Reusable waste on train from the Netherlands to Austria

 

News article: Reusable waste on train from the Netherlands to Austria

Dutch shipper N+P Group carried out several shipments of of waste and residue material by train between the Netherlands and Austria.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is it time we started thinking about moving rubbisfh more and more via rail since china is not longer taking our waste?

Plans are underway for rubbish to gippsland by rail and we also have the large planned development in Ballarat for power generation via waste so the idea of using rail for these very large volumes is starting to materialise.

Reusable waste on train from the Netherlands to Austria

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  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Is it time we started thinking about moving rubbisfh more and more via rail since china is not longer taking our waste?

Plans are underway for rubbish to gippsland by rail and we also have the large planned development in Ballarat for power generation via waste so the idea of using rail for these very large volumes is starting to materialise.

Reusable waste on train from the Netherlands to Austria
bevans
Need a longterm domestic solution and then deal with the issue of logistics.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
There’s a big hole in the ground at Leigh Creek, with a rail link.Razz

There are already trains taking rubbish from Sydney to Crisps Creek.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There’s a big hole in the ground at Leigh Creek, with a rail link.Razz

There are already trains taking rubbish from Sydney to Crisps Creek.
SinickleBird


That is not a silly idea.  It has merit.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
There’s a big hole in the ground at Leigh Creek, with a rail link.Razz

There are already trains taking rubbish from Sydney to Crisps Creek.


That is not a silly idea.  It has merit.
bevans
There are big holes alot closer.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Lets Rail it to Traralgon and Dump it in the Now out of use coal mine Twisted Evil Its Polluted enough in the Latrobe Valley
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Rail is used extensively in UK from transporting rubbish from major cities to landfill sites. There is a very large facility at Calvert (Oxfordshire, IIRC) that receives multiple trains per day, from as far away as Bristol.

Key considerations:

Smell - need to locate away (or downwind) from population centres. Leigh Creek works; Crisps Creek works; not sure about the geography of Traralgon.

Pollution of groundwater. Calvert is located in an old clay pit, which offers good protection for aquifers. The underlying clay enables leachate to be recovered. Leigh Creek rainfall is sod-all per annum. Traralgon is rather wet - might need to line the landfill first.

Recovery of decomposition gases. Calvert has many gas well, collecting gases for electricity generation. Gippsland has existing grid connections that may well give advantages. Leigh Creek less so on this test.

I do wonder why government in this country hasn’t done more work on rubbish disposal/reclamation. Perhaps it has been done, but not widely publicised.

And then there is plastic- one of the worst inventions ever ☹️
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Lets Rail it to Traralgon and Dump it in the Now out of use coal mine Twisted Evil Its Polluted enough in the Latrobe Valley
Dangersdan707

The issue only being Gippsland is on BG and not a national gauge wjich means conversion or a BG loading point in the network somewhere.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There are two projects which have been referenced on RP involving waste  movement which would require rail.

1. The proposed Asian Backed electricity generation plant at Ballarat which by the volumes would need around 20 wagons per day into the plant.  I see this being able to be delivered on either BG or SG or both.

2. A similar project being proposed at Maryvale with rail access already flagged for use for inbound rubbish.

What we do not yet have is a rail based recycling project where large amount amounts of plastics could be railed to the processing plant.  So what is missing is a processing plant which on volumes would need rail as it would be cheaper anyhow.  I would advocate for the plant to be on a standard gauge link.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Lets Rail it to Traralgon and Dump it in the Now out of use coal mine Twisted Evil Its Polluted enough in the Latrobe Valley

The issue only being Gippsland is on BG and not a national gauge wjich means conversion or a BG loading point in the network somewhere.
bevans
gauge transfer exists
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
...or take only Melbourne trash to Traralgon.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
...or take only Melbourne trash to Traralgon.
SinickleBird
BG Network Rubbish
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Lets Rail it to Traralgon and Dump it in the Now out of use coal mine Twisted Evil Its Polluted enough in the Latrobe Valley

The issue only being Gippsland is on BG and not a national gauge wjich means conversion or a BG loading point in the network somewhere.
gauge transfer exists
Dangersdan707

It would not be hard if gauge convertible wagons were used as they are in Europe?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Gauge convertible bogies would be an astonishing level of investment for rubbish.

Packing it in containers and swapping the containers from one train to the other would be fine.

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