Rugby Australia terminates Israel Folau’s contract

 
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Apparently he is a nontrinitarian,  was raised a Mormon, and converted to the Assemblies of God sect, so if he was sacked for religious beliefs, it was for being a heretic because he's certainly not a Christian. As his employer, Rugby Australia should be able to sack him just because they feel like it, whatever he says. Their money, they can decide what he should do to get it. Ironic that Alan Jones, with his history of funny business in a men's toilet, should defend him so vigorously.

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I don't know why people insist on pretending  that he wasn't sacked because of his faith.

He was expressing the views of his religion , he was sacked for expressing the views of his religion.
emerald-a
Nonsense.
He was sacked for breaching his contract - simple as that.
Any organisation will contain people of all sorts of faiths, as well as those without. There is a place for anyone.  The organisation has a responsibility to accept people regardless of beliefs, but it cannot condone vilification of others by any person - in this case Israel Folau.
Unfortunately, we now have to put up with the Bible-bashers screaming, "Religious persecution". It isn't. Persecution is stopping, or attempting to stop, religious beliefs, and is completely irrelevant in this context.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Nothing to do with religious or any other freedom. Plenty of jobs where you don't just sign up to do your thing, whether it's a media personality, actor or quasi-celebrity who plays sport. It's why a sponsor gets to pull their money if their brand is affected.
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

Folau was sacked for vilifying others who don't accept his religious beliefs, not for his beliefs in themselves.  There's a clear distinction.  Our society accepts the freedom speech in promoting their religious beliefs,  but not when you vilify others, whether for religious beliefs or otherwise.  There has to be an acceptance of other points of view, although you may not agree with them, rather than condemning them.  It's a two way street.  No one has the right to declare their beliefs superior to anyone else.  That includes Atheists.

In view of his previous transgression and his commitment to refrain from further controversial social media comments, he is extremely dumb if he thought he could get away with it.  What was he thinking?  The reality though is that some former team mates no longer want anything to do with him and the Wallabies' coach Michael Cheika has indicated that he won't select him.  He would be a divisive figure if selected back into the ranks and the code would be better off without him.  There are plenty of others who could fill his shoes.

If he decides to take legal action through the courts, then I seriously doubt if he would have much success.  He should weigh up his options carefully.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I don't know why people insist on pretending  that he wasn't sacked because of his faith.

He was expressing the views of his religion , he was sacked for expressing the views of his religion.
emerald-a

......and I'm guessing if a Muslim rugby player came out and publicly called for the adoption of Sharia law in Australia you'd be the first person on here calling for him to be sacked and deported Razz
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I don't know why people insist on pretending  that he wasn't sacked because of his faith.

He was expressing the views of his religion , he was sacked for expressing the views of his religion.

......and I'm guessing if a Muslim rugby player came out and publicly called for the adoption of Sharia law in Australia you'd be the first person on here calling for him to be sacked and deported Razz
bingley hall
Most mainstream Christians do not except the extremist version preached by Folau. Fundamentalist interpretations of the bible are for the stupid and brainwashed. Ask any degree trained biblical scholar how difficult it is to interpret what the bible is actually saying and its not easy. You need an understanding Aramaic, hebrew, Latin etc for a start. Folau is actually badly misleading his congregation and doing them and Christianity in general no favors.

That is my main concern about ScoMo as he belongs to a non intellectual version of Christianity that breaches dogma that is very contrary to actual Christian beliefs. Prosperity religion. A Christian fruit cake.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Wait. There’s an intellectual Christianity? I thought critical thinking in regards to religion was what made atheists.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I don't know why people insist on pretending  that he wasn't sacked because of his faith.

He was expressing the views of his religion , he was sacked for expressing the views of his religion.

......and I'm guessing if a Muslim rugby player came out and publicly called for the adoption of Sharia law in Australia you'd be the first person on here calling for him to be sacked and deported Razz
bingley hall
I'm not aware of mass Christian sackings Surprised
BTW if you work for most major corporations or the government you are subject to restrictions which constrain your freedom of expression. A dress code is a perfect example.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
I read Folau's tweets. They appeared to me to be warnings. Neither judgements nor expressions of hate.

