NSW election thread 2019

 
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Daley made a screw up with his asian comments yesterday and now today he is making another blooper over allianz and has received a legal letter from the SCG trust accusing defamation. Meanwhile Gladys is riding her new metro. Making an announcement about woy woy to hornsby and has the former pm riding coat tails with her. Meanwhile the incident in NZ has a high chance of killing off the shooters party and nobody has heard a thing from the greens.

Independents are making loud noises everywhere and may in fact have control of who is in power since it has been made clear that neither party wish to make pleasantries with the shooters.

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  ANR Assistant Commissioner

If the line had been slewed away, why wasn't it restored adjacent to the original platform? Was it based on cost or some technical reason?

I am guessing the extension made it easier to get the service restored, than it otherwise could have.

It would be great if minor parties or independents made such an outcome part of their own election "platforms".
Cost of moving half a km or more of railway line
(and fixing what ever issues there are with the platform to have a train next to it these days)

VS

Cost of building basically a wooden bridge for a trial?
RTT_Rules
They should have moved the railway line. This platform extension is another example of how money is being thrown around in Sydney with elaborate underground roads that will not ease any traffic congestion, and new stadiums, yet when it comes to the restoration of rail services in the bush, the locals have to come up with these kind of timid, beggar type, false economy, bridging solutions to make things happen. It is a bridge too far. This is why the coalition and ALP are on the nose in the bush. When the INDs are holding the balance of power after Saturday, the line will not only be duplicated and set in its rightful location next to the original platform at Milthorpe, but it will also be GOLD PLATED.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

As a taxpayer, I believe that things should be done right the first time.

If there were errors in Whitton"s time, they should have been corrected this time around, instead of wasting money on a half platform or half baked solution.

It is a one eyed view of the world where Allianz Stadium should be knocked down in its entirety for no reason, yet a 500m stretch of track cannot have it's alignment corrected/duped.

Gladys should have physically picked up the railway building and it's platform, and moved it adjacent to the current alignment.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I'm sorry but this is not money wasting ANR. Millthorpe gets a stop back and for the amount of people it will service it will do it's job perfectly fine. Sydney is getting new roads, railways, hospitals and stadiums because it hasn't had them and are needed. The NRL has been blunt to the NSW Government that Allianz and ANZ will need to be upgraded going forward to maintain the grand final and other important matches and for the relatively small amount of money these new stadiums will cost they will make money back in the form of event revenue over the next 30+ years.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

MIA candidates in the far west...


https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-20/remote-nsw-voters-say-candidates-missing-in-action/10917434?pfmredir=sm
ANR

This is a concern. Every resident in NSW in every town should have appropriate access to polling with a local booth. They shouldn't be forced to do other forms of voting.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Simstrain, I would think any residents in the far western electorate outside of Bourke and Broken Hill could seek exemption from voting based on their remote location. Wilcannia should have some polling booths. Don't their votes count? I can understand the cynicism from the locals when you take a look at the river running through the town. It is a disgrace. A garden hose would carry more water. I think the next MP responsible has a lot of work to do. Not everyone has access to a computer or internet and if voting is compulsory, then the relevant government agency -State Electoral Commission-needs to address this serious issue.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Its about time we moved away from reliance on manual voting on a single day. Online voting should be enabled and postal voting encouraged.
  allan Chief Commissioner

No. Paper ballots are not prone to computer hacking. The system is not broken, there is no need to "fix" it.

Mobile voting booths work well in remote areas, if they are used.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Its about time we moved away from reliance on manual voting on a single day. Online voting should be enabled
"RTT_Rules"
Yep - just as soon as you can convince me that  it's foolproof. Until then, forget it.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

The census denial of service is still fresh in my mind.

The level of sophistication in cyber crime these days means that nothing is safe, not even personal data from within and outside our borders. Anything can be intercepted and changed from your smart phone and your PC. I work in the IT business.

There is nothing that can replace a proven manual process with checks and balances, cardboard boxes with slits, and pop up cardboard booths.
  DL_Daily Locomotive Driver

I'm sorry but this is not money wasting ANR. Millthorpe gets a stop back and for the amount of people it will service it will do it's job perfectly fine. Sydney is getting new roads, railways, hospitals and stadiums because it hasn't had them and are needed. The NRL has been blunt to the NSW Government that Allianz and ANZ will need to be upgraded going forward to maintain the grand final and other important matches and for the relatively small amount of money these new stadiums will cost they will make money back in the form of event revenue over the next 30+ years.
simstrain
So what is wrong with the 2 stadiums that they need to waste 2.3 BILLION dollars on that for some boofheads to play football.

