Bombardier 700 Series Electric Multiple Unit

 
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

A question regrading seating arrangements.  I heard on the ABC the seats are all facing one way and that when returning all PAX are forced to ride backwards with many becoming motion sick.  Any truth in this or is the media hamming it up as usual.
phil_48
This probably happened on a tilt train service once as they made not have been able to spin the train around.

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  coachdriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Rocky
Tks KRviator.  From your diagram it looks the media has a point as the majority do appear to face one way.
phil_48
As best I can tell, it's pretty much the same seating arrangement as every other train running around the suburbs.  This arrangement has never been a problem before. Can someone tell me what's suddenly happened that it's become an issue, or is it a case that the media's favourite hobby of late seems to be QR bashing?  

Considering QR had no input to the design, tendering or construction, and do not even own the new trains, maybe the stones are being thrown in the wrong direction.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I'm with Coachdriver - looks to be exactly the same as every other EMU running around the Brisbane network. Carriage end seating facing inwards, sidewall seats in the vestibule, the seats towards the centre section face the ends of the carriage. Barring any minor variations with the seating towards the ends, there's nothing revolutionary about it.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It looks pretty well balanced to me, and would probably be within a couple of seats off being equal (depending on the number/location of equipment cabinets, Bombardier don't tend to duplicate) if the other end car was also shown.

Perhaps the complaints are coming from people who have boarded a train at the terminus and used the closest door? Having most seats in the rearmost car facing backwards is a deliberate move in seating layout design, as it provides an incentive for people to move further down the platform where they will use intermediate cars or find the opposite situation at the other end.
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
Thanks all for that info.  As usual it looks parts of the media picked one small item and blew it up to get more listeners.  On the Cleveland line ( just like the old days of the Cleveland/Lota branch when this was the dumping ground for old northside stock and locos ) we will most likely be the last to see 700's anyway.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Logic tells us having half the seats in the main section facing each way on a train that works either direction means half the seats thus always face forwards without staff having to turn them.
  Brucetiki Station Staff

I'm with Coachdriver - looks to be exactly the same as every other EMU running around the Brisbane network. Carriage end seating facing inwards, sidewall seats in the vestibule, the seats towards the centre section face the ends of the carriage. Barring any minor variations with the seating towards the ends, there's nothing revolutionary about it.
KRviator

Not to mention similar to many other trains in the country - the 3000's/4000's in Adelaide and the Siemans in Victoria, for example.
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
NGR, number unknown, performing test stops and starts through Wynnum North in both directions.  As it did not take long to return I suspect it only went as far as Manly, unless there are 2 sets in operation.
  Skyblue1 Chief Train Controller

Seen set 747 today at Milton on test.
  Skyblue1 Chief Train Controller

Seen 743 heading to Kippa-Ring so guess it’s now in service
  Skyblue1 Chief Train Controller

744 is working Redcliffe trains today
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
First use of NGR's on regular Cleveland services started today. Saw my first one leaving Wynnum North Cleveland bound at 0824.  Could not catch number.
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
700's only used on Cleveland line on weekdays.

Noting 2 red uniformed assistants mid platform to help disabled all day.  They swap platforms when necessary.  Wynnum Nth only staffed weekday mornings, so only 1 extra helper on over this period.
  phil_48 Chief Train Controller

Location: Wynnum North
Extra mid platform staff also helping Guards at the rear of the 700's with right-away on curved stations like Wynnum North.
  rainynight65 Locomotive Fireman

Up until last week, four or five NGR700 sets were parked outside of the Redbank Workshops. They're all gone now.
  Skyblue1 Chief Train Controller

NGR751 on Redcliffe runs today.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Nice work if you can get it Razz

Bombardier signs contract to upgrade trains for the Queensland New Generation Rollingstock (NGR) project in Australia

Can anyone provide an update on how many unmodified sets are in service please?
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Nice work if you can get it Razz

Bombardier signs contract to upgrade trains for the Queensland New Generation Rollingstock (NGR) project in Australia

Can anyone provide an update on how many unmodified sets are in service please?
bingley hall
According to the latest post on Rail Back on Track RBoT NGR some 49 are working  
Sets 701, 702, 715, 731 are yet to enter service with everything else up to 753 in use

Neil

Edit: interesting that Bombadier have gotten some money to fix these after the whole design mess with these trains, especially after EDI were widely touted as being the one to do the rectification work. Mind you, can't really blame Bombadier for the whole mess after they tried to warn the Qld Government about non DDA-compliance before construction had even begun.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Nice work if you can get it Razz

Bombardier signs contract to upgrade trains for the Queensland New Generation Rollingstock (NGR) project in Australia

Can anyone provide an update on how many unmodified sets are in service please?
According to the latest post on Rail Back on Track RBoT NGR some 49 are working  
Sets 701, 702, 715, 731 are yet to enter service with everything else up to 753 in use

Neil

Edit: interesting that Bombadier have gotten some money to fix these after the whole design mess with these trains, especially after EDI were widely touted as being the one to do the rectification work. Mind you, can't really blame Bombadier for the whole mess after they tried to warn the Qld Government about non DDA-compliance before construction had even begun.
ngarner

Thanks.

Even the Executive Summary is pretty ponderous, but this sums it all up New Generation Rollingstock Train Commission of Inquiry

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