Southern Cross to Spencer Street

 
  goldenstone Beginner

Thank you to everyone to replying to my post. Interesting to hear different views on this. My view I don't think it should be changed. I like spencer street station but no need to change the name. Southern Cross is alright.

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  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

If it was to change back, would SCS then become SSS ?............. reminds me of BG's last vehicle... a Datsun 180B SSS Coupe.....Razz

BigShunter.
BigShunter
The 180B SSS was quite an awesome vehicle in its day; quick with nice handling. They flew mostly under the radar, as most Australians were far too consumed by the local version of american iron to notice.
They did well in rallying as well
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
How about getting Yarra Trams to realise that Etihad Stadium is now Marvel Stadium? Destination signs, timetables etc havent been updated yet and its been months
Crispin

Does Disney/Marvel pay for the advertising on the destination signs/timetables etc?  If not why should Yarra Trams waste their money updating the signage.  It is not like the stadium name won't change again in another couple of year's time.

Ross
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I think middle aged hoons should get a bit of leeway
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Do you want to here the story about the V8  Falcon I had,doesnt  matter Ill go to bed now,

but the Tickford tickled 'stang is a bit of a prospect.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
If it was to change back, would SCS then become SSS ?............. reminds me of BG's last vehicle... a Datsun 180B SSS Coupe.....Razz

BigShunter.
The 180B SSS was quite an awesome vehicle in its day; quick with nice handling. They flew mostly under the radar, as most Australians were far too consumed by the local version of american iron to notice.
They did well in rallying as well
Lockspike

Are you sure you aren't confusing the 180B with the Datsun 1600 which was tough as nails as a rally car.

Now we are completely off track...

The SSS had an independent rear end whereas the Aussie built 180B had a solid rear axle. The SSS was so noisy to travel in with the interior air pressure pushing the windows out of the rubber around the doors as they were frameless doors, mine was a 4 speed, the 5 speed being released in '74.

Very tough engine, but looking back with lots of hindsight and if I was a few years older, I'd have bought my Pacer new, fully optioned like it is now...factory air etc....but then I was such a hoon I'd have probably killed myself in it. Sad

With further hindsight, it was probably best I bought it 25 years ago for $3k when I was in the mid life crisis, I could look back ...and forward because 25 years ago, Pacers really weren't cool, but the body style makes it with the stripes and badging etc....and that colour...Thar She Blue. Smile

You can probably guess...I'm not a silver Camry kind of guy... Cool

Last Thursday week was such a nice day and the buses on the Ballarat line.......I took a sickie and took her for a drive to Castlemaine and had a reminisce around Barker St...bought some pies etc from McShanaugh's and went and visited all the relo's and my mum at Harcourt cemetery. Went for a drive up to the Res and bought some nice honey from a roadside stall in North Harcourt and some things at the IGA before heading home...contemplating life and how damn short it is Exclamation

To take it back to a railway theme, now the house is paid off and I'm not retiring for a few years...in early July, with some friends I've planned a holiday to Cornwall and Norway...was going to be Iceland, but that's possibly next year. Everywhere in Europe by train including London to northern Norway (Bodo) thence ferry to Kirkenes, way above the Arctic circle then ferry back to Bergen, Norway...5 nights/days of fjords etc. The ferry is a daily milk run.

Confirming schedules with the travel agent yesterday and getting to the $$ part of the trip, I was advised there will be buses for some part of the rail journey between Hamburg and Copenhagen...in the high Summer tourist season Shocked

Made me think...V/Line isn't so bad after all. Smile


Mike.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Confirming schedules with the travel agent yesterday and getting to the $$ part of the trip, I was advised there will be buses for some part of the rail journey between Hamburg and Copenhagen...in the high Summer tourist season Shocked
The Vinelander
I was dismayed by that too, really wanted to do that train ferry. Decided to go the long way round via Fredericia instead. And there's a rail museum at Odense.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Confirming schedules with the travel agent yesterday and getting to the $$ part of the trip, I was advised there will be buses for some part of the rail journey between Hamburg and Copenhagen...in the high Summer tourist season Shocked

