Warrnambool And Geelong Line Upgrades Out To Market

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 10 Oct 2018 14:22
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Rail Projects Victoria delivering this project for the Government meaning V/Line is not making it a better chance of success.

Also good to see the project finally getting underway despite the Infrastructure Australia findings.

Warrnambool And Geelong Line Upgrades Out To Market

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Rail Projects Victoria delivering this project for the Government meaning V/Line is not making it a better chance of success.

Also good to see the project finally getting underway despite the Infrastructure Australia findings.

Warrnambool And Geelong Line Upgrades Out To Market
bevans
Unfortunately this package is not what was considered by IA. The Warrnambool/Waurn Ponds scope of works has been known for some time as part of the previously announced Regional Rail Revival program.

The expressions of interest are for:

  • Duplication of Waurn Ponds station area only, including a second platform
  • Upgrading 12 level crossings to active
  • A new crossing loop at some location between Waurn Ponds and Warrnambool
  • "Signalling upgrades", whatever that might entail - perhaps ATC from Geelong-Waurn Ponds, would seem to make sense.
  • VLo stabling at Warrnambool.


Given the Feds are still on board with the full duplication, we should expect to see this package of works roll into the next, but for now it's limited to what I've mentioned above.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Whatever happened to that crossing loop build for freight crossing on the Warrnambool line?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Whatever happened to that crossing loop build for freight crossing on the Warrnambool line?
x31
Warncoort? It's still there.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Whatever happened to that crossing loop build for freight crossing on the Warrnambool line?
Warncoort? It's still there.
potatoinmymouth

Is it ever used?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
The expressions of interest are for:

  • Duplication of Waurn Ponds station area only, including a second platform
  • Upgrading 12 level crossings to active
  • A new crossing loop at some location between Waurn Ponds and Warrnambool
  • "Signalling upgrades", whatever that might entail - perhaps ATC from Geelong-Waurn Ponds, would seem to make sense.
  • VLo stabling at Warrnambool.


Given the Feds are still on board with the full duplication, we should expect to see this package of works roll into the next, but for now it's limited to what I've mentioned above.
potatoinmymouth
It's a significant de-scoping, but it makes sense when you look at these upgrades becoming the initial tranche of a multi-stage project. They've picked the smallest cost and highest benefit projects that focus almost solely on Warrnambool line upgrades:
  • A second platform at Waurn Ponds enables Warrnambool services to cross terminating Geelong services. This should've been done when they built Waurn Ponds station, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
  • 12 level crossing upgrades are VLocity enabling works
  • The new crossing loop is very likely to be the long-awaited Boorcan loop near Camperdown, possibly enabling further rationalisation of Camperdown Yard at a later date
  • Signalling upgrades between Waurn Ponds and Geelong to replace the existing confusing two-position signalling with three-position ATC.
  • VLo stabling at Warrnambool = security & facilities upgrades to enable overnight stabling in 2 & 3 roads


The cynic in me thinks that perhaps the Feds are using the negative Infrastructure Australia assessment as cover to announce and fund the duplication works as an additional stage closer to the next Federal election. Doing the bare minimum for the State Government when an election is around the corner could also be a bit of a leg-up for the State Opposition, too.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The Feds and ScoMo are buggered anyway and the very marginal seat of Corangamite will in all likelihood fall to Labor next May, unless  Labor finds a way of self-imploding....

Mike.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The expressions of interest are for:

  • Duplication of Waurn Ponds station area only, including a second platform
  • Upgrading 12 level crossings to active
  • A new crossing loop at some location between Waurn Ponds and Warrnambool
  • "Signalling upgrades", whatever that might entail - perhaps ATC from Geelong-Waurn Ponds, would seem to make sense.
  • VLo stabling at Warrnambool.