Like the warnings at Bunnings in the electrical hardware products area about only licensed electricians doing electrical work. How many DIYers are grossly offended by these? At a guess, none.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I read Folau's tweets. They appeared to me to be warnings. Neither judgements nor expressions of hate.

Like the warnings at Bunnings in the electrical hardware products area about only licensed electricians doing electrical work. How many DIYers are grossly offended by these? At a guess, none.
GrahamH

But he was warned about not doing it again, having said the same thing previously. If he didn't like that condition being imposed upon him, he could have just walked away from his job.

My son works as a casual. On Friday he and several others were warned that if they didn't work their rostered day off this Monday (and without penalty rates) they could easily be replaced.    

Israel and his supporters need a spell out in the real world.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Could it be he wanted out of his contract with RA and so if he says he wants out he has to pay to do it, however if they sack him he does not pay a red cent. Charlie Sheen did this did he not, raves on like a mad man possessed about something gets sacked from the show he was on and continues to act in something else. Just a thought and a easy way out of a contract without any money really needing to change hands because RA have called it in not him. Might not be so, but who knows.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I read Folau's tweets. They appeared to me to be warnings. Neither judgements nor expressions of hate.

Like the warnings at Bunnings in the electrical hardware products area about only licensed electricians doing electrical work. How many DIYers are grossly offended by these? At a guess, none.
GrahamH
The warnings at Bunnings don't raise offense because they have a basis in fact and are backed by evidence. Folau's 'warnings' do not have either of those.

If Bunning's warnings said 'warning operating this saw is dangerous for women' or 'we stock pink hi-viz for gays' I suspect you might see some offense.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Now I know that a church is no place for critical thinking, and I do not need my knowledge reinforced.

That said, clearly some idiot(s) thought it needed to be more strongly proven, and hence thought it would be a good idea to let Folau to issue a sermon. - Further, AND then to publish his further stupidity on the church Facebook page...

This will eventually turn to hate speech and this clown will be gaoled, sooner rather later I hope.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-launches-fresh-attack-on-gay-people-transgender-youths-20190617-p51yba.html
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Now I know that a church is no place for critical thinking, and I do not need my knowledge reinforced.

That said, clearly some idiot(s) thought it needed to be more strongly proven, and hence thought it would be a good idea to let Folau to issue a sermon. - Further, AND then to publish his further stupidity on the church Facebook page...

This will eventually turn to hate speech and this clown will be gaoled, sooner rather later I hope.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-launches-fresh-attack-on-gay-people-transgender-youths-20190617-p51yba.html
Aaron
Sounds very totalitarian to jail preachers if you disagree with them.  We're not China, the USSR, Iran, or Saudi Arabia.  At least not yet I hope.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I think Iran might be a bad example of a country that jails extremist preachers - the country is effectively run by extreme Islamists.

I am not suggesting that Folau be gaoled for being a preacher, or preaching, I am however saying he must surely be skating close to at the very least fracturing our laws on hate speech.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I read Folau's tweets. They appeared to me to be warnings. Neither judgements nor expressions of hate.

Like the warnings at Bunnings in the electrical hardware products area about only licensed electricians doing electrical work. How many DIYers are grossly offended by these? At a guess, none.
The warnings at Bunnings don't raise offense because they have a basis in fact and are backed by evidence. Folau's 'warnings' do not have either of those.

If Bunning's warnings said 'warning operating this saw is dangerous for women' or 'we stock pink hi-viz for gays' I suspect you might see some offense.
Aaron
The warnings at Bunnings are to avoid any liability arising from non-tradies electrocuting themselves doing dodgy wiring. Otherwise Bunnings and others would have to cease selling electrical fittings to consumers not qualified as an electrician. You have been warned. The Bunnings warnings relate to a real and possible danger whilst the Mad Preacher's refer to fairy tale stuff.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
The bloke's an absolute goose. He still might get a contract with one of those dodgy French clubs, but probably not Stade Francais.
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Said he'd walk away if that was God's path for him. He must've had a meeting with God because now he wants 10million.

As far as the he was fired for expressing his beliefs? People need to stop confusing freedom of speech with code of conduct contractual obligations. If I posted what Folau did I'd be sacked for breaching my workplaces code of conduct on social media use.

