2019 Federal Election Thread

 
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Kind of ironic that the intense lobbying of the Environment minister to approve the Adani mine before an election is called might in fact be cause of an appeal by environmentalists:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/lawyers-eye-coalition-threat-as-grounds-for-adani-appeal/10982834

The whole EV thing is an issue.  But probably not the biggest one since the much of the electorate are mostly more interested in short-term stuff IMO.

Interesting article on Grid collapse if we went EV:
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/power-grid-not-ready-for-spike-in-electric-vehicles-20190408-p51c0q.html

Although Finkel's study said a 100% take up of EVs would only result in a 20% increase in average grid demand.  Let's hope everyone doesn't "plug-in" at 6pm on a hot summer evening!

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
My guess is that the Liberal Party has asked the PM to hold on until later this week while they scramble to work out what to do with a certain high profile sitting MP.

Better to dump a candidate before their corflutes start going up than to disendorse a nominated candidate.
Is this the particular high profile Liberal Party member?  

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-06/abbott-attended-function-hosted-by-communist-party-linked-mogul/10962224
petan
Lack of a reply confirming Abbott was the high profile sitting Liberal MP, as well as lack of more substantial clues about that Liberal MP's  identity, if not Abbott, makes me wonder about the accuracy of the initial claim that the Liberals are in fact considering dumping any high profile sitting federal MP.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The Coalition just signed their death warrant IMO:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/adani-gains-commonwealth-groundwater-approval/10984134

That will cost them up to a dozen seats in Vic, along with other seats elsewhere.  It's 1983 and the Franklin Dam saga all over again.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The Coalition just signed their death warrant IMO:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/adani-gains-commonwealth-groundwater-approval/10984134

That will cost them up to a dozen seats in Vic, along with other seats elsewhere.  It's 1983 and the Franklin Dam saga all over again.
Carnot
Not sure what the big hoo har is, its just another coal mine, its not lik we don't export coal now and other coal mines have come and gone since this whole debate started.

The approval will be popular in Qld and potentially win votes.

I suspect those who in Vic that are anti coal are also anti LNP to start with.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The Coalition just signed their death warrant IMO:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/adani-gains-commonwealth-groundwater-approval/10984134

That will cost them up to a dozen seats in Vic, along with other seats elsewhere.  It's 1983 and the Franklin Dam saga all over again.
Not sure what the big hoo har is, its just another coal mine, its not lik we don't export coal now and other coal mines have come and gone since this whole debate started.

The approval will be popular in Qld and potentially win votes.

I suspect those who in Vic that are anti coal are also anti LNP to start with.
RTT_Rules
The issue is that it would be mostly low quality (i.e High ash content) rubbish in the order of 60 million Tonnes/Annum out of an environmentally sensitive area.  At the present time we produce just over 400 million tonnes, so easily the biggest mine in Australia.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

There are reports all over the web detailing the ecological catastrophes Adani have left in their wake. If the reports are to be believed, it seems like a hallmark of their operating style.

Why do we need them and the mine if we have managed to get this far without it? Why hasn't BHP taken an interest?

Groundwater contamination is possible and with major consequences.

Not sure if Bill would have done any different.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Why do we need them and the mine if we have managed to get this far without it? Why hasn't BHP taken an interest?
ANR
That is just about the most ludicrously Ludditious* idea I have ever read.

Lets just stop the world now. What has happened up to this point is fine. Anything that is to happen later should not happen?!?!?!

As for BHP they may not be interested in Old King Coal in the Galilee Basin but plenty of others are. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilee_Basin#Coal_mining_leases for a quick list.

(climbs on soapbox) I have quite a few friends who get all frothy at the mouth about Adani. Ask them what they think about all the other projects slated for the Galilee or indeed any other coal mining projects being investigated around Australia and they just look at you funny and go all quiet. And then start chanting STOP ADANI all over again.

By all means people, be against the Adani mine. But do your research, understand the context and don't just jump on the bandwagon like the rest of the mob.

* of a Luddite Laughing

BG
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The Coalition just signed their death warrant IMO:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/adani-gains-commonwealth-groundwater-approval/10984134

That will cost them up to a dozen seats in Vic, along with other seats elsewhere.  It's 1983 and the Franklin Dam saga all over again.
Not sure what the big hoo har is, its just another coal mine, its not lik we don't export coal now and other coal mines have come and gone since this whole debate started.

The approval will be popular in Qld and potentially win votes.

I suspect those who in Vic that are anti coal are also anti LNP to start with.
The issue is that it would be mostly low quality (i.e High ash content) rubbish in the order of 60 million Tonnes/Annum out of an environmentally sensitive area.  At the present time we produce just over 400 million tonnes, so easily the biggest mine in Australia.
Carnot

What's the ash content is and how does it compare to typical Australian burned coal, Indian domestic coal, I'm guessing most don't have a clue.