Can you fund this for Sydney then Simstrains as I can certainly spend the money on more important things.

Ok Allianz is a fairly old stadium opened in 1988 I grant you that but ANZ is not even 20 years old...

So NSW government of the day paid good money for the "Olympic stadium" that already needs replacing because some football club ? says so ?

Better thangs to spend on as you say, hospitals, roads and I guess railways because there apparently isn't enough railways in sydney as it is.

NO I don't know what it is like to commute in sydney as I live in the bush away from the clutter, sydney is a smeg hole any way.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Its about time we moved away from reliance on manual voting on a single day. Online voting should be enabled and postal voting encouraged.
RTT_Rules

I believe NSW does have online voting this year.

eVoting has one very fundamental problem:
  • an electronic vote can be unique.
  • an electronic vote can be anonymous.  
  • it cannot be both

A tiny physical piece of paper provides a degree of security and integrity to our voting system that digital electronics can't.

There are other reasons to continue with paper ballots IMHO.

There is a saying in IT: "To err is human, but to really screw things up you need a computer."

With our current system, small scale voter fraud is very very easy.  But one person acting alone cannot do enough to change the result of a single seat, much less an election.  Fraud large enough to make a material difference requires a conspiracy of a *lot* of people.

An electronic voting system could conceivably be compromised to the point the outcome is changed by a single person.  Of course they could well be competing against a number of better resourced state and private actors operating outside the jurisdiction applying more than one brain toward manipulating the result.  But ultimately, no matter how well secured the eVoting system is, the fundamental limitations of a virtual vote remain: unless it's uniquely identifiable, it can be copied.  

I think eVoting is coming, and will be mandatory within a decade.  But make no mistake, I think this is terrible thing for our democracy.  

The reason it'll happen is all parties want a database of all voters, and their voting history.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Its about time we moved away from reliance on manual voting on a single day. Online voting should be enabled and postal voting encouraged.
RTT_Rules
Maybe each seat can have their members elected based on the number of likes from BookFace?

Click the thumbs up to like this post!
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Its about time we moved away from reliance on manual voting on a single day. Online voting should be enabled and postal voting encouraged.
Maybe each seat can have their members elected based on the number of likes from BookFace?

Click the thumbs up to like this post!
ANR

We should let the Android AutoCorrect access Google's AI determination of your voting intentions, to "fix" any mistakes you might make filling in your online ballot.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Its about time we moved away from reliance on manual voting on a single day. Online voting should be enabled and postal voting encouraged.

I believe NSW does have online voting this year.

eVoting has one very fundamental problem:
  • an electronic vote can be unique.
  • an electronic vote can be anonymous.  
  • it cannot be both

A tiny physical piece of paper provides a degree of security and integrity to our voting system that digital electronics can't.

There are other reasons to continue with paper ballots IMHO.

There is a saying in IT: "To err is human, but to really screw things up you need a computer."

With our current system, small scale voter fraud is very very easy.  But one person acting alone cannot do enough to change the result of a single seat, much less an election.  Fraud large enough to make a material difference requires a conspiracy of a *lot* of people.

An electronic voting system could conceivably be compromised to the point the outcome is changed by a single person.  Of course they could well be competing against a number of better resourced state and private actors operating outside the jurisdiction applying more than one brain toward manipulating the result.  But ultimately, no matter how well secured the eVoting system is, the fundamental limitations of a virtual vote remain: unless it's uniquely identifiable, it can be copied.  

I think eVoting is coming, and will be mandatory within a decade.  But make no mistake, I think this is terrible thing for our democracy.  

The reason it'll happen is all parties want a database of all voters, and their voting history.
djf01
Yes true.

However in the mean time the checking done prior to actually voting should certainly be electronic and required ID.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Yes true.

However in the mean time the checking done prior to actually voting should certainly be electronic and required ID.
RTT_Rules

I don't agree with that either (ID).  

Basically, everyone should vote.  As we've seen in the USA - where the voting process is highly politicised - all sorts of shenanigans go on by state governments to disenfranchise voters who might vote against the party in power.  

What problem is demanding ID from someone solving?  

As far as I can see, it's only needed if some voters are rendered ineligible for some reason - which (IMHO) will always be nefarious.  

ID should only be required if you turn up at the polling booth and the volunteer there says "Sorry Mr RTT_RULES, your name is not on the electoral role".  In this case, you should be able to say "BS, the roll is stuffed up somehow, here is proof of my identity and address, please give me a ballot and an electoral roll update form".

