2019 Federal Election Thread

 
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE


Son; if you want to throw your weight around, go and do it with your Arab slaves in Dubai instead of trying it here. Thoughts and opinions are frequently inspired by one post and lead to another thought being posted.  Either learn to live with it, or start your own forum with your own rules.
Valvegear
Diversion after diversion after diversion, all to get away from replying to what I actually said, not what you thought I said.

As for the Arab slaves....obviously clueless to what really happens in Dubai, another fail.

Lets move on shall we....Smile

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Diversion after diversion after diversion, all to get away from replying to what I actually said, not what you thought I said.
"RTT_Rules"
How many times must I hammer it into your self-opinionated head that it was never intended as an answer to you. It was a random thought within the context of the thread's title.

As for the Arab slaves....obviously clueless to what really happens in Dubai, another fail.
"RTT_Rules
Irony is wasted on you as well. Only you would take such a comment seriously. Lighten up, princess.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm astonished that I've managed to stay away from any barneys here for so long - normally it's me taking on one of the above contenders. I purposely stayed away from the Bob Hawke thread for that reason...

Looks like it's time for a new thread on politics given the election is done and dusted. I think we're in for a Prime Minister who might possibly have some longevity so perhaps we'd better stop calling them "Prime Minister's imploding act"!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I must emphasise here...NOT the Victorian Andrews government, which has set a very high benchmark for maintaining honesty in government.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I really hope you were being sarcastic there... otherwise you have no sense of what's really going on in the world.

Incidentally any whiff of a possible chopping of programs and services in your department... maybe like (dunno) The Overland? There's an article in The Age this afternoon suggesting that Andrews is going to cut very hard to make up for the lost stamp duty billions, I'd imagine transport would have to be one of those affected.

For the first time in about 20 years the NSW and VIC governments have to deal with falling stamp duty revenues - it's austerity time now, let's see how they deal with it.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I think we're in for a Prime Minister who might possibly have some longevity so perhaps we'd better stop calling them "Prime Minister's imploding act"!
don_dunstan

Steady on.  Albo hasn't even made it to ALP leader yet.  Or did you mean Dutton?  Smile
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Hardly a convincing response.  You're entitled to your opinions as much as I am mine, but don't serve up that crap about it being a "landslide" win for the LNP.  Less than a 1% swing is irrelevant in the scheme of things.  I'm not disputing the result and the right of the LNP to govern, but merely suggesting some reasons why Labor failed and where they could have done better.  Your dismissive condescending attitude just demonstrates how biased you are and your opinions should be treated accordingly.  It is now up to the LNP to demonstrate that they can meet the challenges facing the country over the next three years in both environmental and fiscal terms.  With no vision for the future, other than maintaining the status quo, I have my doubts.  See you in three years.
Transtopic
Realistically mos elections are won by +/- 2-3%, so while the win is I agree not a landslide, the fact that they won at all is almost the equivalent.

ALP stuffed up in so many ways that its hard to know where to start and some of your comments demonstrates this.

Regarding so-called "lack of vision", 51-52% of the population was happy with the vision provided by the LNP, not the fairytale vision by the ALP, otherwise the ALP would have won. Why is it that projects are considered visionary if they simply fail to stack up at the basics. The HSR project is the classic so called visionary fairy tale fed to closed eyed peasants who forget very quickly that the same politicians have done nothing to make substantial improvements to the existing infrastructure since WW2? Yet the HSR project is still decades away before the first sleeper is laid the govt doesn't have to do almost anything and yet its still classed as Visionary, but the peasants fall for the trick every time.

Visionary is actually building something, not talking about it!

However, what I find most amusing is that the ALP supporters appear to be blaming the LNP for the ALP loosing. Yet the same people state the LNP is disorganized, had almost no policies and no so called Vision, yet the bulk of the population still didn't vote for them. When the ALP supporters actually understand why the ALP lost, then the ALP might actually win next time.