Given the Feds are still on board with the full duplication, we should expect to see this package of works roll into the next, but for now it's limited to what I've mentioned above.
It's a significant de-scoping, but it makes sense when you look at these upgrades becoming the initial tranche of a multi-stage project. They've picked the smallest cost and highest benefit projects that focus almost solely on Warrnambool line upgrades:
  • A second platform at Waurn Ponds enables Warrnambool services to cross terminating Geelong services. This should've been done when they built Waurn Ponds station, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
  • 12 level crossing upgrades are VLocity enabling works
  • The new crossing loop is very likely to be the long-awaited Boorcan loop near Camperdown, possibly enabling further rationalisation of Camperdown Yard at a later date
  • Signalling upgrades between Waurn Ponds and Geelong to replace the existing confusing two-position signalling with three-position ATC.
  • VLo stabling at Warrnambool = security & facilities upgrades to enable overnight stabling in 2 & 3 roads


The cynic in me thinks that perhaps the Feds are using the negative Infrastructure Australia assessment as cover to announce and fund the duplication works as an additional stage closer to the next Federal election. Doing the bare minimum for the State Government when an election is around the corner could also be a bit of a leg-up for the State Opposition, too.
LancedDendrite
Two confusing and overlapping projects that are out to Expression of Interest  at 10/18 :

Waurn Ponds bit is second track and second platform, presumably with the ability to cross passenger trains, plus acquisition of land for Surf Coast railway which will branch off at Marshall and run via Mt Duneed (Armstrong Creek) to terminate at North Torquay near Bunnings Warehouse .

Some years back Victrack put in a fibre optic cable in the rail corridor right through from Geelong to Warrnambool and Warncoort Loop is remote controlled from Centrol already via that link .

Other current Expression of Interest is Warrnmabool Line .  A duplicate of Warncoort Loop at Boorcan on the Up side of Terang. Stabling at Warrnambool , all remaining un protected lx to get boom barrier protection .  Expect Boorcan Loop to be remote control ex Centrol and fibre optic cable allows for potentially poor mans CTC or absolute block working to replace Train Orders totally between Waurn Ponds and Warrnambool .  These works should allow 4 car Intercity V/Locity sets to run on the Class 2 track between Warrnambool and South Geelong at 130 kmh, coupled with 160kmh on Melbourne - Geelong section easily giving a future  through trip time of just under 3 hours . Above works with two loops allows for introduction fifth return Weekday trip pair which should be mid morning Down forming  a mid afternoon Up .

South Geelong - Waurn Ponds duplication is a completely separate third project of about $ 325 m to duplicate, second platforms at South Geelong and Marshall and replace 2 position with 3 position signalling .  Government has now added in two grade seps at Wood St South Geelong ( ideally will be rail under road), and Surf Coast Highway ( to be determined) adding
$ 400m to the cost .  So far Feds have chucked in $ 150m and Victoria $ 147m but not clear where rest is coming from as Feds have a perfect get out of jail card now inthat IA says the whole project is a lemon .However if the Canberra Milkbar cahnges hands then the Feds may contribute more $ , but highly unlikely the 80 % of andres ambit claim .  Key thing is in the next couple of years the rail component is funded and will get built, IIRC by 2023 but the garde seps which are desireable but not essential may well get deferred  .
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Well, I have had the pleasure of travelling out to Warrnambool today and so a few observations:

The set back cross at Camperdown is an absolute gunzel must-see. The whole operation is really quite efficient - I don’t know what I expected since they do it every day! - but still takes a good 15 minutes. The conductor commentated the procedure on the PA which I thought was a nice touch for the non-regulars. It was the object of some fascination for many. The equipment was also not being particularly cooperative today and the driver of the up train was given a caution order to enter the platform when the up arrival signal failed to clear. (Apologies if I have got some safeworking terms wrong there – it isn’t my strongest suit and that part of the story was pieced together from a lot of “Stand by, Drive” on the connie’s radio!)

The track quality is actually quite good on the down side of Geelong. With the superior suspension of the VLos it will not be at all difficult to run comfortably at 130km/h. That and a new Boorcan Loop will cut the travel time to a VERY competitive 3h. That will make it one of the best rail services in the country in its class.

The service (morning down) was fairly well patronised, with maybe 40 pax travelling the whole way and another 40 or so leaving us at the intermediate stops between Geelong and the end of the line.

What will interest some of you no end is that the pax were heavily concentrated in the first class car and the buffet car. Nearly all aboard made a purchase at some point on the journey. Admittedly 50 cups of coffee would barely cover the conductor’s wages but the facility is clearly a big part of the attraction to passengers. The whole shebang runs at an enormous loss anyway so I remain convinced removing these facilities would be a net negative.

