2019 Federal Election Thread

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
On the balance of probabilities test - ALP win

On the beyond reasonable doubt test - harder to say
georges
I'd say you are a right but a Liberal (or indeed Labor) minority government is still a distinct possibility.

For the first time in years I really don't care... although I detest Shorten's unlimited parental visas as I've already explained on this thread. If we start making it really easy to import the elderly then the collapse of the public health and welfare systems will not be too far behind, mark my words.

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

x31
That is one of the worst photoshop jobs I've seen in ages.

I think it's an attempt to help Dutton by making his opponents look crazy.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Not sure why so many in Australia have trouble with this.
RTT_Rules
RTT, I hope for your sake, you are not getting left behind the rest of us by being out of the loop for all these years over in that middle eastern location. Hate to think we will lose an interesting debating partner as you lose touch with normal Australians, as your above statement suggests you don't understand why the mood is changing here in mainstream Australia. Sure, there are still many pockets of old fashioned thinking, but even the diehards are angry with the climate change deniers, especially after the Darling River situation flashed all over our TV in recent months, and some have linked it to Barnaby Joyce and cotton etc etc
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

The Darling River is a govt made catastrophe. The Menindee Lake system should never have been drained - twice. The people of the region and the nation in general are owed a Royal Commissionn on how this mismanagement was allowed to happen, unchecked.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
That is one of the worst photoshop jobs I've seen in ages.
justapassenger
It might be a three legged dog! Wink
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

Heads Up, according to the greens their polling suggests they are a more than reasonable chance for Higgins this coming saturday.  This election is really something special with so many twists and turns during the campaign, is it even possible at Wednesday to predict who will be in power Saturday night?
bevans
All leave and prior engagements are cancelled on Saturday night.  Compulsive viewing awaits us.
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

I will be deeply disappointed with the intelligence of the Australian Electorate on Saturday if Labor is not elected with a substantial majority.  How could anyone with half a brain re-elect this dysfunctional LNP rabble, with no vision for the future, relying solely on misinformation criticising the Labor Party policies?  They have nothing to offer, other than maintaining the status quo.  It's a typical strategy for a "Conservative" Party who fear change, not a true "Liberal" Party.  Just to put things into perspective, I have been a lifelong Liberal voter, but no more.
  allan Chief Commissioner

The Darling River is a govt made catastrophe. The Menindee Lake system should never have been drained - twice. The people of the region and the nation in general are owed a Royal Commissionn on how this mismanagement was allowed to happen, unchecked.
ANR
"The Darling River is a govt made catastrophe." No argument with this, it's true at many levels from over allocation of irrigation water to the causes of the unprecedented drought. And I agree that a Royal Commission is in order.

But, the root of the problem is a long way upstream of Menindee. There is very little water taken from the Darling downstream of Burke, though Broken Hill used to draw it's water from Lake Weatherell, which is behind a dam a little upstream from Menindee. The lakes are a very ordinary storage system - wide and shallow, and subject to very high evaporation.

I was at Menindee when the regulator was last opened...
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
With the opinion polls so close now, is anyone brave enough to call a winner?

Here is my 2 cents... A hung parliament with an ultra right wing Senate.

A problem result, regardless of an ALP or Coalition minority government or even outright victory.

Clive's $55 million campaign will come home to roost.
ANR

Shorten by 10 seats.

M.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Last night Kathy Sherriff and Peter Faris QC visited Victoria Police to hand over new material for the Shorten rape investigation.

"The police told me (in August 2014) that if new witnesses were located or other evidence was found, then they would look at reopening my case," Kathy said in a statement last night.

Today Kathy said, "Last night (Peter Faris QC) and I provided (to police) a list of witnesses who could provide further evidence. This list was accepted and attached to an email to an officer who investigated my case in 2014. My mobile contact was provided for this officer to call me".
"I seek an urgent response from police".

Victoria Police said at the conclusion of the 2014 investigation, "Investigating police sought advice from the Office of Public Prosecutions, which advised there was no reasonable prospect of conviction".

We don't know the weight of Kathy's new evidence, but we are all entitled to know that it will be assessed by police and the OPP.  Rape is one of the most serious offences on our criminal statutes.  

We will keep you posted.

Here's the ABC's report at the time of the 2014 decision not to take Kathy's allegations to court:

[img]https://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/.a/6a0177444b0c2e970d0240a45dd9c3200c-800wi[/img]
ENDS
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
That is one of the worst photoshop jobs I've seen in ages.
"justapassenger"
Agreed; but who cares? It's the sentiment that counts.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Not sure why so many in Australia have trouble with this.
RTT, I hope for your sake, you are not getting left behind the rest of us by being out of the loop for all these years over in that middle eastern location. Hate to think we will lose an interesting debating partner as you lose touch with normal Australians, as your above statement suggests you don't understand why the mood is changing here in mainstream Australia. Sure, there are still many pockets of old fashioned thinking, but even the diehards are angry with the climate change deniers, especially after the Darling River situation flashed all over our TV in recent months, and some have linked it to Barnaby Joyce and cotton etc etc
petan
I was referring to illegal immigration.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I will be deeply disappointed with the intelligence of the Australian Electorate on Saturday if Labor is not elected with a substantial majority.  How could anyone with half a brain re-elect this dysfunctional LNP rabble, with no vision for the future, relying solely on misinformation criticising the Labor Party policies?  They have nothing to offer, other than maintaining the status quo.  It's a typical strategy for a "Conservative" Party who fear change, not a true "Liberal" Party.  Just to put things into perspective, I have been a lifelong Liberal voter, but no more.
Transtopic
On any one election night just over half will get it wrong as in a few years their choice will be clearly shown as a mistake and be voted out again.