The status quo for the last 6 years involved recovering the budget from the visionaries and preventing Australia falling into a recession while dealing with world and changes in the domestic economy.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I must emphasise here...NOT the Victorian Andrews government, which has set a very high benchmark for maintaining honesty in government.

Mike.
I really hope you were being sarcastic there... otherwise you have no sense of what's really going on in the world.

Incidentally any whiff of a possible chopping of programs and services in your department... maybe like (dunno) The Overland? There's an article in The Age this afternoon suggesting that Andrews is going to cut very hard to make up for the lost stamp duty billions, I'd imagine transport would have to be one of those affected.

For the first time in about 20 years the NSW and VIC governments have to deal with falling stamp duty revenues - it's austerity time now, let's see how they deal with it.
don_dunstan
Look at the NSW budget balance sheet, I believe you will find they reduced the stamp duty revenue by $9B or something like that in readyness for a downturn and still balanced the budget, did the Mexicans plan the same?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Look at the NSW budget balance sheet, I believe you will find they reduced the stamp duty revenue by $9B or something like that in readyness for a downturn and still balanced the budget, did the Mexicans plan the same?
RTT_Rules
Out of interest, gotta citation for that? I'm yet to see a State Gov any where cut it's revenue forecasts by anything approaching that. I could be wrong but I got me doubts,
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The Victorian Budget isn't out yet. Delayed by Federal Election.
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner


SBS barely plays anything a foreign languages anymore with the acceptation of the morning International News Broadcasts and the occasional Replay of Downfall. It has lost its way.don get me started on SBS Viceland...
Dangersdan707
That's not correct.  There have been plenty of foreign language series in prime time on SBS.  For a start there have been all of the Nordic Noir programs over the last few years and the excellent just concluded German series, The Typist or SS-GB, amongst others.  SBS has also shown many quality English and American series such as Versailles, The Handmaid's Tale and Bosch to name a few.  In fact, I'd argue that SBS has stolen a march on the ABC in showing quality drama, although it may not rate highly with the great unwashed.  That's their loss.  I rarely watch programs on commercial TV, because aside from the fact that they're mostly American, I can't stomach the incessant ad breaks.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Look at the NSW budget balance sheet, I believe you will find they reduced the stamp duty revenue by $9B or something like that in readyness for a downturn and still balanced the budget, did the Mexicans plan the same?
RTT_Rules
Gladys will also find her Commonwealth grants down the same as every other state. We've had a bad budget announced here in SA with fines and fees all set to increase, especially car registration (which is already extortionate).

On the results of the election, let's remind ourselves of where we are: Inflation pulls a zero last quarter, real worker buying power down about 5% since 2012. Interest rates still at record lows and almost three years since they've changed yet the residential property market still stinks to high heaven.

CoreLogic today 23/5/2019 (city/last quarter/year-on-year):

Sydney -2.36% -10.97%
Melbourne  -1.63% -10.02%
Brisbane (inc Gold Coast)  -1.30% -2.34%
Adelaide  -0.45% +0.29%
Perth  -1.92% -8.72%


Shocking, terrible - who would have thought it several years ago. Considering so many Australians have their wealth stored in residential property what we're seeing is a wholesale destruction of wealth... Perth down 19% since their peak in 2015 and Sydney and Melbourne rapidly catching up, even my own city of Adelaide finally joining in with 0.45% loss over the last quarter.

Whatever ScoMo does the options are limited - he would know better than anyone as a former Property Council head that it will cause all sorts of revenue problems if property continues to fall nationally.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Any disenfranchisement debate should consider the fact that The Greens get 10% of the vote yet only have 1 seat in the House of Reps, whereas the Nationals get 5% of the vote and have 16 seats in the House of Reps, including ministries or shadow ministries. It is what it is.

None of the above, repeat none, should be interpreted as support for The Greens (or Barnaby Joyce).
kitchgp
Greens problem is that the bulk of their support base is spread around and compete heavily against the ALP.
Nats are concentrated and typically Lib and Nats don't compete against each other in the same seat.

