2019 Federal Election Thread

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
@Duncs just love this one!

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  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I spose we could put up a picture of Shouty with his head up his butt, looking for a policy
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I've come to the conclusion that one must have a Personality Disorder to be a politician in this country.
Did you catch Clive on 9's today show this morning?
If what you're suggesting above is correct, then Clive is eminently qualified to be PM.
michaelgm
What is Clive there for other than to be the Joh for Canberra in 2019?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
bevans
The PTUA is a bit clueless on why people drive to the state even if there is a bus option. I used to do the same, it was to save 1h a day of what was already a 5h day return commute many years ago.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
...on the other hand the LNP typically leave govt with a balanced budget and less or no debt.

So how did they manage to double national debt in just six years given (according to you) they have superior economic skills?
don_dunstan
So you need another history lesson, again?

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-has-australias-net-debt-doubled-under-the-current-government-100819

2007, last budget by LNP was around -$22B debt (that's cash in the bank and does not include the money paid into the future fund)

2013 (change of govt), last budget by ALP govt was around ~$157B in debt ($179B increase in 6 years) and rising at some of its highest rates under ALP
In addition the net debt as GDP ratio was around 12% at change of govt

So the ALP govt increased the net debt by an infinite percentage as they were handed a negative net debt and negative deficit.
I assume at this point you will agree with this data.

2016, the govt debt hits around $300B'ish, but the net debt of GDP ratio plateau's out at around 18% for next few years due to expansion of the economy and reducing deficit.

2019, the govt debt is plateauing out at just over $350B, but the net debt of GDP ratio is still around 18% and dropping. ie the debt is more affordable due to combined efforts of zero deficit and expansion of the economy.


Now before we hear the GFC rhetoric again.
- Yes, Rudd spent Australia through the GFC to avoid a recession. Good work, no complaints from me although the delivery needed to slightly different approach. I don't agree with throwing money at people, build smeg! Could have built the Inland.

Q to the Punters, how much do you expect teh govt to blow trying to prop up the economy and when would you expect the govt to return to surplus during the following years which were a booming time, high wages growth and where the $ exceeded parity? I would have thought 3 years to achieve surplus in a booming economy is more than enough time to flat line the deficit.

- Now, roll the dice to 2013, even you Donny Boy will acknowledge that the Australian economy came off the boil around Q3 2013 due to the end of the mining boom. Q3 2013 saw the Dollar at it highest prior to it crashing over the following two years and with it rising unemployment. Canada and other similar commodity driven economies actually had a recession at this time, so Australia dodged a bullet a 2nd time.

So around the time the ALP dumped the dying economy onto the Libs at the 2013 election, the deficit was round $35B, nearly 8% of the Fed budget. The Libs rather than quickly pulling the reins in and sending the economy into a recession had to again go spending.

Also note there is such a thing as budget/economy inertia in that following a change in govt, it takes a few years for the incoming govt to deal with built in expenses and revenue. Remember the election in 2013 was in Q3, so that its nearly 9mths post election before the LNP first budget which itself doesn't start to take effect from mid 2014 and hence its mid 2015 before their first budget is completed its cycle. So allow two years to deal with the budget/economy inertia for the LNP's policies to start hitting the economy in full strength and over ride anything from previous govt. From there it was another 4 years to achieve break even while at the same time not inducing a recession and actually growing the economy at the same time. Yes I would have likened it sooner.


Like or not the strategy to boost immigration was to prevent a recession and increase the number of taxpayers to fund the debt and dilute the cost of servicing the debt.  

Yes the current budget surplus is fragile as the first one will always be as its a small number with numerous other challenges and risks to the economy.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
What a load of bollocks.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Queensland politicians just can't seem to help themselves from getting drunk and disgracing themselves in certain American establishments:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/federal-election/one-nation-member-caught-in-strip-club-video/news-story/4cfeeb5567f5a1e161f2f8c201376c6d

And Pauline is digging an even bigger hole for herself.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
What I find rather telling is that when Pauline and Clives mob originally got in a couple of elections ago, with a few senators and whatever, within 12 months three quarters of them had shot through. Glenn Lazarus and co.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

In Summary, does anyone know what specifics have been offered by either of the major parties in relation to rail?

I know PUP wants a maglev.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
In Summary, does anyone know what specifics have been offered by either of the major parties in relation to rail?

I know PUP wants a maglev.
ANR
It's not PUP anymore - it is now UAP.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
...on the other hand the LNP typically leave govt with a balanced budget and less or no debt.

So how did they manage to double national debt in just six years given (according to you) they have superior economic skills?
So you need another history lesson, again?
RTT_Rules
You spent all that time and effort typing that out only to be told by me - yet again - that the simple truth is:

“The Coalition has added more debt
in five and a half years than all
governments over the preceding 118 years”


Indisputable fact. Please stop trying to white-wash it, justify it, explain it away. The LNP have managed to add more debt in five and a half years than all governments have done since Federation. Full-stop.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Like or not the strategy to boost immigration was to prevent a recession and increase the number of taxpayers to fund the debt and dilute the cost of servicing the debt.  
RTT_Rules
So our mass immigration program to prop up the economy with 'skilled' workers - like this Malaysian woman charged with blackmail yesterday in Melbourne?