Personally, I don't think enough people are appreciative of just how well our low tech system works.
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

I'm sorry but this is not money wasting ANR. Millthorpe gets a stop back and for the amount of people it will service it will do it's job perfectly fine. Sydney is getting new roads, railways, hospitals and stadiums because it hasn't had them and are needed. The NRL has been blunt to the NSW Government that Allianz and ANZ will need to be upgraded going forward to maintain the grand final and other important matches and for the relatively small amount of money these new stadiums will cost they will make money back in the form of event revenue over the next 30+ years.
simstrain
I'd hardly call $730,000,000 a "small amount of money" to rebuild, not upgrade, Allianz Stadium.  It's obscene.  The SMH today released a secret document prepared for the SCG Trust to upgrade Allianz to meet current safety standards for $18,000,000, which until today had been suppressed.  It's not a good look.  It's a stretch to call a 30 year old stadium "old".  Even the original architect, Phillip Cox, disputed that the stadium was unsafe.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Why was the line slewed away from Milthorpe?

The XPT driver explains in the video below.

Bring on the new stadium.



https://youtu.be/axQN4pn_DbA
  Just The Tip Locomotive Driver

Location: Danger zone
Why was the line slewed away from Milthorpe?

The XPT driver explains in the video below.

Bring on the new stadium.



https://youtu.be/axQN4pn_DbA
ANR
Seems like a legitimate, trusted source.

Why are you still going on about this? The people of Milthorpe are happy. The tax payers of NSW are happy. Even the majority on Railpage are happy.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Why am I still going on about Milthorpe? Because this is an election thread. As a tax payer, I have an issue with how my money is being wasted on stadiums that do not require demolition, and not on services needed by my fellow taxpayers, especially outside of the capital of the universe.

I was showing the double standard between the money spent on the demolition of a perfectly good Stadium that could have only had a few millions spent on it for safety upgrades, and the crappy short bridging platform given to people in the bush at one particular stop. The track should have been realigned against the original platform.

It's the smell of money from public asset sales being squandered. We have only one chance to invest it wisely that will benefit everyone in the state, but so far, Sydney remains the only place where the spending is visible ... and mainly on its congestion. How about spending the money to ease the congestion by enticing people to move out of Sydney? Give them better transport options, hospital facilities, better schools, tafes and training. I am not going to the polling booth tomorrow to elect another mayor of Sydney.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Its about time we moved away from reliance on manual voting on a single day. Online voting should be enabled and postal voting encouraged.
RTT_Rules

I disagree with this because there would be inherent security issues and then foreign governments would try to use this to there advantage. Voting should always remain on pen and paper to keep the election safe from interference.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

My only issue is that the new stadium will only hold 40,000 odd seats when I believe it should be designed for 50,000 at a minimum. All the nice new areas for eating and all the extra toilets will be a huge upgrade when at an event.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

As for you ANR did you want Milthorpe to have an expensive brand spanking new 8 car platform with double tracks just to pick up a handful of passengers a day. Now that would have been a waste of money.

The reason why Sydney gets that money spent is because there is 5 million of us and most of the money generated by the state is in Sydney and it's surrounds. Sydney is a tourist destination and Allianz was not up to snuff for what NSW needs in the future. The new Parramatta stadium is a perfect example of what will happen to Allianz. Maybe you should come to Sydney and go check out an NRL game at Parramatta in a few weeks to see why these new stadiums are needed and the old ones demolished.

The difference between the older O'Reilly, Churchill and Brewongle stands at the SCG and the newer trumper, bradman and noble stands is a perfect example of why these allianz stadium need replacing. The wheelchair access is another thing that is so much better in these newer stadiums.

ANZ is just a remnant from the Olympics that doesn't fit with either rectangular sports or the big oval sports. Something needs to be done about that as well.
  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

Why was the line slewed away from Milthorpe?

The XPT driver explains in the video below.

Bring on the new stadium.



https://youtu.be/axQN4pn_DbA
ANR
The clip linked here is only part of a ride on the XPT, beginning in Lithgow. The driver is both informative and entertaining, well worth a look.

Stadiums. Venue users have implied, upgrade or major events may be taken elsewhere. Why not simply say that.
Allianz will be likely impossible to repair and rebuild, now, given demolition that has occurred.

Have received robo calls from Gladys, Daley, Mark Latham, local member and a person claiming to be a nurse. Bring on 6PM tomorrow.

Libs in to $1.35 labor at $2.80ish.

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