Hard to critise the ALP polices when they carefully withhold much of the detail.

As far as misinformation, how many elections have we heard about privatizing Medicare, the ABC......

I could refer you to a friends FB page (Hard line lefty) that is full of published and approved by ALP pro-ALP propaganda that is mostly wrong to anyone w who takes 30sec and looks up Wiki or some other reference and quietly ignores their own screw-ups.  

The dysfunctional rabble was at its best in 2012-2013, under MT, the LNP was equally a mess and they deserve to be voted out for allowing MT to destroy the party and govt from the bench and to add stupidity to their insult they made him PM. However, it would appear while SCOMO was given leadership of the Titantic at midnight on a cold still night, he however has managed to turn the tide somewhat and potentially could have saved the ship had he  been given more time.

The problem with the LNP vision, is that is often clouded by dealing with the basket-case budget handed over by the so called "visionaries" when they leave. It will be interesting to see what happens in 6 years time as this maybe 3 strikes!
  kitchgp Deputy Commissioner

The pork barrel is almost empty, time to scrape its bottom.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I think I've just worked out what this election campaign is missing - TV ads with catchy jingles:


https://youtu.be/6hPken2ewks
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The election campaign is also about the only advertising that is not promoting something as "award-winning."
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I think I've just worked out what this election campaign is missing - TV ads with catchy jingles:
Carnot
Every major event needs a "song", even the Simpsons had one for their Monorail!
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Lots of people I know are getting harassed with robocalls today (up to 8 in 10 hours), including those on the Do Not Call registry (political robocalls are exempt apparently).

ALP seem to be the ones most complained about.

AsAlucj would have it, our landline has been out of action for over two weeks due to the failure of our NBN connection and sheer incompetence of our service provider to fix it...  Malcolm Turnbull - all is (sort of) forgiven.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
The problem with the LNP vision
RTT_Rules
Is they have none. They preside over do SFA governments. When the world was firing on all cylinders they never had to do much anyway. The last 6 years has shown they can't perform economic miracles, not even close. The great myth of LNP superior economic management.

If it wasn't for that Iron Ore mine disaster The Morrison Show would have nothing in the war chest. To make up the balance they are looking to make massive cuts to the Public Service (aren't they all contractors yet Surprised ).
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Hmmm, you guys all think HSR is complete foam and a waste of money.  Victorian rail fan wants to be an Independent for the Victorian Senate. This ambitious agenda is full of foam, very wishful thinking.

http://www.robertwhitehill.net/Policies.html

Expansion of Melbourne's tram network by 2040 to:
  • Chadstone
  • Doncaster
  • KnoxDarling
  • South Morang
  • Melbourne Airport
  • Williamstown via Fishermans Bend
  • Truganina via Fishermans Bend
  • Williamstown-Sunshine


Expansion of Victoria's passenger train network by 2050 to:
  • Rosebud (including Baxter/Karingal Hub electrification and Stony Point line duplication)
  • Cross-peninsula (Rosebud-Hastings via Flinders)
  • Inverloch
  • Cowes
  • Yarram via Leongatha
  • Lakes Entrance
  • Maffra
  • Cross-Gippsland (Inverloch-Morwell via Leongatha)
  • Rowville
  • Berwick via Chadstone
  • Warburton
  • Healesville
  • Whittlesea
  • Yarrawonga
  • Rutherglen
  • Cobram
  • Melbourne Airport (redirecting Seymour and Bendigo trains)
  • Robinvale
  • Sea Lake
  • Mildura
  • Hopetoun
  • Yaapeet
  • Nhill
  • Portland
  • Skipton
  • Geelong-Bendigo
  • Castlemaine-Ararat


Metro networks in:
  • LaTrobe City (Moe-Traralgon and Morwell-Churchill)
  • Bendigo (Eaglehawk-Kangaroo Flat and Bendigo-Huntly)
  • Ballarat (Warrenheip-Lucas)
  • Geelong (Avalon Airport-Torquay, Drysdale-Bannockburn and Ocean Grove-Inverleigh)
  • Mildura (Red Cliffs-Merbein)
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The problem with the LNP vision
Is they have none. They preside over do SFA governments. When the world was firing on all cylinders they never had to do much anyway. The last 6 years has shown they can't perform economic miracles, not even close. The great myth of LNP superior economic management.

