1022 & Valley Heights

 
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
Still on an X10, so its close enough  8)

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  TBP Minister for Railways

Location: Singleton
X or Z?
Some people call the the Z10 class as well.
42 from 22 that's only 20 digits apart.
And I'm the one who started this thread so anything on the X10 goes on in this one, I might have to re-name it.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
X or Z?
Some people call the the Z10 class as well.
"SMR30"


Definately X. The X classification covered all 10 class which was for all the small workshop type locomotives, and other self propelled (including breakdown cranes) vehicles. Z was for early and obselete classes of locomotives.
  Jimbob4204 Train Controller

well what a topic this turned out to be. first, let me say that having 103A running again is great news. having said that Valley heights is the best of a bad bunch. still in a high fire risk area (so is loftus if anybody had forgotten!!) but close to sydney (the down fall of many pres' groups).
Duffy, thank you for your take on things here. just read 6 pages of side splitters. wonderful stuff.
on joining preservation groups in general, i urge anybody thinking of joining one or another group to do so. firstly, you $20, $40 or even $60 will be wanted, and appreciated (especially by the smaller groups!!) forget the justification in it, just *$ing do it! make it a resolution. its my money, i earn it, i spend it, get over it!!
on having opinions, thats ok, just think of what you are saynig though. some people might only think you are an idiot, but as soon as you say/write something stupid, everyone knows your an idiot!! thats all i will say on that. i speak from regretted experience!
1308- don't think i will ever see it run. would be nicew, but is a pipe dream. if a loco could be purchasedf from RTM, 1076 would be my choice. small, light, easy to truck around the state, AND is the one of two locos that with out anything more than a fibreglass face looks exactley like a certain Blue tank loco from sodor. tell me im wrong on that!! even down to the splasher over the front driver and porthole cab windows!! imagine the money in that loco for groups such as RTM/ARHS/Railcrap.

with that i leave you all to a happy new year. here endith the ramblings....
  TBP Minister for Railways

Location: Singleton
1308- don't think i will ever see it run. would be nicew, but is a pipe dream. if a loco could be purchasedf from RTM, 1076 would be my choice. small, light, easy to truck around the state, AND is the one of two locos that with out anything more than a fibreglass face looks exactley like a certain Blue tank loco from sodor. tell me im wrong on that!! even down to the splasher over the front driver and porthole cab windows!! imagine the money in that loco for groups such as RTM/ARHS/Railcrap.

1076 railly 1804 would need most likely a new boiler and new tanks to start off with. I had a look at the two, 1803 is in slightly better condition then 1804.
I only found the bunker of 1308, while I was behind 2705 haeding for Buxton. Also driving wheels are near the loco shed.

well what a topic this turned out to be. first, let me say that having 103A running again is great news. having said that Valley heights is the best of a bad bunch. still in a high fire risk area (so is loftus if anybody had forgotten!!) but close to sydney (the down fall of many pres' groups).
Duffy, thank you for your take on things here. just read 6 pages of side splitters. wonderful stuff.
on joining preservation groups in general, i urge anybody thinking of joining one or another group to do so. firstly, you $20, $40 or even $60 will be wanted, and appreciated (especially by the smaller groups!!) forget the justification in it, just do it! make it a resolution. its my money, i earn it, i spend it, get over it!!

That is so true, There are a lot of people who love photograthing, and chasing steam tours, but never seem to want to join a museum. I am active with RVRM, I've been a member since 1998, and I will be till the day I die. I'm also a NSWRTM member, but cause I live about three hours away, I am happy to support it by being a member as well as extra donations. When ever I meet new people with the steam intrest in the Hunter Valley, I always put in a word or two for RVRM.
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT

Duffy, thank you for your take on things here. just read 6 pages of side splitters. wonderful stuff.
"Jimbob4204"


Glad you liked it

Although, Im not quite sure how you get 6 pages
  DD-19 Chief Train Controller

Back in the mid 1980's some people at the ST&RPS wanted a 18 class instead of 1308, with the claim that it would be a lot cheaper to restore and operate within the park instead of the 13. South Builli no 2 was another option. I think parrametta council started to get concerned with some of the larger items such as 1308, the FA and the CPH moved in the park at that time.