Made me think...V/Line isn't so bad after all. Smile
The Vinelander

I was curious about this, and a quick look at the DB website (*) suggests that there is no passenger service over the Strostrom Bridge. All through services between Roedby and Copenhagen is by bus; you could do part of the journey by rail, but there is a bus connection Nykoebing and Naestved (past the bridge). If you wanted to do this by rail you'd have to specifically request routing via Flensburg and Holding - it's the same cost, but about two hours slower, and there's only about three trains a day.

(*) If you haven't used it, the DB website (https://www.bahn.de) is excellent for travelling in Europe. It's easy to use and the English version is excellent.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction

Last Thursday week was such a nice day and the buses on the Ballarat line.......I took a sickie and took her for a drive to Castlemaine and had a reminisce around Barker St...bought some pies etc from McShanaugh's and went and visited all the relo's and my mum at Harcourt cemetery. Went for a drive up to the Res and bought some nice honey from a roadside stall in North Harcourt and some things at the IGA before heading home...contemplating life and how damn short it is Exclamation

Mike.
The Vinelander
Great story Mike. Last Thursday? Did you drop into Castlemaine Station? That was the day that the Royal Train arrived from Seymour behind the B and the S class with T333 in tow being returned to the VGR. Was a very exciting day indeed!

Glad you are a McShanag's man BTW, I love their Cornish Pasties even though the shape is not as traditional as the ones from my youth on the Yorke Peninsula SA.

And if you ever get the chance to drop in at newish Taproom (Shedshaker Brewery) in the old Mill complex they have an old white leather bookies bag with McShanag Castlemaine emblazoned across it. Too kool for skool.

BG
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Are you sure you aren't confusing the 180B with the Datsun 1600 which was tough as nails as a rally car.

Now we are completely off track...

The SSS had an independent rear end whereas the Aussie built 180B had a solid rear axle. The SSS was so noisy to travel in with the interior air pressure pushing the windows out of the rubber around the doors as they were frameless doors, mine was a 4 speed, the 5 speed being released in '74.

Very tough engine, but looking back with lots of hindsight and if I was a few years older, I'd have bought my Pacer new, fully optioned like it is now...factory air etc....but then I was such a hoon I'd have probably killed myself in it. Sad

Mike.
The Vinelander
Talk about High Jacking a thread.....Planes, Trains, Automobiles.......even an old stinkin' 180B SSS, you can find it all out on RP.

Who would have thought but plenty of responses, so I will add a bit more fuel.

Mike you are close ish with the suspension info;

The engine for the 200B was a larger version of the L series engine from the 180B, dubbed the L20B its capacity was increased to 1952cc, making it good for 72 kW. Only the early fully imported 200B sedans and coupes retained the independent rear suspension from the 180B, locally assembled 200B sedans instead switching to coil springs with trailing arms, while the wagon had a live rear axle with leaf springs.

Undoubtedly a giant step backwards, the reason for the change was certainly not a cost cutting measure, but simply the need for Nissan to reach an 85 per cent local content quota that the then Federal Government demanded of Australian car manufacturers. The biggest downside to the 200B was the noise the driver would have to endure.


The 180B SSS had a twin carburettors over the other models single that produced 82kW and, in 1975, was offered with a 5-speed gearbox.

https://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/car_info_datsun_180b_sss

https://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/car_info_datsun_180b

https://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/car_info_datsun_200b.php

Well, that might be enough Datsun info for the day, I actually found this quite interesting and informative, if I do say so, myself, even Mike and him holding out on us about the Rubber Burning Val he has hiding in the shed.....

