Geelong high speed rail and electrification

 
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Does anyone here have any idea what works are taking place alongside the up section of tracks outside Wyndham Vale station? They've been digging away the entire eastern embankment there for a month or more.
Tony M.
Maintenance depot for the Vlocity fleet (replacing the current depot In West Melbourne)

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

No maintenance although the site has room for one in future. Just stabling for now.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Does anyone here have any idea what works are taking place alongside the up section of tracks outside Wyndham Vale station? They've been digging away the entire eastern embankment there for a month or more.
Maintenance depot for the Vlocity fleet (replacing the current depot In West Melbourne)
Nightfire
Wrong .  Everything in central area stays as is .  With the increased VLocity  fleet there is lack of space to stable trains  between the peaks . This site is being developed Stage - 1 to stable 6 x 6 car VL sets during the day . No servicing .
The cutting being gouged out behind the jersey barriers between the existing down track and Ballan Road overbridge suggests there will be an extra dead ended shunting lead where the Down MT cars will arrive clear of the main line, then drive back into the stabling roads opposite the stock feed plant . The diagrams on the website do NOT reflect what is actually being constructed , making it confusing .  

Medium term when Wyndham Vale gets sparked  Stage 2 sees this area enlargened and it becomes spark servicing & stabling no doubt as per the original RRL concept plans .
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Everything in central area stays as is .
kuldalai

Some VLo stabling is being lost to the West Gate Tunnel connection to Wurundjeri Way. This facility merely replaces that (with perhaps a couple of extra roads).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Does anyone here have any idea what works are taking place alongside the up section of tracks outside Wyndham Vale station? They've been digging away the entire eastern embankment there for a month or more.
Tony M.

V'Locity Train storage which MUST be completed by October this year because of the Westlink tunnel...or whatever it's being called now.

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

EXCLUSIVE A 200KMH bullet train halving travel times between Melbourne and Geelong will form the centrepiece of a $2 billion Budget commitment from the federal government.

The nation’s first high-speed rail project would cut the journey between Southern Cross Station and Geelong to 32 minutes, and would connect to the Melbourne Metro now being built and the planned Airport Rail Link.

Construction is likely to begin within 18 months.

The European-style Geelong link, estimated to cost at least $4 billion and expected to take 10 years to complete, will require matching funding from the Victorian government.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison will unveil his promise today, while stumping up another $40 million to kickstart a 20-year vision of “fast rail” links to Traralgon, in the state’s east, and ­Wodonga, in the northeast.

Mr Morrison told the Herald Sun the investment would return time to commuters and enable more people to live in the regions.

It would also help ease the gridlock on the West Gate Bridge and Princes Freeway, which carries more than 54,000 cars and trucks every day.

CONTINUED PAGE 6 FROM PAGE 1 The Prime Minister said: “This is all part of our plan to manage population growth that I announced this week, to take the pressure off our big cities like Melbourne and make our regional cities like Geelong even more attractive places to live and work.

“As our population grows, fast rail networks are crucial to easing the congestion pressures in our cities and shaping Australia’s future.” The government will create a National Fast Rail Agency to work with states, the private sector, and local communities to determine priorities and oversee fast-rail projects.

The fast trains would travel at average speeds of 160kmh, and would use the new track to be built from Southern Cross to Sunshine as part of the rail link to Melbourne airport. They would stop at Sunshine station, before likely running express to Geelong.

The entire line from Sunshine to Geelong will have to be upgraded, and there would be a big revamp of Geelong railway station. A business case would consider whether the fast trains would stop at other stations along the way.

Though tipped to finish by 2030, the project could be completed sooner, depending n how quickly the airport rail link is completed.

The project builds on the $1.6 billion injection by the Commonwealth into Victoria’s ageing regional rail network which includes extra services, upgrades of stations, and faster trips to all corners of the state.

It could also link into the Andrews Government’s ambitious suburban rail loop, which aims to connect every major Melbourne railway line.

The project could boost the government’s chances of retaining the seat of Corangamite, held by Sarah Henderson by just 0.03 per cent.

Labor, which also has an ambitious high-speed rail agenda, will be under pressure to honour the commitment should it win May’s election.
Herald Sun

So, exactly as we hoped - if ScoMo wins the election that is...
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

So it will share the Airport tracks to Sunshine, similar to services over HS1 in England.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

40km/h increase for 4 Billion
Come on now, at least have it travel at 250km/h
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Since 2004 we've basically had a full line rebuild between Corio & Werribee (RFR) and Manor Junction and Southern Cross (RRL) at a cost of how many billion??

Now the Federal Coalition propose to spend another how many billion on another rebuild?

What a waste of public money!

Just give us Geelong commuters a reliable service, that's all we ask.
  res1psaloqu1tur Station Staff

This is better news than none, but why is there this insistence on calling it 'European style'?

A duck is a duck. You may wish to call it a swan, but at the end of the day it will still be a duck.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Sarah Henderson did not have all the detail for the investment but said it was predicted on the Victorian’s contributing the same.
  scumcock Locomotive Fireman

The only realistic way I can see them halving travel times is to build the fast rail as a complete stand alone set of tracks and as stated above express sunshine to geelong.But even just getting to sunshine it could loose 10 mins easy the project has merit just needs to be well thought out not making it stop everywhere and remove the problem of getting stuck behind an all stopper unfortunantly in there infinite wisdom they have removed basically all locations an all stopper can be overtaken I would also like too see it fully fenced and or a skyrail type setup as hitting concrete sleepers at 200+ is kinda scary let alove at 160 as happened recently always cater for lowest common denominator.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/morrison-can-t-deliver-geelong-rail-plan-for-4b-minister-claims-20190322-p516i1.html

The state government is, shall we say, not on board. They are talking $10-15 billion for the project - and yes, that's a "b", so presumably the business case is being done with the same Monopoly money as airport rail. Mind you, I did think $4b was a little on the low side for whatever was actually being proposed.