The board were dead set against the small loco idea and initally wanted 2029, as it represented the type of locomotive used on light railways such as Yass, Castle Hill etc, 1308 was the 2nd choice. Parts where taken off 1307.

Some of the ex-board members had (and still have) some crazy ideas, like getting a 42 or 48 class in parra park, or proposing schemes for a rail connection off the western line and erecting a roundhouse with turntable in the park. Others thought it was better (whiteanting a good word) to serve another group (the D group) instead of the one they were supposed to be running.

In my 10 years as a member in the 1980's I can honestly say the group restored nothing during that time, execpt to allow crap to accumulate around that dipulated shed.

I think 1308 can run again the boiler was in okay condition, the loco was basically just rusty , from years of disuse, , i believe the society got a substantial insurance payout after the park fire, but not sure about that. If they have anymoney left now, it would be better spent on 1308 instead of 1022.
  Jimbob4204 Train Controller

1076 railly 1804 would need most likely a new boiler and new tanks to start off with. I had a look at the two, 1803 is in slightly better condition then 1804.

1803 can stay as the 18class rep for preservation, and 1076 can get the thomas look. new boiler, new tanks, from a gold mine such as that, you can expec t to be costs. as with any loco.
That is so true, There are a lot of people who love photograthing, and chasing steam tours, but never seem to want to join a museum.
thats because they go and get wrapped up in trains all over and can't keep still long enough to join a group.
I am active with RVRM, I've been a member since 1998, and I will be till the day I die.

i've heard that before. you aren't counting the politics factor. every society has politics and politicians. this is always going to happen but this is also the easiest way to loose great members aswell
Some of the ex-board members had (and still have) some crazy ideas, like getting a 42 or 48 class in parra park, or proposing schemes for a rail connection off the western line and erecting a roundhouse with turntable in the park.

i will find something for you all when i am next at work for what was proposed for Parra park. quite the eye opener. watch this space.
  Jas_3001 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the Workshop working on Secret Project X.

1076 railly 1804 would need most likely a new boiler and new tanks to start off with. I had a look at the two, 1803 is in slightly better condition then 1804.
I only found the bunker of 1308, while I was behind 2705 haeding for Buxton. Also driving wheels are near the loco shed.
"SMR30"


You wound not be able to tell the condition of the boiler just by looking at it. It may have surface rust on it BIG DEAL that doesnt mean that it is claped out. Thats what some of you people on here dont get. The same applys to comparing the condtion of both 1802 and 1804 you wouldnt be able to tell which one is in better condition just looking at it one may be in a better condition mechanically than the other but it could have a really crapy paint job on it. It sounds like to me that you are comparing which loco is wearing the better paint.

Paul other parts of the 13 class are in a S truck and the boiler and the side tanks are near the loco shed BUT are out side the fence next to the loop line. I dont know where the wheels are but. But you saw more than the bunker you saw the whole frame.
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT

1076 railly 1804 would need most likely a new boiler and new tanks to start off with. I had a look at the two, 1803 is in slightly better condition then 1804.
I only found the bunker of 1308, while I was behind 2705 haeding for Buxton. Also driving wheels are near the loco shed.
"SMR30"


You wound not be able to tell the condition of the boiler just by looking at it. It may have surface rust on it BIG DEAL that doesnt mean that it is claped out. Thats what some of you people on here dont get. The same applys to comparing the condtion of both 1802 and 1804 you wouldnt be able to tell which one is in better condition just looking at it one may be in a better condition mechanically than the other but it could have a really crapy paint job on it. It sounds like to me that you are comparing which loco is wearing the better paint.

Paul other parts of the 13 class are in a S truck and the boiler and the side tanks are near the loco shed BUT are out side the fence next to the loop line. I dont know where the wheels are but. But you saw more than the bunker you saw the whole frame.
"Jas_3001"


I think his got the driving wheels in the right place.  There are what I assume to be four 5ft 7 drivers at the turntable end of the shed and apparently a Bissel truck as well
  TBP Minister for Railways

Location: Singleton
You wound not be able to tell the condition of the boiler just by looking at it. It may have surface rust on it BIG DEAL that doesnt mean that it is claped out. Thats what some of you people on here dont get. The same applys to comparing the condtion of both 1802 and 1804 you wouldnt be able to tell which one is in better condition just looking at it one may be in a better condition mechanically than the other but it could have a really crapy paint job on it. It sounds like to me that you are comparing which loco is wearing the better paint.