BigShunter.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
All you blokes with your hot cars - just don't park them illegally outside Spencer Street, er Southern Cross Station.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

The 180B SSS was quite an awesome vehicle in its day; quick with nice handling. They flew mostly under the radar, as most Australians were far too consumed by the local version of american iron to notice.
They did well in rallying as well

Are you sure you aren't confusing the 180B with the Datsun 1600 which was tough as nails as a rally car.
The Vinelander
Nup, no confusion. The 1600 was a highly successful rally car as well, and still being rallied (and competitive) at club level
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

Last Thursday week was such a nice day and the buses on the Ballarat line.......I took a sickie and took her for a drive to Castlemaine and had a reminisce around Barker St...bought some pies etc from McShanaugh's and went and visited all the relo's and my mum at Harcourt cemetery. Went for a drive up to the Res and bought some nice honey from a roadside stall in North Harcourt and some things at the IGA before heading home...contemplating life and how damn short it is Exclamation

Mike.Great story Mike. Last Thursday? Did you drop into Castlemaine Station? That was the day that the Royal Train arrived from Seymour behind the B and the S class with T333 in tow being returned to the VGR. Was a very exciting day indeed!

Glad you are a McShanag's man BTW, I love their Cornish Pasties even though the shape is not as traditional as the ones from my youth on the Yorke Peninsula SA.

BG
BrentonGolding

Yes, one of those pasties half a meter long and a nice apple pie. I've been going there for well over 20 years since McShanag Snr was running the bakery.

I forgot to mention my stroll around the Walter Burley Griffin designed Gardens where my brother and I used to pick up pine nuts as kids to crack open and enjoy the nuts. I was driving back along Walker St and the booms went down...and yes, the royal train went through.

I knew it was coming as I'd read the Special Train notice but I wasn't aware of it again until I saw it and I'll be travelling on it to Maldon soon, which I'm doing in preference to travelling on the Echuca Overlander and paying around $300.00 for a day out Exclamation

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Confirming schedules with the travel agent yesterday and getting to the $$ part of the trip, I was advised there will be buses for some part of the rail journey between Hamburg and Copenhagen...in the high Summer tourist season Shocked

Made me think...V/Line isn't so bad after all. Smile

I was curious about this, and a quick look at the DB website (*) suggests that there is no passenger service over the Strostrom Bridge. All through services between Roedby and Copenhagen is by bus; you could do part of the journey by rail, but there is a bus connection Nykoebing and Naestved (past the bridge). If you wanted to do this by rail you'd have to specifically request routing via Flensburg and Holding - it's the same cost, but about two hours slower, and there's only about three trains a day.

(*) If you haven't used it, the DB website (https://www.bahn.de) is excellent for travelling in Europe. It's easy to use and the English version is excellent.
historian

Already booked through an agent and I don't trust myself even contemplating booking with foreign railways when I haven't already been there first, but thanks for the info.

Apparently the bus part is from:

bus Roedby 12:25 PM to Copenhagen, 2:40 PM, 13 Jul 19.


Mike.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Confirming schedules with the travel agent yesterday and getting to the $$ part of the trip, I was advised there will be buses for some part of the rail journey between Hamburg and Copenhagen...in the high Summer tourist season Shocked

Made me think...V/Line isn't so bad after all. Smile

I was curious about this, and a quick look at the DB website (*) suggests that there is no passenger service over the Strostrom Bridge. All through services between Roedby and Copenhagen is by bus; you could do part of the journey by rail, but there is a bus connection Nykoebing and Naestved (past the bridge). If you wanted to do this by rail you'd have to specifically request routing via Flensburg and Holding - it's the same cost, but about two hours slower, and there's only about three trains a day.

(*) If you haven't used it, the DB website (https://www.bahn.de) is excellent for travelling in Europe. It's easy to use and the English version is excellent.

Already booked through an agent and I don't trust myself even contemplating booking with foreign railways when I haven't already been there first, but thanks for the info.

Apparently the bus part is from:

bus Roedby 12:25 PM to Copenhagen, 2:40 PM, 13 Jul 19.