If it wasn't for that Iron Ore mine disaster The Morrison Show would have nothing in the war chest. To make up the balance they are looking to make massive cuts to the Public Service (aren't they all contractors yet Surprised ).
Groundrelay
Shorten has none either - import the world's elderly to come to Australia and die on our dime. A trillion dollars for a sustainable energy package to address a threat that doesn't exist. Spend, spend, spend.

No matter who gets into office after tomorrow night they'll have to address the impacts of the US/China trade war; and Trump is showing no sign of backing down and in fact tariffs appear to have been doing the US economy good (what a surprise).
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The problem with the LNP vision
Is they have none. They preside over do SFA governments. When the world was firing on all cylinders they never had to do much anyway. The last 6 years has shown they can't perform economic miracles, not even close. The great myth of LNP superior economic management.

If it wasn't for that Iron Ore mine disaster The Morrison Show would have nothing in the war chest. To make up the balance they are looking to make massive cuts to the Public Service (aren't they all contractors yet Surprised ).
Shorten has none either - import the world's elderly to come to Australia and die on our dime. A trillion dollars for a sustainable energy package to address a threat that doesn't exist. Spend, spend, spend.

No matter who gets into office after tomorrow night they'll have to address the impacts of the US/China trade war; and Trump is showing no sign of backing down and in fact tariffs appear to have been doing the US economy good (what a surprise).
don_dunstan
So you don't think Climate Change is real. Alright.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The problem with the LNP vision
Is they have none. They preside over do SFA governments. When the world was firing on all cylinders they never had to do much anyway. The last 6 years has shown they can't perform economic miracles, not even close. The great myth of LNP superior economic management.

If it wasn't for that Iron Ore mine disaster The Morrison Show would have nothing in the war chest. To make up the balance they are looking to make massive cuts to the Public Service (aren't they all contractors yet Surprised ).
Shorten has none either - import the world's elderly to come to Australia and die on our dime. A trillion dollars for a sustainable energy package to address a threat that doesn't exist. Spend, spend, spend.

No matter who gets into office after tomorrow night they'll have to address the impacts of the US/China trade war; and Trump is showing no sign of backing down and in fact tariffs appear to have been doing the US economy good (what a surprise).
So you don't think Climate Change is real. Alright.
True Believers
I did once upon a time; I read the books, I bought the tee-shirt.

But it's not real. If it was then Tuvalu and The Maldives would be underwater by now as predicted; the ice caps would be fully melted and coastal areas would be meters underwater. We were never going to have any rain in southern Australia ever again - remember that one? Where are the catastrophic weather events we were promised - more intense cyclones further south? In fact the Bureau of Met says there's been less cyclones.

Follow the money - Malcolm Turnbull and the Holmes A'Court family are set to make billions if the green energy push continues, at the expense of people like me who are expected to pay 44 cents a kilowatt hour to support this rubbish.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

I did once upon a time; I read the books, I bought the tee-shirt. But it's not real. If it was then Tuvalu and The Maldives would be underwater by now as predicted; the ice caps would be fully melted and coastal areas would be meters underwater. We were never going to have any rain in southern Australia ever again - remember that one? Where are the catastrophic weather events we were promised - more intense cyclones further south? In fact the Bureau of Met says there's been less cyclones. Follow the money - Malcolm Turnbull and the Holmes A'Court family are set to make billions if the green energy push continues, at the expense of people like me who are expected to pay 44 cents a kilowatt hour to support this rubbish.
don-dunstan
I'm sorry but this is plain ignorance. Global temperatures have clearly been rising. According to the reliable National Geographic, the last five years have been the hottest on record! It's astonishing that we're still having this "debate".
The fact is that the government has been subsidising lucrative jobs for miners, who, compared to our educated and worldly scientists, have comparatively low to offer intellectually or qualification-wise. This, of course, has a huge opportunity cost of missing out on the ability to kick-start a huge renewable energy industry. Since Australia gets so much sun, we should be exporting solar energy to Asia. We should also be funding the CSIRO to continue to deliver the goods that they have in the past, such as Wi-Fi.
Furthermore, the predictions for Tuvalu and The Maldives to go underwater are still years away. The point is that we must act now. Have you seen the videos of huge ice sheets melting? Have you seen the diagrams of the vast loss of ice in the Arctic?
As I was taught in kindergarten, adding more water to a container is going to make it overflow, so there are obviously going to be several islands and lowlands threatened. Are you prepared to drastically increase Australia's refugee intake when the Bangladeshis, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. lose their river-deltas to the sea?
Now, I'm not anti-mining; Australia has vast resources, some of which should be used in the production process. But using them to burn is idiotic, short-sighted and selfish, especially when we could so easy implement renewable+battery technology.
Maybe if electricity was still nationalised we would have missed out on these price-hikes. We are paying for the profits of dodgy businesses rather than the government of whom's spending is generally beneficial to society.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
You still haven't shown how a minute increase in CO2 is doing all this.  It has to be the most dangerous chemical on Earth.   Here I was thinking it was the lifeblood of the planet.

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