Terroirsm strikes in Christchurch

 
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Meanwhile, the Turkish President (not to let a political opportunity go to waste) repeatedly shows the shooter's video at political rallies with his supporters chanting "Let's go and destroy Europe":


While at the same time the OIC "urged all countries to refrain from statements and policies that associate Islam with terror and extremism.":

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-23/new-zealand-turkey-gallipoli-threats-put-aside/10932112

All a bit two-faced.  The honor/shame dynamic at work I suppose.
Carnot
Politicians willuse what ever information they can if they believe it will give them an electoral advantage. Main stream politicins in Aus have done and will do this as well.

woodford

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The accused terrorist is being housed in a Maximum Security section of Auckland Prison, he was flown there by the NZ defence force apparently - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/no-visitors-for-accused-nz-mosque-shooter/ar-BBV9avI?ocid=spartanntp
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Exceptional article by Muslim writer Shadi Hamid in Foreign Policy magazine that's well worth a read:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/21/murderous-white-nationalism-isnt-insanity-new-zealand-christchurch/
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The accused terrorist is being housed in a Maximum Security section of Auckland Prison, he was flown there by the NZ defence force apparently - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/no-visitors-for-accused-nz-mosque-shooter/ar-BBV9avI?ocid=spartanntp
lsrailfan
Continued use of not using his name ever in media, court (where possible) and in future the jail is the best outcome for this FW and likely worse than capital punishment.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The accused terrorist is being housed in a Maximum Security section of Auckland Prison, he was flown there by the NZ defence force apparently - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/no-visitors-for-accused-nz-mosque-shooter/ar-BBV9avI?ocid=spartanntp
Continued use of not using his name ever in media, court (where possible) and in future the jail is the best outcome for this FW and likely worse than capital punishment.
RTT_Rules
Add to that - put him on trial for murder as a common criminal, not as a terrorist.

And if possible, the prosecution should avoid the use of his self-promotional live video in making their case before the court.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Some of you should listen to this, it shows why dismissing the gunman as evil nutter, refusing to say his name and so on is no solution, just a way to make yourself feel righteous.

https://samharris.org/podcasts/121-white-power/
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Some of you should listen to this, it shows why dismissing the gunman as evil nutter, refusing to say his name and so on is no solution, just a way to make yourself feel righteous.

https://samharris.org/podcasts/121-white-power/
billybaxter
I suppose you already feel self righteous enough by lecturing others how they should speak of an obviously evil nutter. I just don't know what to make of your comments?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Talking of speeches, an own-goal at an anti-Islamophobia event in NZ last week:
  stooge spark Train Controller

Brandon Tarrant is now going to go through a mental health assessment, Won't be out of custody till June.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-05/christchurch-shooter-ordered-to-undergo-mental-health-assessment/10973748
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Brandon Tarrant is now going to go through a mental health assessment, Won't be out of custody till June.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-05/christchurch-shooter-ordered-to-undergo-mental-health-assessment/10973748
stooge spark
I am quite sure he will not 'be out of custody' in June. That is just his next court appearance.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Brianr, and even then I would expect that such an appearance will be via video.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Brianr, and even then I would expect that such an appearance will be via video.
Aaron
Apparently the only suitable maximum security prison is in Auckland. It was shown on the news tonight and is fairly modern. the prisoner has a wing to himself, no TV nor newspapers, no visitors (I guess except the govt provided legal representatives). He has complained but, while not usual, apparently they can deprive him of these things. I am not sorry for him.
As the crimes were committed in Christchurch, I think the High court proceedings must be held there. They flew him to Auckland in a military plane and are most unlikely to provide him with a plane back for just a brief appearance as today. I do not know what will happen when the real trial gets underway.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Talking of speeches, an own-goal at an anti-Islamophobia event in NZ last week:
Carnot

Certainly wasn't the smartest things to say and goes to show there are nutters on both sides, but interesting how quickly the anti-semitism card is rolled out.

How is suggesting the involvement of a country's secret intelligence services in a crime either racist or anti-semitic?

This is the problem the Labour party in the UK is facing at the moment where any criticism of the actions of the state of Israel is immediately labelled anti-semitic.

Call me a racist if you dare, but I see a disturbing trend developing here.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
It's antisemitic because saying 'Mossad did it' is a dog whistle to extremists at both ends of the political spectrum who think a cabal Jewish Bankers run the world against the will of The People (true blue ozzies, struggling masses, what-have-you). I bet the same bloke thinks Zionists have got an agenda.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Brianr, and even then I would expect that such an appearance will be via video.
Apparently the only suitable maximum security prison is in Auckland. It was shown on the news tonight and is fairly modern. the prisoner has a wing to himself, no TV nor newspapers, no visitors (I guess except the govt provided legal representatives). He has complained but, while not usual, apparently they can deprive him of these things. I am not sorry for him.
As the crimes were committed in Christchurch, I think the High court proceedings must be held there. They flew him to Auckland in a military plane and are most unlikely to provide him with a plane back for just a brief appearance as today. I do not know what will happen when the real trial gets underway.
Brianr
Hopefully like Tas the guy just pleads guilty in the end and the whole process just becomes a formality of sentencing.  

if however a trial is required then yes NZ will need to fork out for a military plane flight down for the court case and the Christchurch Prison security will need to be beefed up significantly for the trial. You can make up your own minds if its to keep him in or to keep others out.