Typical religious BS crying victim after saying some crap from 2000 years ago. No wonder I'm athiest eh?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I am not suggesting that Folau be gaoled for being a preacher, or preaching, I am however saying he must surely be skating close to at the very least fracturing our laws on hate speech.
Aaron
The present hate speech laws in each state of Australia (even leftie Victoria) are laws against incitement, not laws against saying things that someone else doesn't like.

What incited acts of hatred have occurred or been intercepted by police before they occurred?

I think he is well clear of any potential breach of those laws.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I am not suggesting that Folau be gaoled for being a preacher, or preaching, I am however saying he must surely be skating close to at the very least fracturing our laws on hate speech.
The present hate speech laws in each state of Australia (even leftie Victoria) are laws against incitement, not laws against saying things that someone else doesn't like.

What incited acts of hatred have occurred or been intercepted by police before they occurred?

I think he is well clear of any potential breach of those laws.
justapassenger
Although the Religious Vilification laws in Vic have been used in the past (the 2 Danny's case) but there are significant problems with those laws - wildly open to interpretation and opinion.

The last thing we need is some sort of Star Chamber to run inquisitions and impose punishments on what is preached in churches, mosques, synagogues, whatever...

It's almost as though "wokeness" is a new religion which demands all comply or else.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I am not suggesting that Folau be gaoled for being a preacher, or preaching, I am however saying he must surely be skating close to at the very least fracturing our laws on hate speech.
The present hate speech laws in each state of Australia (even leftie Victoria) are laws against incitement, not laws against saying things that someone else doesn't like.

What incited acts of hatred have occurred or been intercepted by police before they occurred?

I think he is well clear of any potential breach of those laws.
Although the Religious Vilification laws in Vic have been used in the past (the 2 Danny's case) but there are significant problems with those laws - wildly open to interpretation and opinion.
Carnot
The 2 Danny's case resulted in the Supreme Court declaring that it was not for judges in lower courts (VCAT in that case) to discriminate between different theological positions when deciding whether to accept the 'religious purpose' defence provided in the law.

As a result of that precedent, Folau would have even stronger protection in Victoria than in those other jurisdictions where no precedent has been set.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Israel Folau had a Gofundme page taken down today, and rightly so, he was seeking to raise around $3million dollars for his battle with Rugby Australia, but he has apparently violated the pages terms of use, all monies raised thus far are set to be refunded - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/folau-gofundme-appeal-shut-down-by-crowdfunding-site/ar-AADkHjY?ocid=spartanntp
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Israel Folau had a Gofundme page taken down today, and rightly so, he was seeking to raise around $3million dollars for his battle with Rugby Australia, but he has apparently violated the pages terms of use, all monies raised thus far are set to be refunded - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/folau-gofundme-appeal-shut-down-by-crowdfunding-site/ar-AADkHjY?ocid=spartanntp
lsrailfan
Again, the woke brigade are just accelerating their own downfall by their intolerance and rejection of neutral spaces:

  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Considering some of the previous campaigns which GoFundMe has decided to allow (e.g. one for a NSW driver who was quite rightfully prosecuted after he recorded himself driving onto a footpath and swearing at a couple of police officers) it would seem that the terms of use mean whatever they want it to mean at any time.

It's good that GoFundMe has decided to refund the contributions made during the time the campaign was accepted by them, but this is a good chance for a reminder that crowd funding is almost completely unregulated in Australia and there would not have been anything stopping GoFundMe if they had decided to take the money.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Considering some of the previous campaigns which GoFundMe has decided to allow (e.g. one for a NSW driver who was quite rightfully prosecuted after he recorded himself driving onto a footpath and swearing at a couple of police officers) it would seem that the terms of use mean whatever they want it to mean at any time.

It's good that GoFundMe has decided to refund the contributions made during the time the campaign was accepted by them, but this is a good chance for a reminder that crowd funding is almost completely unregulated in Australia and there would not have been anything stopping GoFundMe if they had decided to take the money.
justapassenger
It is going to be interesting to see if the Govt takes a closer look at these sort of sites and regulates them appropriately.

The irony is that GoFundMe closing down Izzy's fundraiser just raises the profile of his campaign even more, and he'll probably get his money quicker.

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