Anning are all cut from the same cloth. The only difference is Anning did not pull the trigger.

Michael
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Amazing how many people on this thread are humanising Fascism. This is the problem with modern democracy, it allows people like billybaxter openly admit there dated racist views. Anning should never been allowed into parliament, he is the most nutty politician in parliament that I think we have ever had. Humanizing fascism, moderates and conservatives protecting there right to free speech never ends well. Unfortunately Anning has a right to say these grotesque comment in modern society. Discusting
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Whereas handing power over to The Vanguard of the Proletariat, The Great Helmsman, or Comrade #1 always ends in fluffy rainbows for everybody?
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
For what it is worth this is an interesting read.

Accused Christchurch Mosque Shooter Brenton Tarrant Used Same Radicalisation Tactics as Islamic State, Expert Says
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-17/christchurch-shootings-brenton-tarrant-social-media-strategies/10908692
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Whereas handing power over to The Vanguard of the Proletariat, The Great Helmsman, or Comrade #1 always ends in fluffy rainbows for everybody?
billybaxter
That's a bit childish, Like saying conservatism always ends with wars over oil and 10 people controlling 50% of a nations wealth.
It Can and does, When It is allowed to flourish without outside influences. Such as in Cuba, Yugoslavia, Rojava and Chiapas. There are failed socialist and capitalist states throughout the world. If you think I am going to defend Stalinism I will not because apparently I'm a Libertarian socialist. What I am saying is that your comments about the left are unnecessary (who can be violent, like all political groups). Your comments support these nut jobs who's ideology inherently supports and promotes Ethnic Cleansing and apartheid.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Billy & Michael,

The Dutch Attack is being viewed as Domestic Violence as opposed to anything carried out by the Islamic State. The shooter targeted one specific woman then two people who tried to help her.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

At least the eggs were cooked. You get a better quality of egg-thrower on the right-wing side:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-07/alan-joyce-pie-thrower-tony-overheu-fined-for-qantas-boss-attack/8688666
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
mehjammers the surreal thing is that you don’t appear to notice the stunning irony of your post.

Whilst pointing out the obvious fault in Anning’s victim blaming views you go on to suggest ‘you can understand why someone would want to do it [egging Anning]’ - I don’t understand that, and neither do I understand how you could think that what anyone, Anning or otherwise, says or does could make them a legitimate target of violence and/or assault.
Aaron
This thread is about the massacre of 50 people of the Islamic faith. Before you go all high and mighty get your priorities right rather than just  'Right' as usual Razz

It’s not surprising you'd choose to post about this insignificant diversion, rather than the horrendous crime. Contrast that with your numerous posts relating to the Lindt café attack. If it was an Islamic equivalent of Anning, you'd be wanting to see more than just an egging.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
For what it is worth this is an interesting read.

Accused Christchurch Mosque Shooter Brenton Tarrant Used Same Radicalisation Tactics as Islamic State, Expert Says
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-17/christchurch-shootings-brenton-tarrant-social-media-strategies/10908692
Jack Le Lievre
The supremacists of both Islamic and Non-Islamic variety are of the same mindset. They lay claim to the 'right', declare their authority comes from some higher entity or heredity and they represent a pure society. They believe that is threaten by 'difference'. On that basis they are able to legitimise their actions to protect those values. Now you just need to give them a name.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Regarding the egg throwing incident, no one is being charged over the incident.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

In all honesty many have forgotten the first rule of civil discourse:

"Play the ball, not the man".  

Both the egg-thrower and Anning failed that one.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
"Play the ball, not the man".
Carnot
F_ck! It isn’t a game of cricket.

50 people gunned down in cold blood - Dead!
Survivors with gunshot wounds
9 remain in critical condition
A child shot in the face!

People who encourage the paranoia that lead to this know they are playing with fire.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Baader Meinhoff and Red Army Faction, Action Directe, Basque separatists, IRA.... all a bunch of egg throwers eh? Not to mention Stalin, Mao, Chavez, Pol Pot and all those other great egg throwing left leaders.
billybaxter
All existed in this neck of the woods, did they?

On the other hand....
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Hear hear @Groundrelay. @Carnot The boy who egged Anning strikes me as an young man who let his exuberance get the better of himself. Fraser Anning on the other hand is a fathered racist bigot who thinks that anyone who does not look like him deserves a big red target on their backs.

There is no equivalence here Carnot. I do not know what point you are trying to make with a ridiculous meaningless cricket analogy.

Michael

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