Adani coal is higher in ash than typical Australian burned coal, around low to high 20's %. I believe Tarong Power in Qld burns 12-13%. Used to be the old saying 8 trucks out, 1 truck back. Would need to check the calorific values to compare against Vic's coal.

Its not uncommon in India to burn 60% ash, yes I've seen the stuff in person, I never knew coal to be grey before or chunks looking like a Zebra in colour. 35-50% is most common.

Its one of those things, let Adani dig it up. They will either burn this or someone else's rubbish coal, may as well be us. If they wanted to pay for high grade coal, they would, but they don't because if they do they cannot compete.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
There are reports all over the web detailing the ecological catastrophes Adani have left in their wake. If the reports are to be believed, it seems like a hallmark of their operating style.

Why do we need them and the mine if we have managed to get this far without it? Why hasn't BHP taken an interest?

Groundwater contamination is possible and with major consequences.

Not sure if Bill would have done any different.
ANR
BHP history with OK Tedi anyone?

Rension Resources in Tasmania anyone?

Rio Tinto's previous interest in the the lead/zinc industry in old Pasminco anyone, what about mining Uranium next to Kakadu?

All the older operators of the mining sector has a history, why because the public let them. Now in Australia the public in general doesn't tolerate this so we vote people in who won't allow. So Adani will only be allowed to do what the Qld voter allows, who gives a crap what they do OS.

Groundwater contamination with what? The coal is there now! You dig a hole in the ground anywhere big enough you will affect the ground water level, every mine has this issue.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Just what Scomo doesn't need, Malcom the miserable ghost making a reappearance! - he was getting relatively clean air until now - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/malcolm-turnbull-slams-dutton-morrison-over-chinese-donor/10983992
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Selling Petrol at $A2.40/L also helps discourage big cars and long distances.
When I was there last year, (exchange rate varies of course) but fuel right across Europe was close to AUD2.20 per litre. What's more, unlike here in Australia the price in 5 weeks almost didn't vary, I saw maybe 1 Euro cent across Euro countries, (a couple, to three Zloty in Poland) per litre variation in price across any pumps in the 5 weeks. The concept that fuel should vary by say the equivalent of 20-30 Australian cents per litre at varying times of the week or month would blow a European's mind.
Aaron
UAE fuel prices changes once a month, the price is directly linked to the oil price and they use the average for the previous month to set the next month. I suspect many EU countries, especially eastern EU which operate with more socialist or govt controlled economies than Australia are similar, maybe setting national prices or similar.

Italy, Greece and the Scandinavian counties are usually some of the higher prices, but there is considerable variation across the EU. Drive from Slovenia into Italy and you will see there are a few petrol stations on the Slovenian side of the border and none on the Italian side for a while, the 30c difference in price
https://autotraveler.ru/en/spravka/fuel-price-in-europe.html#.XKyk9Zgzbcc
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Why do we need them and the mine if we have managed to get this far without it? Why hasn't BHP taken an interest?
That is just about the most ludicrously Ludditious* idea I have ever read.

Lets just stop the world now. What has happened up to this point is fine. Anything that is to happen later should not happen?!?!?!

As for BHP they may not be interested in Old King Coal in the Galilee Basin but plenty of others are. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilee_Basin#Coal_mining_leases for a quick list.

(climbs on soapbox) I have quite a few friends who get all frothy at the mouth about Adani. Ask them what they think about all the other projects slated for the Galilee or indeed any other coal mining projects being investigated around Australia and they just look at you funny and go all quiet. And then start chanting STOP ADANI all over again.

By all means people, be against the Adani mine. But do your research, understand the context and don't just jump on the bandwagon like the rest of the mob.

* of a Luddite Laughing

BG
BrentonGolding
I had the misfortune of being caught at a pedestrian crossing (in Adelaide) with a bunch of misfits protesting Adani, most of which would have been better served by still being in school. I asked them 'where is the Adani mine going to be?' and the response was 'it doesn't matter where it's going to be' - it seems they knew a lot about it.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Selling Petrol at $A2.40/L also helps discourage big cars and long distances.
When I was there last year, (exchange rate varies of course) but fuel right across Europe was close to AUD2.20 per litre. What's more, unlike here in Australia the price in 5 weeks almost didn't vary, I saw maybe 1 Euro cent across Euro countries, (a couple, to three Zloty in Poland) per litre variation in price across any pumps in the 5 weeks. The concept that fuel should vary by say the equivalent of 20-30 Australian cents per litre at varying times of the week or month would blow a European's mind.
UAE fuel prices changes once a month, the price is directly linked to the oil price and they use the average for the previous month to set the next month. I suspect many EU countries, especially eastern EU which operate with more socialist or govt controlled economies than Australia are similar, maybe setting national prices or similar.