Leaving the train at Warrnambool one does idly wonder if the cost of reinstating the line to Port Fairy is truly prohibitive; of course I understand there is no money and no appetite for building lightly trafficked country lines today, but I am a rail fan after all. Nearly half the pax transferred to the Heywood via Port Fairy bus so there is little doubt it would be used, and would really increase the attractiveness of the service o tourists. I reiterate that I know this will never happen so don’t scold me for it!

The N has run around its train - strange to think that this tradition will be forgotten to passenger rail in Victoria in just a few years - and the station is quiet again. I am reminded without fail on my infrequent trips to the country of the almost spiritual regard in with the lucky few towns hold “their” train. Economic rationalism is perhaps a necessary evil, but I think we are all very fond of those places it has not quite yet taken over altogether.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Expensive re-build of the formerly timber bridge over the Moyne River and the rest of the perway isn't an expensive re-build, however the rail trail is well established through Koroit to Port Fairy, (Belfast) to us old fart$.

Good review of how V/Line services are treated with more 'ownership' by the locals than METRO services which are taken for granted.

Mike.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Just a small note on the 'ownership' of trains by country people - talking to my mother this morning, she would prefer to take the XPT from Albury to Wagga in the middle of the day and spend the night rather than do a day trip to and back on the TfNSW bus trial....

I have to ask her more about this.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Leaving the train at Warrnambool one does idly wonder if the cost of reinstating the line to Port Fairy is truly prohibitive; of course I understand there is no money and no appetite for building lightly trafficked country lines today, but I am a rail fan after all. Nearly half the pax transferred to the Heywood via Port Fairy bus so there is little doubt it would be used, and would really increase the attractiveness of the service o tourists. I reiterate that I know this will never happen so don’t scold me for it!
potatoinmymouth
If youre opening that line then service to Portland is perhaps the logical end point for that...  But that damn gauge issue.  

Though truth be told, Warrnambool as SG isn't totally mad - it has freight on the line which would benefit from SG service, and using the same long distance VLos that are going to run Albury would be quite feasible i think.  PLatforms at SCS and Tottenham again become the limit though.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Leaving the train at Warrnambool one does idly wonder if the cost of reinstating the line to Port Fairy is truly prohibitive; of course I understand there is no money and no appetite for building lightly trafficked country lines today, but I am a rail fan after all. Nearly half the pax transferred to the Heywood via Port Fairy bus so there is little doubt it would be used, and would really increase the attractiveness of the service o tourists. I reiterate that I know this will never happen so don’t scold me for it!
If youre opening that line then service to Portland is perhaps the logical end point for that...  But that damn gauge issue.  

Though truth be told, Warrnambool as SG isn't totally mad - it has freight on the line which would benefit from SG service, and using the same long distance VLos that are going to run Albury would be quite feasible i think.  PLatforms at SCS and Tottenham again become the limit though.
james.au
@PIMM good to see another appreciates the pleasure of the Warrnambool journey, and lucky you didn't get on the connecting bus. It's a bummer afterwards.

@James.au way off on the wrong(strike through) non-existent track there

Never has been a Port Fairy to Portland rail line. Closest was via Koroit to Hamilton (ripped up eons ago).

Port Fairy to Portland a nice dream new extension that's not going to happen. 80km of virgin line.

Forget the gauge, only the last 5km into Portland would be relevant, so DO NOT re-build the entire network.
The last stretch could be DG to save a few bob sharing the existing track, but not worth the bother ending up in the Port instead of Town.

Some magic day Portland might get a pax train back. Would be on the existing line, and time comparable to the imaginary via Warrnambool.

cheers
John
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
@James.au way off on the wrong track there

Never has been a Port Fairy to Portland rail line. Closest was via Koroit to Hamilton (ripped up eons ago).
justarider
I suggest you reword your above sentence to way off on non-existent track.  I knew there was a line down there somewhere but thought as PIMM had mentioned Heywood-Port Fairy that the line went there.  I retract my above in regards to this point!
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

In fact if memory serves me correctly the residents of Port Fairy in the Octopus era advocated very strongly for their line to be from Portland instead of from Warrnambool, for obvious reasons.
  RedEyeExpress Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
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