As for him complaining in jail about not getting anything. He's probably done well to have food that hasn't been pi$$ed in. Anyway he can lay in the silence and contemplate that he only has about 50-60 years of this to go and have the one hope that he's inherited some bad genes leading to early cancer or similar. Personally I feel this is far worse the Capital Punishment, which basically means the punishment ends at your last breath!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Why worry about bringing him to Christchurch for the trial? Either video link him or hold the trial in Auckland, it’s not as though they are differing jurisdictions.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Why worry about bringing him to Christchurch for the trial? Either video link him or hold the trial in Auckland, it’s not as though they are differing jurisdictions.
Aaron
Yes I agree, but NZ law is what it is if they need to front the local Magistrate, then so be it!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Why worry about bringing him to Christchurch for the trial? Either video link him or hold the trial in Auckland, it’s not as though they are differing jurisdictions.
Yes I agree, but NZ law is what it is if they need to front the local Magistrate, then so be it!
RTT_Rules
I don't think this will be heard by a Magistrate, it's going higher than that!
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Why worry about bringing him to Christchurch for the trial? Either video link him or hold the trial in Auckland, it’s not as though they are differing jurisdictions.
Yes I agree, but NZ law is what it is if they need to front the local Magistrate, then so be it!
I don't think this will be heard by a Magistrate, it's going higher than that!
Aaron
In NZ all murder cases must be heard in the High Court. Terminology is different to Australia. I have only lived here for 9 years and been a Kiwi for 3 years and thankfully have not been involved with the legal system (nor in Australia), long may it remain so.
However in NZ there are District Courts then the High Court (permanent in Wellington, Auckland and Christchurch but travels around other major cities).  Above that is the Court of Appeal and top is the Supreme Court (equivalent to High Court Australia). My conjecture is that they will have to decide between bringing the prisoner to Christchurch or flying all the many witnesses to Auckland. I have no idea whether an actual trial (especially as he has so far said he will defend himself) would be allowed with the defendant on camera.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Why worry about bringing him to Christchurch for the trial? Either video link him or hold the trial in Auckland, it’s not as though they are differing jurisdictions.
Yes I agree, but NZ law is what it is if they need to front the local Magistrate, then so be it!
I don't think this will be heard by a Magistrate, it's going higher than that!
In NZ all murder cases must be heard in the High Court. Terminology is different to Australia. I have only lived here for 9 years and been a Kiwi for 3 years and thankfully have not been involved with the legal system (nor in Australia), long may it remain so.
However in NZ there are District Courts then the High Court (permanent in Wellington, Auckland and Christchurch but travels around other major cities).  Above that is the Court of Appeal and top is the Supreme Court (equivalent to High Court Australia). My conjecture is that they will have to decide between bringing the prisoner to Christchurch or flying all the many witnesses to Auckland. I have no idea whether an actual trial (especially as he has so far said he will defend himself) would be allowed with the defendant on camera.
Brianr
It would seem that a couple of the pre-trial hearings held so far (charging, remand etc) were handled by the Christchurch District Court with the accused appearing in person or by video link, just as a Magistrates' Court would do in most Australian states, before handing it over to the High Court.

The position in Australia is that most procedural hearings can be held by video link, but that an actual trial and sentencing must be held with the accused appearing in person. All major prisons have facilities for this, allowing prisoners to get cleaned up and put on presentable clothes (to prevent bias on the basis of their appearance) and then appear on video link for their hearing.

I can see why both sides of the upcoming trial would want it to be held in Auckland, making it easy for the court to agree to hold it in Auckland. The prosecution, being a government agency, will want to avoid the massive exercise in security and logistics of holding it in Christchurch - witnesses and officials can be flown to Auckland on a conventional passenger aircraft and accommodated in a conventional hotel, but the same cannot be said for bringing the accused to Christchurch. The defence would want the trial to be held away from Christchurch to keep the accused and their defence as far as possible from vigilante action.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
What that attacker has done in NZ, perhaps unknowingly, is made Australia a much bigger target for IS sympathizers more so now, than ever before, just by him being an Australian, I fear very much for the safety of this country going forward, I think we must brace for severe attacks on our shores in the months to come - I'm not trying to fear-monger either, I think someone said earlier in this thread that the attacker's video has been widely circulated in Indonesia, and that it is "stirring up hatred"

Kind Regards
I don't think anyone does this thinking it will end there. The loonies on both side of this growing religious conflict are either retaliating or wanting to make a statement.

I agree with the rest, I very much doubt we have seen the last or biggest either.
RTT_Rules
Unfortunately the retaliation has now continued in Sri Lanka, again targeting another unsuspecting soft target on a scale that makes Christchurch look small.

I cannot help wonder if we are just going to see small ongoing tit for tat hits or is this going to go into a full scale religious war and escalate to ever bigger targets and ever bigger death tolls.

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