Bill Shorten woos Victorian voters with $10 billion funding pledge for suburban rail loop

 

News article: Bill Shorten woos Victorian voters with $10 billion funding pledge for suburban rail loop

Bill Shorten will use the largest federal funding injection in public transport history to turbocharge the crucial final days of the election campaign, in a $10 billion promise designed to help snatch up to half a dozen seats from the Morrison government in Victoria.

  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

Although I don't begrudge Labor's commitment to funding major suburban rail projects in Australia's fastest growing city in Melbourne, for understandable political reasons, he should be careful not to alienate voters in what is still Australia's largest city for the foreseeable future, being in Sydney, with a far more complex and expansive suburban rail network.

I would hope that if Labor commits to further rail funding in Sydney post the election, that they would heavily scrutinise the relative benefits through Infrastructure Australia of upgrading and extending the existing network against building new segregated metro lines or converting existing lines to metro.  As long as it's a transparent process, whichever option is preferred, then I have no problem with that.

Bill Shorten woos Victorian voters with $10 billion funding pledge for suburban rail loop

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Already over here...

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398258-0-asc-s550.htm
  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Although I don't begrudge Labor's commitment to funding major suburban rail projects in Australia's fastest growing city in Melbourne, for understandable political reasons, he should be careful not to alienate voters in what is still Australia's largest city for the foreseeable future, being in Sydney, with a far more complex and expansive suburban rail network.

I would hope that if Labor commits to further rail funding in Sydney post the election, that they would heavily scrutinise the relative benefits through Infrastructure Australia of upgrading and extending the existing network against building new segregated metro lines or converting existing lines to metro.  As long as it's a transparent process, whichever option is preferred, then I have no problem with that.

Bill Shorten woos Victorian voters with $10 billion funding pledge for suburban rail loop
Transtopic

I must say I am a bit concerned that a potential future Federal Government would allocate such a large amount of money to a project that doesn't even have a business case!  There is so little detail known about this project at the moment, it was even kept secret from Melbourne's main transport agencies.  I think it is way too early to be allocating that much money to a project until we know much more about it.  

It is a bit like the initial back of the envelope costing that were done for Melbourne's Regional Rail Link, although many parts of that project were worthwhile in terms of providing public transport to new growth areas and providing greater capacity into the City for V/Line services.  I am just concerned with Suburban Rail Link that the costs may substantially outweigh the benefits.

Ross
  9034 Train Controller

Wonder whose money he is spending or will he have to raise another tax.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Although I don't begrudge Labor's commitment to funding major suburban rail projects in Australia's fastest growing city in Melbourne, for understandable political reasons, he should be careful not to alienate voters in what is still Australia's largest city for the foreseeable future, being in Sydney, with a far more complex and expansive suburban rail network.

Transtopic
Melbourne is Australia's fastest growing city, now! I'm fairly certain that it was just over 10 years ago that was Brisbane with Brisbane expected to out grow Melbourne within 20-25 years. Times change, will Melbourne retain its current status?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Do we really need a business case for this project?

It is clear to just about everyone (and why business case public transport) Melbourne is growing at a great rate more than any other city in Australia and maybe even Oceania region and we need sustainable transport solutions.

Audi has come out in the press in the last week stating they believe they will be 30% less cars on the road in 14 years then we have today due to ride sharing and other modes of transport including public transport.  Road projects now are really old school and metro mass transit systems will be the way of the future.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Do we really need a business case for this project?
x31

Oh come on. I’m a big fan of this project but even I would be horrified if a business case wasn’t conducted.

At the very least a business case is needed to assess station locations and service levels in order to determine detailed specifications.

Also, can I implore everyone on this thread to head over to the Melbourne suburban thread and read the ~15 pages of discussion there where the cases for and against have actually been presented quite well among all the foam.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Let's take the discussion over to the other thread.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2144587.htm#2144587

Mods can you please lock?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Wonder whose money he is spending or will he have to raise another tax.
9034

Yep...you've fallen for the ScoMo propaganda.

It won't be doing ScoMo any good in a few days when he, along with Clive will shut up like a book.

Mike.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Wonder whose money he is spending or will he have to raise another tax.

Yep...you've fallen for the ScoMo propaganda.