A Malaysian woman who allegedly tried to blackmail the parents of a dying baby has been labelled a 'disgrace' by the child's heartbroken parents.

Siti Nurhidayah Kamal, 24, was refused bail on Monday amid fears she will attempt to flee the country.

The mother of two is accused of contacting the parents of 11-month old Amiyah Windross and asking for $1000 for the return of a stolen mobile phone which contained precious photos of their child...

...The Ringwood Magistrates' Court heard Kamal and her husband had been working as Uber Eats deliverers earning $120 a day.
[Their lawyer] Mr Dekker said the couple left their children in Malaysia and had been trying to make ends meet when they fell on hard times and couldn't pay the rent.

So blackmailing a stranger is okay when you're only a struggling Uber Eats driver trying to get a foot-hold in Australia? Poor them.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
So around the time the ALP dumped the dying economy onto the Libs at the 2013 election, the deficit was round $35B, nearly 8% of the Fed budget. The Libs rather than quickly pulling the reins in and sending the economy into a recession had to again go spending.
RTT_Rules
So Tones goes out and does the exact opposite of what he said he would do before the 2013 election - but that's okay because according to you they had no choice but to keep spending money like there's no tomorrow.

So according to you Labor Party deficit spending = bad economic management.
But Liberal/National Party deficit spending = necessary economic stimulus.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Queensland politicians just can't seem to help themselves from getting drunk and disgracing themselves in certain American establishments:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/federal-election/one-nation-member-caught-in-strip-club-video/news-story/4cfeeb5567f5a1e161f2f8c201376c6d

And Pauline is digging an even bigger hole for herself.
Carnot
How times have changed. I remember back when can't organise a root in a brothel was a figurative saying.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
No wonder One Nation didn't get a rarzoo,

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2019/04/29/is-the-nra-imploding-completely/
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

No wonder One Nation didn't get a rarzoo,

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2019/04/29/is-the-nra-imploding-completely/
wobert
Donald still reckons they're a "Very Important Organisation":


Most Aussies would like to see the end of both the NRA and One Nation.  The problem is that the alternatives are worse (i.e. NAGR and Fraser Anning's mob).
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
The previous ALP government made some glaring mistakes on this issue, but what the current mob haven't done in the last six years should see most of them locked up.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/04/origin-steals-record-loot-everyone/
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
So around the time the ALP dumped the dying economy onto the Libs at the 2013 election, the deficit was round $35B, nearly 8% of the Fed budget. The Libs rather than quickly pulling the reins in and sending the economy into a recession had to again go spending.
So Tones goes out and does the exact opposite of what he said he would do before the 2013 election - but that's okay because according to you they had no choice but to keep spending money like there's no tomorrow.

So according to you Labor Party deficit spending = bad economic management.
But Liberal/National Party deficit spending = necessary economic stimulus.
don_dunstan
Game Set Match
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Queensland politicians just can't seem to help themselves from getting drunk and disgracing themselves in certain American establishments:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/federal-election/one-nation-member-caught-in-strip-club-video/news-story/4cfeeb5567f5a1e161f2f8c201376c6d

And Pauline is digging an even bigger hole for herself.
Carnot
Of interest is Pauline Hanson kicked him out for visiting a strip club but not for trying to get $20 million from the USA NRA gun fanatic cowboy rednecks!
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

It’s a classic case of “Careful what you wish for…………..”. The episode at the strip club wasn’t shown in the ABC and al-Jazeera program on One Nation’s dealings with the NRA. After the program Pauline Hanson demanded (apart from the ludicrous claim she was dubbed) all the footage be released so that it could be viewed in context.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Amusing to see Michaelia Cash and Mother of Satan were trending topics on Twitter at the same time this afternoon.

Satan was asked about his association with Cash, and responded by refusing to answer defamatory questions.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
paulines going to have some harsh words with that Al  Jazeera bloke
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
paulines going to have some harsh words with that Al  Jazeera bloke
wobert
I watched that Tracey Grimshaw interview with a family member last night and we were both really impressed with Pauline, say what you like about her but she's a sincere human being and I'm still voting for her. I'm also convinced that the whole al Jazera thing was a stitch-up - we've seen only recently with Barnaby's $80 million water buy-back how much corruption there is in Canberra but they chose to try and get James Ashby to ask the NRA for money?

Please. There's heaps of real, actual corruption in Canberra they could be investigating and instead they were trying to smear Pauline with something she didn't do - that trip didn't result in anything anyway except an ill-advised trip to a Washington DC strip joint...
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Stanley Kubrick shot the moon landing
The Queen is a lizard person
Obama is a reptilian shapeshifter
The world is flat
The UN is actually the new world order
Vaccinating your child gives them autism

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