Z3 class tram retirement

 
Topic moved from Melbourne suburban by dthead on 10 Aug 2019 15:15
  bordercollie9401 Beginner

Hi I am wondering what will be replacing the Z3 class trams and when they are expected to be retired. By mid 2020s?

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  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
2030 if lucky. There are 114 Z3 trams. 114 E classes (or their successors) would need to be ordered to make the Z3s completely surplus to Melbourne's needs. If 2 Z classes were replaced with only one E class you would be effectively halving the timetable even though the passenger rate would be up. And then there is the problem of having another 69 A classes, which are even smaller than the Z3s.

Given that the mechanicals are mostly identical between Z3, A and B2 trams (traction motors, bogies, electrical equipment etc.) and the fact that it takes forever for even a single E class to leave Dandenong and enter service in Melbourne, it is fair to say that they will be around for some time. The only fault that a Z (and A) has is the lack of passenger air conditioning, but unfortunately fitting aircon units to nearly 200 trams would be extremely costly for a fleet which might not even exist ten years from now.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Should be in Trams and Light Rail.
  gunzel42 Locomotive Fireman

Should be in Trams and Light Rail.
kitchgp
The forum subheading says Discussions relating to the Melbourne Suburban Rail/Tram Network contained in Myki Zones 1 and 2.

You'll probably also need to make comment in the Refurbishment features posting and other railcar-specific postings to let them know that it should be posted in Locomotives and Rolling Stock.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
How about the export of at least some of our modern-style high floor fleet, will anyone else want to buy them?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Can't do that, we still need them since routes 19, 59, 75 and 109 are still lacking E class trams thus are stopping B/C/D2 class trams used on those routes from replacing the A/Z3 trams on the "lesser" routes like the 48, 57, 70, 78 etc.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
They're not going anywhere in the near future. Not unless the state government get serious about making the entire network DDA compliant in a hurry, which is something until now they have been doing at a snail's pace.

For the record, the eldest members of the class will turn 40 years old next month.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

A VicSig photo from earlier this year of 4 x Z3 being refurbished at East Preston depot (click on the caption to expand):

https://vicsig.net/photo/23128

Whether or not all the Z3s are being done is not known. The press releases refer to 85 - 90% of the whole fleet (A, B, C, D & Z3) being refurbished.
  tram1041 Station Master

Can't do that, we still need them since routes 19, 59, 75 and 109 are still lacking E class trams thus are stopping B/C/D2 class trams used on those routes from replacing the A/Z3 trams on the "lesser" routes like the 48, 57, 70, 78 etc.
At least the 19,48 & 109 have low floor trams in the C1 & D2's.The D1's should be split between Malvern & Essendon as that would give low floor access to 57 & 59,there is  no need to have them all at Malvern.Swap with some B's,