BJ got yet again an increased voter count for the 2nd time in 12mth, so yes I think his support in his seat is very strong despite all the other issues others try and use against him.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Look at the NSW budget balance sheet, I believe you will find they reduced the stamp duty revenue by $9B or something like that in readyness for a downturn and still balanced the budget, did the Mexicans plan the same?
Out of interest, gotta citation for that? I'm yet to see a State Gov any where cut it's revenue forecasts by anything approaching that. I could be wrong but I got me doubts,
wobert
It comes after expected revenue was already revised down about $8 billion in the state budget and half-yearly budget review

https://www.domain.com.au/news/nsw-treasury-slashes-extra-750-million-from-stamp-duty-forecasts-as-property-downturn-continues-806616/
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Fair enough, and Dan Andrews is saying the exact same thing  https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victorian-state-budget-fears-on-taxes-services-jobs-20190523-p51qi6.html
Next weeks budget will be interesting.


NSW might have an even bigger elephant looming, https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/24/nsw-towns-including-dubbo-and-tamworth-face-water-emergency-within-months

Might
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Fair enough, and Dan Andrews is saying the exact same thing  https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victorian-state-budget-fears-on-taxes-services-jobs-20190523-p51qi6.html
Next weeks budget will be interesting.


NSW might have an even bigger elephant looming, https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/24/nsw-towns-including-dubbo-and-tamworth-face-water-emergency-within-months

Might
wobert
Ouch, the NSW govt said the budget will take a hit from the drought.

BAck to another thread, I stand by previous comments that NSW govt should be looking at discharging Sydney's treated waste water into the headwaters of the Lachlan and Macquarie Rivers to drought proof the cities, industries, irrigation and provide the environmental flows.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
And Queensland could be in for a real flogging, being more regionally based.  https://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/6099281/two-thirds-of-queensland-still-in-drought/

Being over such a large area, QLD and NSW, a one year drought is devastating enough for regional communities, but two years is going to cause major dislocation.  And with Victoria about 5 minutes behind and several other major factors going on influencing things, anyone forecasting more than 12 months out is a dill.(I mean state and federal governments.)
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Safe to assume Albo will be the next Labor Leader. The 'o' bloke v 'o' bloke Laughing

Predictably the public service is set to be squeezed because there's got to be more blood left there. If they try hard enough we could end up with just contractors and consultants, i.e. perfect Liberal Party socialism.

Now if global trade keeps on declining, if interest rates hit rock bottom, if wages do nothing, if the housing market remains lethargic, (and no rain), ScoMo will need a few more miracles.
Groundrelay
Hello All,

the interesting thing about "the desire for an interest rate cut" is that if the predicted rate cut happens, then the value of interest will be lower than the current inflation rate, or to put it another way, a negative interest rate , which means that you loose a portion of your invested capital due to the cost of the deposit exceeding the notional return. This means it is better to put your money in your mattress where its value will outweigh placing it as a deposit.

If this is an example of "the Coalitions better economic management skills" then we really are going to be in trouble.

Whilst it is true that the Public Service have been known to mess things up , it is usually the by product of poor political policy decisions. Cabinet and Ministers of State are supposed to make decisions based on an understanding of the facts ( there is no global warming ! ) not wishful thinking ( yep, there definitely is no global warming ! ), or allowing ones ideological viewpoint ( this is coal, do not be afraid ! ) to obscure the reality that should be addressed.

Relying on contractors ( those people who will deliver exactly what is asked for, despite knowing that it will not work, and getting well paid for it / Government contracts are so lucrative / then getting well paid again to fix it / governments are so wasteful , except when they pay me / ) or relying on consultants ( those people whom you pay a lot of money to, and they tell you how the sun shines so brightly from your lower orifice ) has generally resulted in a lot of taxpayers money being squandered , yet we dismiss the advice of people who actually are reasonably expert in their particular field, and to make matters worse, then make them redundant in a so called efficiency drive.    And our elected Representatives then wonder why they are treated with disdain, or worse.