Mike.
The Vinelander
I guess that means no train ride onto the Ferry at Puttgarden then. Its quite an experience.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Confirming schedules with the travel agent yesterday and getting to the $$ part of the trip, I was advised there will be buses for some part of the rail journey between Hamburg and Copenhagen...in the high Summer tourist season Shocked

Made me think...V/Line isn't so bad after all. Smile

I was curious about this, and a quick look at the DB website (*) suggests that there is no passenger service over the Strostrom Bridge. All through services between Roedby and Copenhagen is by bus; you could do part of the journey by rail, but there is a bus connection Nykoebing and Naestved (past the bridge). If you wanted to do this by rail you'd have to specifically request routing via Flensburg and Holding - it's the same cost, but about two hours slower, and there's only about three trains a day.

(*) If you haven't used it, the DB website (https://www.bahn.de) is excellent for travelling in Europe. It's easy to use and the English version is excellent.

Already booked through an agent and I don't trust myself even contemplating booking with foreign railways when I haven't already been there first, but thanks for the info.

Apparently the bus part is from:

bus Roedby 12:25 PM to Copenhagen, 2:40 PM, 13 Jul 19.


Mike.
I guess that means no train ride onto the Ferry at Puttgarden then. Its quite an experience.
mikesyd

If you've never done it, there's nothing to miss. Smile

I'll be asking my friends if we want to go to Iceland next year and the ferry for Iceland departs from Hirtshals, Denmark. If the train goes that way...then it will be next year.

We didn't go to Iceland this year as it's expensive and will take a bit longer on my meagre wage to save and I plan on being there for around 4 weeks.

Mike.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Confirming schedules with the travel agent yesterday and getting to the $$ part of the trip, I was advised there will be buses for some part of the rail journey between Hamburg and Copenhagen...in the high Summer tourist season Shocked

Made me think...V/Line isn't so bad after all. Smile

I was curious about this, and a quick look at the DB website (*) suggests that there is no passenger service over the Strostrom Bridge. All through services between Roedby and Copenhagen is by bus; you could do part of the journey by rail, but there is a bus connection Nykoebing and Naestved (past the bridge). If you wanted to do this by rail you'd have to specifically request routing via Flensburg and Holding - it's the same cost, but about two hours slower, and there's only about three trains a day.

(*) If you haven't used it, the DB website (https://www.bahn.de) is excellent for travelling in Europe. It's easy to use and the English version is excellent.

Already booked through an agent and I don't trust myself even contemplating booking with foreign railways when I haven't already been there first, but thanks for the info.

The Vinelander
I do 95% of my overseas travel myself on the net. I do not trust agents, most are useless. The DB website is marvellous but while it gives information you need to go to other sites to book outside Germany.  
(Not sure what this has to do with Melbourne Rail stations)
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I do not trust agents, most are useless.
"Brianr"
When you come to Melbourne, I'll introduce you to the best one there is.
She has done all the flights, hotels, trains, transfers  et al for me on three previous trips, and has just booked the flights for the fourth one next July.
She has also booked for both my sons and their better halves; one pair of whom are in France as I write. This is the fifth time she's done their bookings.
Not one thing has gone wrong with any of her work, and I wouldn't attempt to do it myself. The business class deals she gets on air fares are nothing short of amazing, and they're not with fly-by-night carriers either - try Qantas, Cathay, Lufthansa and Finnair to name a few.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I do 95% of my overseas travel myself on the net. I do not trust agents, most are useless. The DB website is marvellous but while it gives information you need to go to other sites to book outside Germany.  
(Not sure what this has to do with Melbourne Rail stations)
Brianr

I've already booked flights and English travel (British Rail pass) myself, however when it comes to the complexities of travelling through 6 countries, I'm not tackling that many headed hydra when I've never been there...so calling agents 'useless' is a very broad statement that should be backed up with evidence.

It has nothing more to do with Melbourne rail stations than classic cars and Cornish pasties...feel free to move on...