Frankly I have no idea who is talking more nonsense, Ms Allan or Mr Tudge, but I'm inclined to listen more to the state government because a) they've actually managed to do a few things these last years instead of whatever the feds have been doing, and b) they aren't trying to win an election.

With that in mind I'd hazard a guess the state wants $10b to do the job properly by sparking and quadding to WV and Melton, plus a new Sunshine-CBD route, but ScoMo's apparatchiks have told him $4b will cover an extra track pair from Sunshine to Geelong, with no auxiliary works.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

predicated?
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Opinion piece in The Age

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/fast-rail-to-geelong-do-they-really-think-we-re-that-stupid-20190322-p516kh.html

And yes, the heading carries the line "Do they really think we're that stupid?"

Rick
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Article https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/federal-government-pledges-2b-for-melbournegeelong-fast-rail is stating 32 minutes between the states two largest cities.  The plan uses the existing alignment and would probably work?
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Opinion piece in The Age

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/fast-rail-to-geelong-do-they-really-think-we-re-that-stupid-20190322-p516kh.html

And yes, the heading carries the line "Do they really think we're that stupid?"

Rick
RustyRick

Clay Lucas is being a little blunt in choice of words, but overall I can't see anything wrong with his assessment.  

Morrison has dreamt this up at the last minute to try and save some furniture in Vic seats, the state government (who would need to stump up a big chunk of $$$ for this to even get to planning stage) hasn't been given any time to actually respond, and the public aren't going to buy it.  So yes, I think he thinks voters are stupid.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Opinion piece in The Age

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/fast-rail-to-geelong-do-they-really-think-we-re-that-stupid-20190322-p516kh.html

And yes, the heading carries the line "Do they really think we're that stupid?"

Rick

Clay Lucas is being a little blunt in choice of words, but overall I can't see anything wrong with his assessment.  

Morrison has dreamt this up at the last minute to try and save some furniture in Vic seats, the state government (who would need to stump up a big chunk of $$$ for this to even get to planning stage) hasn't been given any time to actually respond, and the public aren't going to buy it.  So yes, I think he thinks voters are stupid.
Adogs
No, he thinks that Undecided Voters are stupid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu8FOTwM2U
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
My first thought is to think back to the last Victorian elections and the wipe-out of the opposition.

My second thought goes back to the first ever diagrams of track to and through Wyndham Vale and underpasses to join the Werribee-Geelong line. It was for a 4-track main. Shocked
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I do love that so many of us have seen those diagrams and not one has managed to save it for posterity. I'll put out the appeal again: if anyone has any early RRL concept diagrams we would love to see them. Just for historical interest.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

How can you achieve an average speed of 160km/hr, when the V/Locity top speed is 160?
How much of the $4b is for new tracks, and how much is for new trains? And how much of it is for wires, given 'European style high speed trains' are electric?
Look, if you can buy duplication, electrification, and new trains for $4bn, then that's an absolute bargain. The man's a genius.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
How can you achieve an average speed of 160km/hr, when the V/Locity top speed is 160?
bramt
Something to keep in mind.

Siemens trains have a top speed of 225kph.
The software has wound them back to their current performance.

Xtraps are in a somewhat similar wind-back situation, as Peter Vincent reported a test on Xtraps going Upper Gully - Upwey with the software at 100%; the front three cars were cut out and the back pushed the lot up 1 in 33 at 78kmh (if memory serves me aright - this was a long time ago) . So you will understand that some of our rolling stock has a lot of unused (performance capacity) (power) ...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Vlocity trains will not be used and a new EMU will probably be ordered to provide the service.  Those Vlocity units made available could be deployed on the Geelong-Ballarat-Maryborough services and Echuca and other network pairs.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Vlocity trains will not be used and a new EMU will probably be ordered to provide the service.  Those Vlocity units made available could be deployed on the Geelong-Ballarat-Maryborough services and Echuca and other network pairs.
bevans
????

You must have read a different press release than I did to be so certain about what is promised.

The only real detail in the Morrison government promise was quadruplication between Sunshine and Wyndham Vale, connecting at Sunshine with the new line to Southern Cross.

The rest was wavy hands stuff. There was no mention of electrification, no mention of significant improvements between Wyndham Vale and Geelong (e.g. grade separation), and certainly no mention of new rolling stock.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Vlocity trains will not be used and a new EMU will probably be ordered to provide the service.  Those Vlocity units made available could be deployed on the Geelong-Ballarat-Maryborough services and Echuca and other network pairs.
????

You must have read a different press release than I did to be so certain about what is promised.

The only real detail in the Morrison government promise was quadruplication between Sunshine and Wyndham Vale, connecting at Sunshine with the new line to Southern Cross.

The rest was wavy hands stuff. There was no mention of electrification, no mention of significant improvements between Wyndham Vale and Geelong (e.g. grade separation), and certainly no mention of new rolling stock.
historian
I think bevans read the RRA spin on events by the inclusion of a certain cross-country line...

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