Liberals pledge $80m to realign track between Woy Woy and Sydney

 

News article: Liberals pledge $80m to realign track between Woy Woy and Sydney

NSW Liberals have committed $80 million to develop a new rail alignment between Woy Woy and Northern Sydney designed to shave travel time.

  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Making this happen would be very good for the line to Newcastle and would be a start to offering more road competitive services on the route remembering of course you need to 30 minutes n the light rail now before you get onto the train but nonetheless this would be a step in the right direction.

Liberals pledge $80m to realign track between Woy Woy and Sydney

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Making this happen would be very good for the line to Newcastle and would be a start to offering more road competitive services on the route remembering of course you need to 30 minutes n the light rail now before you get onto the train but nonetheless this would be a step in the right direction.

Liberals pledge $80m to realign track between Woy Woy and Sydney
x31

try 12 minutes and there are 3 extra stops at locations that didn't have stops before.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Making this happen would be very good for the line to Newcastle and would be a start to offering more road competitive services on the route remembering of course you need to 30 minutes n the light rail now before you get onto the train but nonetheless this would be a step in the right direction.

Liberals pledge $80m to realign track between Woy Woy and Sydney

try 12 minutes and there are 3 extra stops at locations that didn't have stops before.
simstrain
While it would take some serious coinage to do the job properly, it wouldn't take much to do south of Woy Woy

Cockle Creek is pi$$ easy to take out those series of bends and thus maintain line speed from the north side tunnel to the bend before Woy Woy tunnel.

Mt K to Cowan is also another just do it with a series of lower speed bends especially south of Berowra that could be removed with a few backhoes doing the earth works over a weekend before footy season starts.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

An unashamed vote buying exercise. And likely a non-cre promise.
And RTT if removal of s curves at Cockle Creek was a piece of pi$$, would have been already done. Or hasn't suited the electoral cycle.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
High speed be damned; there is no more enjoyable rail trip than Hawkesbury River to Woy Woy around Mullet Creek via Wondabyne.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Making this happen would be very good for the line to Newcastle and would be a start to offering more road competitive services on the route remembering of course you need to 30 minutes n the light rail now before you get onto the train but nonetheless this would be a step in the right direction.

Liberals pledge $80m to realign track between Woy Woy and Sydney

try 12 minutes and there are 3 extra stops at locations that didn't have stops before.
While it would take some serious coinage to do the job properly, it wouldn't take much to do south of Woy Woy

Cockle Creek is pi$$ easy to take out those series of bends and thus maintain line speed from the north side tunnel to the bend before Woy Woy tunnel.

Mt K to Cowan is also another just do it with a series of lower speed bends especially south of Berowra that could be removed with a few backhoes doing the earth works over a weekend before footy season starts.
RTT_Rules
If Mullet Creek was in Japan or China or maybe even Dubai, straightening would be easy. In NSW, in 2020, I suspect it will be impossible. There will be a frog or a bird or a mullet........

     My "solution" for what it's worth, would be straightening along Mullet Creek with the line continuing up Myron Brook before entering a tunnel and emerging onto the Tascott straight. Woy Woy would be a branchline terminus with all Gosford and long distance services bypassing Woy Woy. 'Should be a few minutes in that but I'm sure $80 million would only scratch the surface.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

High speed be damned; there is no more enjoyable rail trip than Hawkesbury River to Woy Woy around Mullet Creek via Wondabyne.
Valvegear
Relaxing in the ever dependable and comfortable too soon to be replaced V set.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

High speed be damned; there is no more enjoyable rail trip than Hawkesbury River to Woy Woy around Mullet Creek via Wondabyne.
Relaxing in the ever dependable and comfortable too soon to be replaced V set.
michaelgm
Comfortable??? Only those that never spent time on the U-boats would consider a V-set comfortable. How could one be comfortable when the seats in a V-set have an inclination to dump the sleeping commuter on the floor?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

High speed be damned; there is no more enjoyable rail trip than Hawkesbury River to Woy Woy around Mullet Creek via Wondabyne.
Valvegear

Trumped by the South Coast line's magnificent traverse around Stanwell Park, with great views to the north, south east.  Magnificent.

But ... it loses just a tiny bit ... after the first few hundred commutes.  Especially getting up at 5am to and not getting home again till after 10pm because the train averages less than 55kph.  Smile
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
I lived in Woodford from 1982 to 2010, worked in Bankstown from 82 to 91, travelled 3 times per week to care for dying Mother from about 04 to 06. Have had many long sleeps in V-sets, regularly woken by the Woodford bends, never ended up on the floor. Now the U-sets were very different, comfy seats but bounced all over the place.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

High speed be damned; there is no more enjoyable rail trip than Hawkesbury River to Woy Woy around Mullet Creek via Wondabyne.
Relaxing in the ever dependable and comfortable too soon to be replaced V set.
Comfortable??? Only those that never spent time on the U-boats would consider a V-set comfortable. How could one be comfortable when the seats in a V-set have an inclination to dump the sleeping commuter on the floor?
fzr560
Ever sat in one of those ergonomic pieces of granite substituted for seats in a Waratah or similar?
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