It won't be doing ScoMo any good in a few days when he, along with Clive will shut up like a book.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Seems like you paid out like sportsbet I see Vinelander!!!!!!!!!

The book is still open and the rail loop is going nowhere.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Wonder whose money he is spending or will he have to raise another tax.

Yep...you've fallen for the ScoMo propaganda.

It won't be doing ScoMo any good in a few days when he, along with Clive will shut up like a book.

Mike.

Seems like you paid out like sportsbet I see Vinelander!!!!!!!!!

The book is still open and the rail loop is going nowhere.
simstrain

...and aren't we all grateful we live in a democracy and not a police state or a dictatorship Question

Personally I'd rather the new federal government with a scant offering of policies compared to the alternative that's on offer in many other countries.

That said...Dan Andrews suburban rail loop is definitely going ahead with or without the naysayers approval. The start-up is budgeted for and it will take up to 3 decades to complete. It was also the centrepiece of Dan's infrastructure led election win and Dan as I have said before doesn't break election promises.

The incoming federal government will be around for three politically interesting years...approximately one tenth of the suburban rail loop construction time.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

you will most likely only get the airport line since no government has ever lasted 30 years and projects get cancelled by new governments or even the governments that proposed them all the time.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

you will most likely only get the airport line since no government has ever lasted 30 years and projects get cancelled by new governments or even the governments that proposed them all the time.
simstrain
Fairly silly take. Suppose you do the project in four stages. Then you only need four governments to support it sufficiently to get shovels in the ground by the end of their term.

And I'm sure plenty of people 30 years ago said the ring road would never be complete, but here we are...
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
you will most likely only get the airport line since no government has ever lasted 30 years and projects get cancelled by new governments or even the governments that proposed them all the time.
simstrain

As Dan has only just been re-elected and ScoMo will have to go to the polls again before Dan does, the suburban rail loop will be well underway by then and unlikely to be cancelled by either party in Victoria in the unfortunate event of Dan losing office in 2022.

The Suburban rail loop is definitely a goer and Victorians for the most part are, compared to our friends north of the Murray...currently a bunch of lefties Smile

Mike.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
you will most likely only get the airport line since no government has ever lasted 30 years and projects get cancelled by new governments or even the governments that proposed them all the time.

As Dan has only just been re-elected and ScoMo will have to go to the polls again before Dan does, the suburban rail loop will be well underway by then and unlikely to be cancelled by either party in Victoria in the unfortunate event of Dan losing office in 2022.

The Suburban rail loop is definitely a goer and Victorians for the most part are, compared to our friends north of the Murray...currently a bunch of lefties Smile

Mike.
The Vinelander
Many Conservative voters I know actually like Dan (I live in Greg Hunts seat) Because He's getting things done and Has a seemingly a vision, something that many politicians seem to not have in this age
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Many Conservative voters I know actually like Dan (I live in Greg Hunts seat) Because He's getting things done and Has a seemingly a vision, something that many politicians seem to not have in this age
Dangersdan707
Same reason that Gladys Berejiklian was re-elected with a majority in the NSW state election this year. She's getting it done, while Labor were waffling about on unimportant issues.
  9034 Train Controller

Which is why most long term projects are done in phases.  Not only because the cost cannot be afforded in a single year, but  because the project will take many years to complete.  And that is why a business plan is essential,  rather then just holding out the empty hand and saying give me the money.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

you will most likely only get the airport line since no government has ever lasted 30 years and projects get cancelled by new governments or even the governments that proposed them all the time.

As Dan has only just been re-elected and ScoMo will have to go to the polls again before Dan does, the suburban rail loop will be well underway by then and unlikely to be cancelled by either party in Victoria in the unfortunate event of Dan losing office in 2022.

The Suburban rail loop is definitely a goer and Victorians for the most part are, compared to our friends north of the Murray...currently a bunch of lefties Smile

Mike.
Many Conservative voters I know actually like Dan (I live in Greg Hunts seat) Because He's getting things done and Has a seemingly a vision, something that many politicians seem to not have in this age
Dangersdan707

Maybe but the suburban rail loop is a mega project that is still going to take 20-30 years to build and a single change in government in Victoria can change the outcome of the project.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
This project will die without federal funding.

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