I was once down that area with a RTM member I have not seen since 2003, he's first name was Phil, and he really loves the 38's. I was talking about the tanks, as I saw no holes in 1803, but some in 1076.
The 18 class are a attractive looking locomotive. It wasn't till I looked in the cab that I saw that they are right side driven locos. I am thankfull that the NSWRTM were able to save them, cause if it wasn't for the museum this nice looking tank locos would all just be preserved in books, videos and models only.

When I met you in the loco shed Jason, and while the nanny was backing out, that's where I saw the wheels.
This was back in July.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
I have to admit that 1022 will take a long time for them to restore, but it will take less time than 1308, 1076, Sth Bulli no.2, 1047, SMR22, or any other loco that belongs to some other society. I realize we'd all love to see more operational steam in preservation, but perhaps its not up to us to be generous and give away engines that belong to theRTM, ILRSM, DSRM, RVRM.  Rolling Eyes
  TBP Minister for Railways

Location: Singleton
Also I fogot to ad. How some people like Main Northern, sorry to say, when he's see's a loco will automatically say what a loco's condition is like.
Say like 24 at RVRM, it's boiler is in good condition from last inspection back in 1998. But M.N is like "that loco will take for ever to get going again", it requires a simple boiler lift, it's tanks have no leaks, it's side rods are still greased, we make sure no parts are becoming Ceased up. And the only thing that is stopping it getting overhauled now is BHP steam crain No.5, Kathleen and BHP diesel No. 53. All are undergoing verious repairs, restorations and overhauls, and it is hard enough getting those three completed.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
?????? I wasn't criticizing them for taking a long time on 1022, its a very big job to restore any steam engine.[/quote]
  TBP Minister for Railways

Location: Singleton
?????? I wasn't criticizing them for taking a long time on 1022, its a very big job to restore any steam engine


I wasn't criticizing you at all.
  Jimbob4204 Train Controller

ladies go change your knickers and have a cold shower
  DD-19 Chief Train Controller


i will find something for you all when i am next at work for what was proposed for Parra park. quite the eye opener. watch this space.


Golf course?  

I have to admit that 1022 will take a long time for them to restore, but it will take less time than 1308



1022 was badly damaged in the fire, cracked cast iron cylinders which need welding which is a band aid solution,  not too sure about the frame, but needs tubeplate repairs, many parts missing,  

When they pulled apart 1308 it was in fairly good condition at the time, in better condition than 1307, 1308 was used as a stationary steam unit in the early 1970's,  but one would have to assume parts have been lost or stolen over the years.
  Jimbob4204 Train Controller


i will find something for you all when i am next at work for what was proposed for Parra park. quite the eye opener. watch this space.


Golf course?
"DD-19"


diagram showing the full loop around western part parra park. with two designs for the sheds in the westmead corner of it.
  tezza Chief Commissioner

For years the tramway operation at Parramatta Park gave the public and railway enthuisiasts the impression that it was run and operated by a pack of bubble headed boobies .
        You just had to witness the condition of the shed , track , locos and rollingstock to justify that impression. With the move to Valley Heights little has changed in the way the group appears to be managed .
        At Parramatta as everyone knows , the collection was housed in a timber and corrugated iron shed with little room to move and the majority of the exhibits were lost in an arson attack.
        Why then did they  move the remainder of what was left of the collection  into another timber and corrugated iron shed , in a   bushfire  prone area , obtain replacement rolling stock for restoration , leave it out in the open next to the bush and then risk it all again by loosing one of the replacement vehicles in a bushfire
  bordercollie9401 Beginner

How is 1022 progressing? And when is it expected to re-enter service?
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
For years the tramway operation at Parramatta Park gave the public and railway enthuisiasts the impression that it was run and operated by a pack of bubble headed boobies .
tezza
That's a bit unfair. I learnt a lot about re-railing trains with whatever was lying around at Parramatta Park!

(Yes I know I'm replying to a 13yo post).

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