$80 million would barely cover the consultants fees, why announce this 1 week out from an election, no one can get details of the proposal and after the election it would be canned.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

I lived in Woodford from 1982 to 2010, worked in Bankstown from 82 to 91, travelled 3 times per week to care for dying Mother from about 04 to 06. Have had many long sleeps in V-sets, regularly woken by the Woodford bends, never ended up on the floor. Now the U-sets were very different, comfy seats but bounced all over the place.
Brianr
I also never ended up on the floor. I woke up before I made it. If you can sleep on a horizontal bench, whilst sitting upright, you are a master of commuting and worthy of respect:D.  It's amazing how we can condition ourselves to wake at certain points. For you, the Woodford bends, for me, the Union Carbide factory at Rhodes. The aroma was always......bracing.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

High speed be damned; there is no more enjoyable rail trip than Hawkesbury River to Woy Woy around Mullet Creek via Wondabyne.
Relaxing in the ever dependable and comfortable too soon to be replaced V set.
Comfortable??? Only those that never spent time on the U-boats would consider a V-set comfortable. How could one be comfortable when the seats in a V-set have an inclination to dump the sleeping commuter on the floor?
Ever sat in one of those ergonomic pieces of granite substituted for seats in a Waratah or similar?
michaelgm
Yep. The Oscars are a semi-regular "experience".
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Comfortable??? Only those that never spent time on the U-boats would consider a V-set comfortable. How could one be comfortable when the seats in a V-set have an inclination to dump the sleeping commuter on the floor?
fzr560
Have standards deteriorated? I always found the V-sets to be very comfortable, especially the (then) newer ones with yellow/orange upholstery. The older green ones could be a bit dire, but not as bad as the U-boats were by withdrawal time. This is back in the eighties and nineties when I commuted.

As to the $80m, are they going to find any new alignments that the railways themselves haven't suggested over the past 100 years or so? Pity they didn't do them when electrification went through.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Comfortable??? Only those that never spent time on the U-boats would consider a V-set comfortable. How could one be comfortable when the seats in a V-set have an inclination to dump the sleeping commuter on the floor?
Have standards deteriorated? I always found the V-sets to be very comfortable, especially the (then) newer ones with yellow/orange upholstery. The older green ones could be a bit dire, but not as bad as the U-boats were by withdrawal time. This is back in the eighties and nineties when I commuted.

As to the $80m, are they going to find any new alignments that the railways themselves haven't suggested over the past 100 years or so? Pity they didn't do them when electrification went through.
apw5910
My personal opinion only. I liked the way the U-boat seats reclined. Once you were in them, they were very hard to get out of, even when your stop was approaching. Each to his own.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
An unashamed vote buying exercise. And likely a non-cre promise.
And RTT if removal of s curves at Cockle Creek was a piece of pi$$, would have been already done. Or hasn't suited the electoral cycle.
michaelgm
Name one curve easing project carried out by any NSW govt in the last 50 years!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE

As to the $80m, are they going to find any new alignments that the railways themselves haven't suggested over the past 100 years or so? Pity they didn't do them when electrification went through.
apw5910
Who would know what the railways have over the years suggested and if what the govt is doing now differs, because it doesn't matter if the railways have suggested or not because in modern era of the railways there have been near zero realignments funded by the NSW govt to reduce travel time.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

$80 million would barely cover the consultants fees, why announce this 1 week out from an election, no one can get details of the proposal and after the election it would be canned.
theanimal

Because this government has a history of getting things done is why. There may need to be a new hawkesbury river bridge for rail as well.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

An unashamed vote buying exercise. And likely a non-cre promise.
And RTT if removal of s curves at Cockle Creek was a piece of pi$$, would have been already done. Or hasn't suited the electoral cycle.
Name one curve easing project carried out by any NSW govt in the last 50 years!
RTT_Rules
Can't. Nothing major, that I can recall, anyway.
Why? Not the piece of pi$$ you suggested above, RE S curves at Cockle Creek.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
An unashamed vote buying exercise. And likely a non-cre promise.
And RTT if removal of s curves at Cockle Creek was a piece of pi$$, would have been already done. Or hasn't suited the electoral cycle.
Name one curve easing project carried out by any NSW govt in the last 50 years!
RTT_Rules
There were a couple carried out on the North Coast Line about 20 years ago.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

An unashamed vote buying exercise. And likely a non-cre promise.
And RTT if removal of s curves at Cockle Creek was a piece of pi$$, would have been already done. Or hasn't suited the electoral cycle.
Name one curve easing project carried out by any NSW govt in the last 50 years!
Can't. Nothing major, that I can recall, anyway.
Why? Not the piece of pi$$ you suggested above, RE S curves at Cockle Creek.
michaelgm
Do you mean Cockle Creek(Newcastle) or Mullet Creek(Wondabyne)?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

An unashamed vote buying exercise. And likely a non-cre promise.
And RTT if removal of s curves at Cockle Creek was a piece of pi$$, would have been already done. Or hasn't suited the electoral cycle.
Name one curve easing project carried out by any NSW govt in the last 50 years!
There were a couple carried out on the North Coast Line about 20 years ago.
mikesyd

Done by ARTC (ie the Feds, not the NSW Gvt) IIRC

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