Despite the Coaltion victory, the reality is their primary vote increased by less than 1%, and Labour went down to 33% ( these figures are rough ! ), as a significant portion of voters went for the minors, whose preferences favoured the Coalition. It was not that long ago when the Liberals and the Nationals decided not to go for three cornered contests as it split their vote, but this election appears to demonstrate otherwise.

Regards, Radioman
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Hello All,

Whilst it is true that the Public Service have been known to mess things up , it is usually the by product of poor political policy decisions. Cabinet and Ministers of State are supposed to make decisions based on an understanding of the facts ( there is no global warming ! ) not wishful thinking ( yep, there definitely is no global warming ! ), or allowing ones ideological viewpoint ( this is coal, do not be afraid ! ) to obscure the reality that should be addressed.

Relying on contractors ( those people who will deliver exactly what is asked for, despite knowing that it will not work, and getting well paid for it / Government contracts are so lucrative / then getting well paid again to fix it / governments are so wasteful , except when they pay me / ) or relying on consultants ( those people whom you pay a lot of money to, and they tell you how the sun shines so brightly from your lower orifice ) has generally resulted in a lot of taxpayers money being squandered , yet we dismiss the advice of people who actually are reasonably expert in their particular field, and to make matters worse, then make them redundant in a so called efficiency drive.    And our elected Representatives then wonder why they are treated with disdain, or worse.

Regards, Radioman
Radioman

Re: contractors

Your comments are drawing a very long straw indeed. It is standard practice to contract out "specialists" for almost any tasks , for many years now. Why have a department to invent the wheel when there are existing wheel sellers on the market.

I'm reading a book on the Space shuttle development right now which includes some of the Apollo history, they contracted out
(to name a few)
- Design of the shuttle, each with various long list of sub contractors
- Design of the Boosters, each with various long list of sub contractors
- The fuel tank
- The computer system
- The thermal tile supply
- The gluing of the tiles
- The tyres
- The landing gear
- The space suits
- The supply of the toilet
etc etc etc etc

Could you imagine NASA doing all this in house?

Could you imagine the Fed govt having its own
- Cleaners
- IT department
- Maintenance department
- Engineering department across all aspects of Engineering
- Environmental
etc etc etc

The ARTC is a corporation made up of Management using various contractors for specialists tasks.

Its a proven success story, the days of large companys making everything from washers to locomotives are over. They contract out what they need and when the jobs done, off they go, no more people hanging around waiting for the next job, when ever that may be or using technology or approaches that have long been made redundant. This is why these excessive, bureaucratic, grossly inefficient over unionised and over middle managed work forces sucking the life out of their employer who is trying to be a jack of all trades and master of none generally either moderised or failed.

Some relics of the past include govt owned National Airlines, bleeding money and customers, ie Malaysian Airlines, PAL, Indian Airlines etc.

As you said, the quality of the contract is only as good as the quality of the decision makers.


Your references to how good the things were in the past ignore the basics of why these so called "good 'ol days" practices were basically abandoned globally in both private and public sectors.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Dear RTT Rules and others,

it should be pointed out that NASA actually does have in house engineers, in house computer programmers and other specialists, and it uses contractors for specialist supplies which it does not do inside.

I am not opposed to purchasing from outside contractors per se, but I am unimpressed when non specialist allegedly professional managers and project directors deliberately ignore advice, both in house and contractor, and then blame others for their own incompetence.

In the case of ARTC, the North East Broad to Standard gauge conversion is a case in point, where the track was left in a worse position after the conversion that it was beforehand. To compound this ARTC denied point blank there was a problem , when it was obvious to the users that there was a series of very serious problems, which are still being addressed, at great expense , to this day.