Italy, Greece and the Scandinavian counties are usually some of the higher prices, but there is considerable variation across the EU. Drive from Slovenia into Italy and you will see there are a few petrol stations on the Slovenian side of the border and none on the Italian side for a while, the 30c difference in price
https://autotraveler.ru/en/spravka/fuel-price-in-europe.html#.XKyk9Zgzbcc
RTT_Rules
I didn't get as far as Slovenia, we drove from Poland to Austria via Slovakia and Hungary, in September we are skiing on Hintertux, Austria and we will be driving via Germany on the way there and Czech Republic on the return. It's east that I actually want to go, but the wife's family always like heading west.
  RedEyeExpress Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
"I suspect those who in Vic that are anti coal are also anti LNP to start with."Spot on RTT. Similarly, those making the most noise about Malcom Turnbull being 'deposed' as PM surely would never vote Liberal anyway.

  Carnot Chief Commissioner

"I suspect those who in Vic that are anti coal are also anti LNP to start with."Spot on RTT. Similarly, those making the most noise about Malcom Turnbull being 'deposed' as PM surely would never vote Liberal anyway.
RedEyeExpress
Maybe I'm just strange.  I usually vote for (or preference) the Coalition but I'm pretty convinced that the Adani mine is not right.

But I can't bring myself to vote ALP or Greens because of their radical social policies and corruption/incompetence.

There are conservatives out there who also believe in conserving the environment and not trashing it.  At this rate I might vote informal.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Meanwhile, the ghost of Don Chipp rises again:
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
"I suspect those who in Vic that are anti coal are also anti LNP to start with."Spot on RTT. Similarly, those making the most noise about Malcom Turnbull being 'deposed' as PM surely would never vote Liberal anyway.
RedEyeExpress

You've obviously never visited the electorate of Wenworth then Razz
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Meanwhile, the ghost of Don Chipp rises again:
Carnot
Let's just hope that the Senator for Doc Martins Natasha Stott de Party Destroyer doesn't make a comeback too. Poor old Don really couldn't past the end of his, um, nose when he backed that horse for a win.

BG
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Just what Scomo doesn't need, Malcom the miserable ghost making a reappearance! - he was getting relatively clean air until now - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/malcolm-turnbull-slams-dutton-morrison-over-chinese-donor/10983992
lsrailfan
And surely Malcom, hasn't finished lobbing grenades.
Nothing like an ex-PM scorned. Ms Gillard, excluded.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Meanwhile, the ghost of Don Chipp rises again:
Carnot
I wonder who is behind it?

This is turning out to be a great retro election, what with the United Australia Party also coming back.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Will the Democrats keep the bastaad S honest? This time?

Do they have an unfulfilled mission?

What is Xenophon up to these days?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

"I suspect those who in Vic that are anti coal are also anti LNP to start with."Spot on RTT. Similarly, those making the most noise about Malcom Turnbull being 'deposed' as PM surely would never vote Liberal anyway.
Maybe I'm just strange.  I usually vote for (or preference) the Coalition but I'm pretty convinced that the Adani mine is not right.

But I can't bring myself to vote ALP or Greens because of their radical social policies and corruption/incompetence.

There are conservatives out there who also believe in conserving the environment and not trashing it.  At this rate I might vote informal.
Carnot
What an oxymoron. Conservatives and conserving the environment.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
But I can't bring myself to vote ALP or Greens because of their radical social policies and corruption/incompetence.
Carnot
Ahhh I wouldn’t call them radical, more like quotas and riding the wave of Identity politics. I would not call them radical, if they were then I would be voting for them
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Meanwhile, the ghost of Don Chipp rises again:
I wonder who is behind it?

This is turning out to be a great retro election, what with the United Australia Party also coming back.
justapassenger
Coming out of SA which makes sense as South Australia was a stronghold of the Dems in their glory days.

The registration was contested by a mob in Qld which traces it's lineage back to the Qld branch of the Democrats.

Looks like the SA mob won in court (well the AEC anyway)

BG
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
"I suspect those who in Vic that are anti coal are also anti LNP to start with."Spot on RTT. Similarly, those making the most noise about Malcom Turnbull being 'deposed' as PM surely would never vote Liberal anyway.

You've obviously never visited the electorate of Wenworth then Razz
bingley hall
He wasn't that well liked in Wentworth having ousted the well liked Peter King. Phelps will go this election, and while she's at it, she can be stripped of her medical qualifications too.

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