Mike.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I do not trust agents, most are useless.
When you come to Melbourne, I'll introduce you to the best one there is.
She has done all the flights, hotels, trains, transfers  et al for me on three previous trips, and has just booked the flights for the fourth one next July.
She has also booked for both my sons and their better halves; one pair of whom are in France as I write. This is the fifth time she's done their bookings.
Not one thing has gone wrong with any of her work, and I wouldn't attempt to do it myself. The business class deals she gets on air fares are nothing short of amazing, and they're not with fly-by-night carriers either - try Qantas, Cathay, Lufthansa and Finnair to name a few.
Valvegear
You must be one of the lucky ones who deals with a Sole Trader as against those who have to toe the line of their Multnnational bosses.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You must be one of the lucky ones who deals with a Sole Trader as against those who have to toe the line of their Multnnational bosses.
"mikesyd"
Not a bit of it. The mob she works for has five offices in Melbourne and suburbs. The office I go to has at least four travel planners in the office every weekday, and a couple on Saturday mornings.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Honestly the name shouldn't be Southern cross or Spencer street. The station should be renamed to Docklands.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
I do 95% of my overseas travel myself on the net. I do not trust agents, most are useless. The DB website is marvellous but while it gives information you need to go to other sites to book outside Germany.  
(Not sure what this has to do with Melbourne Rail stations)

I've already booked flights and English travel (British Rail pass) myself, however when it comes to the complexities of travelling through 6 countries, I'm not tackling that many headed hydra when I've never been there...so calling agents 'useless' is a very broad statement that should be backed up with evidence.

It has nothing more to do with Melbourne rail stations than classic cars and Cornish pasties...feel free to move on...

Mike.
The Vinelander
I have often done more than 6 countries in a trip. Currently early planning (no bookings so far) for next year - Rumania, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Hungary and Austria. Went to Greece way back in 1980, Rumania & Bulgaria (day trip) on a Danube cruise in 2016 (Did use an agent in Chicago to book that cruise because Avalon would not take direct bookings). Have visited Hungary twice (once by myself in 2000 and then on the same cruise as mentioned). Regularly visit Vienna.
Several times I have had to tell the agent their job. Last time I used one was for a cruise in Alaska (2017). Received documents 2 weeks before departure and they had me boarding in Juneau whereas I had booked flights to Sitka. I rang the cruise company in Alaska and they confirmed I was correct. I contacted the agent, thanking them for the near heart attack. They apologised and there was a bottle of wine waiting for me in my cabin when I boarded but still.
I spend a lot of time on Tripadvisor (I am now a destination expert for Dunedin Laughing) and we often need to tell people to go back to their agent when they tell us the itinerary they have been given. I expect some agents know very little about the Geography of New Zealand.
In Europe most travel agents know nothing about rail travel. It is has become so easy now to book and print tickets online. Beside Deutsche Bahn, there is Trainline (best for France, SNCF can be difficult) and I have used OBB (Austria) the Czech and Italian rail companies. Last year I booked journeys online throughout England and Scotland but you need to pick up tickets at the station machine.  If you feel lost go to Man in Seat 61 https://www.seat61.com
It is a mine of information about world train travel and the owner is very helpful if you contact him and he does it as a hobby.
Do not use RailEurope. They were good 15 years ago but now they are a ripoff.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Honestly the name shouldn't be Southern cross or Spencer street. The station should be renamed to Docklands.
"True Believers"
It's not at Southern Cross. It's not at the docks. It is on Spencer Street.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Honestly the name shouldn't be Southern cross or Spencer street. The station should be renamed to Docklands.
It's not at Southern Cross. It's not at the docks. It is on Spencer Street.
Valvegear
It's within walking distance from the docks. I think naming a station after a landmark or an area, is better alternative than a street name. It gives you a better indication where it's located. There are multiple streets across Melbourne with similiar names. Whereas suburbs and landmarks have specific names.

There once was a time where 2 stations where located at Flinders Street (Princes Bridge and Flinders Street). Also North (West) Melbourne station is very close to Spencer street.

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