Your comment re the good old days where everything was done in house is actually not correct, outside suppliers were always used to varying degrees , in house was resorted to when outside supply proved to be problematic. ( And supply to Australia is still problematic, you need a replacement part from Europe, wait six months. )

To take another example, VicRoads used to organise the purchase of traffic signal cable based on the programme for the next twelve months, this enabled both the supplier to know in advance what VicRoads requires, and , in turn , VicRoads knew when the supply was available. Everyone , with advance knowledge , was happy. Now as every project is stand alone, signal cable is bought on an as required basis, therefore the cable supplier sells by the drum. Contractor buys the drum and will have an excess supply which exceeds his needs, guess who pays for this excess supply ? It is definitely not the contractor. I fail to see where this is preferable to the previous practice, all it does is cause waste and increases cots to the recipient.

The other outcome of this process is every Project ends up using a unique set of bits which is generally not compatible with the adjacent bits, For example London's Elizabeth Line / CrossRail has tunnel clearances two inches smaller than the clearances neither side of it, as well as incompatible signal systems to those on either side of it. Bear in mind that the intent of the Elizabeth Line is for through main line traffic from the West of England to the East of England, which has been achieved, but it has been achieved by delivering a smaller loading gauge than its feeder lines, and an incompatible signal system, and it was delivered late and way over budget.

In case you are wondering why the projected West of England to Amsterdam through service will not happen, one major reason is 13 incompatible signalling systems and four incompatible electric power systems. The cost of getting one train set to meet these requirements means that a through service is totally uneconomic. I also notice that the cost of rebuilding train sets to increase capacity on the Heathrow Express service includes GBP1m per set just for the ERTMS refit, the internal refurb and exterior relivery is additional to this. ( Makes one wonder if change over locos hauling carriages may be a better alternative after all. )

Regarding, no staff hanging around, this in practice means no staff to fix things when it goes pear shaped, Siemens train brings down overhead near Werribee, FOUR days later, train moved and overhead repaired, Siemens is based at Newport, the adjacent suburb ! When I worked on the VR a dewirement repair was usually done within 4 to 6 hours, now 4 DAYS seems to be the new norm; yep, that is a fantastic improvement NOT.

As you alluded, this also means that staff now work in short term contract spasms, which in practice means their income is unreliable, which means Banks will probably not lend them money for a mortgage because their income stream is unreliable. This result may be good for landlords, but is not much chop for renters wanting to own their own home.

On the Sandringham Line bustitution means a 27 minute journey will take up to ONE HOUR + 27 minutes to complete, another victory for efficient modern management. Then we have the Boeing 737 Max debacle, where it appears that the new software was never tested by Boeing Test Pilots on a Simulator, despite Boeing having access to both. The CEO's response, "safety is our first priority" Well, if that is the case, then two 737 Max planes probably would not have crashed. I note that Boeings CEO is not an aeronautical engineer, yet he "manages" a plane maker, which is based in Washington State, while he moved the Head Office from Seattle to Chicago. That worked well.

Regards, Radioman.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Dear RTT Rules and others,

it should be pointed out that NASA actually does have in house engineers, in house computer programmers and other specialists, and it uses contractors for specialist supplies which it does not do inside.

I am not opposed to purchasing from outside contractors per se, but I am unimpressed when non specialist allegedly professional managers and project directors deliberately ignore advice, both in house and contractor, and then blame others for their own incompetence.

In the case of ARTC, the North East Broad to Standard gauge conversion is a case in point, where the track was left in a worse position after the conversion that it was beforehand. To compound this ARTC denied point blank there was a problem , when it was obvious to the users that there was a series of very serious problems, which are still being addressed, at great expense , to this day.

Your comment re the good old days where everything was done in house is actually not correct, outside suppliers were always used to varying degrees , in house was resorted to when outside supply proved to be problematic. ( And supply to Australia is still problematic, you need a replacement part from Europe, wait six months. )

To take another example, VicRoads used to organise the purchase of traffic signal cable based on the programme for the next twelve months, this enabled both the supplier to know in advance what VicRoads requires, and , in turn , VicRoads knew when the supply was available. Everyone , with advance knowledge , was happy. Now as every project is stand alone, signal cable is bought on an as required basis, therefore the cable supplier sells by the drum. Contractor buys the drum and will have an excess supply which exceeds his needs, guess who pays for this excess supply ? It is definitely not the contractor. I fail to see where this is preferable to the previous practice, all it does is cause waste and increases cots to the recipient.

The other outcome of this process is every Project ends up using a unique set of bits which is generally not compatible with the adjacent bits, For example London's Elizabeth Line / CrossRail has tunnel clearances two inches smaller than the clearances neither side of it, as well as incompatible signal systems to those on either side of it. Bear in mind that the intent of the Elizabeth Line is for through main line traffic from the West of England to the East of England, which has been achieved, but it has been achieved by delivering a smaller loading gauge than its feeder lines, and an incompatible signal system, and it was delivered late and way over budget.

In case you are wondering why the projected West of England to Amsterdam through service will not happen, one major reason is 13 incompatible signalling systems and four incompatible electric power systems. The cost of getting one train set to meet these requirements means that a through service is totally uneconomic. I also notice that the cost of rebuilding train sets to increase capacity on the Heathrow Express service includes GBP1m per set just for the ERTMS refit, the internal refurb and exterior relivery is additional to this. ( Makes one wonder if change over locos hauling carriages may be a better alternative after all. )

Regarding, no staff hanging around, this in practice means no staff to fix things when it goes pear shaped, Siemens train brings down overhead near Werribee, FOUR days later, train moved and overhead repaired, Siemens is based at Newport, the adjacent suburb ! When I worked on the VR a dewirement repair was usually done within 4 to 6 hours, now 4 DAYS seems to be the new norm; yep, that is a fantastic improvement NOT.

As you alluded, this also means that staff now work in short term contract spasms, which in practice means their income is unreliable, which means Banks will probably not lend them money for a mortgage because their income stream is unreliable. This result may be good for landlords, but is not much chop for renters wanting to own their own home.

On the Sandringham Line bustitution means a 27 minute journey will take up to ONE HOUR + 27 minutes to complete, another victory for efficient modern management. Then we have the Boeing 737 Max debacle, where it appears that the new software was never tested by Boeing Test Pilots on a Simulator, despite Boeing having access to both. The CEO's response, "safety is our first priority" Well, if that is the case, then two 737 Max planes probably would not have crashed. I note that Boeings CEO is not an aeronautical engineer, yet he "manages" a plane maker, which is based in Washington State, while he moved the Head Office from Seattle to Chicago. That worked well.

Regards, Radioman.
Radioman
You are looking at some of this in a very narrow minded approach and ignoring your own statement, the contracts are put in place by the Principle/owner/operator/parent organisation.

ARTC NE line - Project completed with the funds they were given. All the comments on, they knew, this is not how we did it is all completely pointless when you are not given enough funds and then compounded with a rare weather event. Been discussed in RP many times. Yes I've seen a number of private enterprise projects being underfunded from the start and been told thats all you get, make it work...and they didn't or eventually given more money at the end. Or could have done a better job with a larger budget etc etc etc.

Boeing makes more than then 5 models of commercial airlines at Everett and Renton, for example its military and space division is based in Virginia, on the other side of the country. Chicago is roughly in the middle of the USA, much larger and far easier to get too. You know full well the issues with the 737-Max is got nothing to do with where the head office is or what type of degree the CEO has which considering Boeing group of companies, which field should he/she be a specialist in? Answer, the one that is required to run a $120B business in the USA.

NASA has the core scientists and engineers etc and a workforce today of 17,000, it access dozens of suppliers for its bits various projects, which includes Boeing and others. It took 400,000 people (estimated) to put man on the moon, how many were employees of NASA?

Fed govt level, do you expect the fed govt to employee cleaners for the govt buildings or just contract it out? What about IT to manage Windows based applications? etc My large organisation contracts out your typical PC stuff, but we have our own in house specialist team to manage the process control system, because its ours and there is a very very very limited market for such software and control systems in aluminium and they are all Smelter Operators.

You also know full well that the issues with different signally systems between London and the Netherlands is due in part that the train will cross at least 3 international borders with four different languages that have their own incompatiblcompee design legacies that date back decades and nothing to do with contractors.

At the end of the day, if the Project specification requires is written 4.5m and they needed 4.7m, then its not the contractor that got it wrong is it?

Contractors are there to do the job written in the contract, nothing more, nothing less. It provides easier accountability, legal recourse and better competitive bidding and innovation than simply doing it in house. It also makes it easier to dismiss poor performance. Its not perfect and there are certainly plenty of events that can easily be thrown out as why this is a failure, nothing is and the line between core and contractor is grey and varies. But its better than what used to happen and alot cheaper, faster and more reliable for everyone. Remember, when the big earthquake hit LA in the 80's or 90's, the govt was able to mobilise contractors to start repairing the highways within 24h.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Keep an eye on the PNG government situation as last night's news mentioned various members of the government siding or appearing to be siding with the opposition. That may bring the Manus Island refugee situation into the spotlight, as a side result. Add that to the growing troubles of Morrison such as the NSW water shortages.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Just keeping with the NASA theme, NASA employs a lot on engineers and IT staff, but the vast majority of the work is outsourced privately.

Perhaps NASA’s most famous disaster, Challenger has its root cause in a NASA (ie ‘government’) management decision to fly when the outsourced engineers from Morton Thiokol didn’t want to fly. Further, we know this, not because of the ‘government’ Rogers’ Commission report, but because an outsourced civilian private contractor, actually knew something about physics and probabilities.

Morton Thiokol built the SRBs, knew about the inability of seals to maintain their resilience in the cold and were reluctant to launch during conditions for which they had no data on safety.

NASA wanted to fly, believed their own (management) smeg on reliability and figured on a 1 in 100,000 chance of catastrophic failure. Had their management, who were clearly not typically engineers just done a quick sanity check on what that probability even meant (launching everyday for about 300 years and expecting only one failure) they would have seen their supposed reliability for what it was.

Had ‘the government’ not screwed the decision to launch the Challenger crew would be alive, and had a civilian contractor not found the answer Challenger today would still be a mystery, hidden behind a ‘no meaningful wreckage to make a determination finding’ which is effectively what the Rogers’ report still says today.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I would be quite happy if Manus Island was shutdown tomorrow.  One of many Coalition policies a socially conservative voter like me actually despises.

Anyway, a good post-mortem here by Andrew West on why the ALP failed to win:
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/how-religious-voters-lost-faith-in-labor/11146850
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Keep an eye on the PNG government situation as last night's news mentioned various members of the government siding or appearing to be siding with the opposition. That may bring the Manus Island refugee situation into the spotlight, as a side result. Add that to the growing troubles of Morrison such as the NSW water shortages.
petan
That URL that wobert posted, and linked below if you missed it, states in Tamworth, there might be water for the town from the Peel river, but if it stops flowing, the chicken-processing plant downstream has just three to four days of water in storage and will need to close. That is Barnaby Joyce's area so he may need to take notice of job loses for a major employer due to the water problems, so close to his supporters.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/24/nsw-towns-including-dubbo-and-tamworth-face-water-emergency-within-months
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Morton Thiokol built the SRBs, knew about the inability of seals to maintain their resilience in the cold and were reluctant to launch during conditions for which they had no data on safety.

NASA wanted to fly, believed their own (management) smeg on reliability and figured on a 1 in 100,000 chance of catastrophic failure. Had their management, who were clearly not typically engineers just done a quick sanity check on what that probability even meant (launching everyday for about 300 years and expecting only one failure) they would have seen their supposed reliability for what it was.
Aaron
Any chance they could find a civilian contractor to blame Colombia on too?

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