Murray Basin standardisation

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Trains are still staging at extra cost to operators in Fuel, Wages and extra Track access. Trains that stabled and stage at Maryborough are now being staged at Marmalake, Murtoa and Dimboola.

The project managers and Vline are well aware of this hence at a later date a reinstated staging road will have to go back.

The rail operators and grain handlers have been disadvantaged. In a general normal harvest the system would not cope.

Maryborough yard was removed twice. Broad gauge once and the converter Standard gauge as it was not up to standard and put back again at extra cost.

The managers and engineers of this project should be ashamed of themselves. As experts in the field were not listen to. The rail and grain operators have lost freight to road as the system is slower and has less capacity as previously on BG. Disgusting.
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Could not agree more. The system now is worse that what it was on good BG track.  I have not seen any news from other operators (other than PN) moving onto the SG network which makes me think what was the massive $500m unfinished project going to provide in the end?

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Most of the time it went via Geelong, but did go through the Marsh once a week I think.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The Trains are still staging at extra cost to operators in Fuel, Wages and extra Track access. Trains that stabled and stage at Maryborough are now being staged at Marmalake, Murtoa and Dimboola.

The project managers and Vline are well aware of this hence at a later date a reinstated staging road will have to go back.

The rail operators and grain handlers have been disadvantaged. In a general normal harvest the system would not cope.

Maryborough yard was removed twice. Broad gauge once and the converter Standard gauge as it was not up to standard and put back again at extra cost.

The managers and engineers of this project should be ashamed of themselves. As experts in the field were not listen to. The rail and grain operators have lost freight to road as the system is slower and has less capacity as previously on BG. Disgusting.

Could not agree more. The system now is worse that what it was on good BG track.  I have not seen any news from other operators (other than PN) moving onto the SG network which makes me think what was the massive $500m unfinished project going to provide in the end?
bevans
To be fair there has been very little grain to move this year so likely not a lot of work to be done.

Id wonder how much has been loaded from the BG network and sent by Road to end users?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The Trains are still staging at extra cost to operators in Fuel, Wages and extra Track access. Trains that stabled and stage at Maryborough are now being staged at Marmalake, Murtoa and Dimboola.

The project managers and Vline are well aware of this hence at a later date a reinstated staging road will have to go back.

The rail operators and grain handlers have been disadvantaged. In a general normal harvest the system would not cope.

Maryborough yard was removed twice. Broad gauge once and the converter Standard gauge as it was not up to standard and put back again at extra cost.

The managers and engineers of this project should be ashamed of themselves. As experts in the field were not listen to. The rail and grain operators have lost freight to road as the system is slower and has less capacity as previously on BG. Disgusting.

Could not agree more. The system now is worse that what it was on good BG track.  I have not seen any news from other operators (other than PN) moving onto the SG network which makes me think what was the massive $500m unfinished project going to provide in the end?
bevans
I'm guessing SSR running up the Mildura line multiple times doesn't count in that?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uowj3Yow5DY



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0u7CbmB_Y



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXae_fhEz00

The main reason PN are the dominant ones running up there is because they're the ones running 99% of the interstate grain trains from Victoria. SSR have ran them two or three times all to Dimboola or the like, and QUBE's ran one from Dimboola. There's next to no export grain running.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks @Greensleeves yes it does of course. I was referring more about the establishment of intermodal and LCL freight rather than grain.  Thanks for the videos.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks @Greensleeves yes it does of course. I was referring more about the establishment of intermodal and LCL freight rather than grain.  Thanks for the videos.
bevans
It would be interesting to understand the position of GTS Freight re rail.  I see their trucks all over the place.  I wonder how many trucks they are sending to Sydney each day/week, for example.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks @Greensleeves yes it does of course. I was referring more about the establishment of intermodal and LCL freight rather than grain.  Thanks for the videos.
It would be interesting to understand the position of GTS Freight re rail.  I see their trucks all over the place.  I wonder how many trucks they are sending to Sydney each day/week, for example.
james.au

GTS are a major Player in Mildura and have a yard not far form the rail line but they are 1 of many sites.

Linday Rural is another

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Sunaraysia Freight has a siding this is not used and could be

Booth Transport is located near the Irymple Yard area as is the LRT/VCT Refridgerated Freight.

Then there is Merbein and other areas for freight.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
@bevans have you asked any of the companies that you reference why they are not using Rail ATM?

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
There has been grain coming out of the mallee but on road and also from
Road on sea lake life even though BG is available why ?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
There has been grain coming out of the mallee but on road and also from
Road on sea lake life even though BG is available why ?
freightgate
But to Where?
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Freightgate,

I can't remember if it was in this thread or in the 2018/2019 Harvest Thread https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11398613.htm but from my understanding, the truck movements are to places where either there isn't rail at the other end, or the rail is Standard Gauge, not Broad Gauge.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

$175 million allocated to this financial year for this project. There is no separate line item for the Freight Passenger Rail Separation Project, BUT there has been money reallocated from the Ballarat Line Upgrade for FPRSP-related works, so I can only assume they've been combined for budgeting purposes.

Anyway, with that sum available, we'll definitely see some action on something in the coming year.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

$175 million allocated to this financial year for this project. There is no separate line item for the Freight Passenger Rail Separation Project, BUT there has been money reallocated from the Ballarat Line Upgrade for FPRSP-related works, so I can only assume they've been combined for budgeting purposes.

Anyway, with that sum available, we'll definitely see some action on something in the coming year.
potatoinmymouth
I wonder if that includes Sea Lake and Manangatang SG conversion North of Dunolly?  Strange to see nothing explicitly stated in the Budget for that.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

$175 million allocated to this financial year for this project. There is no separate line item for the Freight Passenger Rail Separation Project, BUT there has been money reallocated from the Ballarat Line Upgrade for FPRSP-related works, so I can only assume they've been combined for budgeting purposes.

Anyway, with that sum available, we'll definitely see some action on something in the coming year.
I wonder if that includes Sea Lake and Manangatang SG conversion North of Dunolly?  Strange to see nothing explicitly stated in the Budget for that.
Carnot
That has always been within the scope of the MBRP, so it wouldn't appear as a separate line item. I expect announcements will be drip-fed on the usual schedule over the course of the year.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Here's what they say:

$20.200 million has been reallocated to this project from the Regional Rail Revival – (Murray Basin Rail Project). The TEI
includes funding for the ‘Rail Infrastructure Upgrades from Maryborough and Ararat to Ballarat’, a $1.000 million
contribution from GrainCorp, and $35.000 million of Commonwealth funding for Ballarat Line Upgrade Stage 2. These
projects have been combined for reporting purposes and the estimated completion date is to be confirmed.


In short, it's just as diabolical as it has always been.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
QUBE ran their first grain train on the now SG line this morning, 7761V to Birchip with GML10, 8044 and 8030- an ex BHP Pilbara, then Comalco FNQ EMD and a pair of NSWGR Comeng/ALCo's!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/greensleeves94/47939893773



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C6XdidUWqc
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Here's what they say:

$20.200 million has been reallocated to this project from the Regional Rail Revival – (Murray Basin Rail Project). The TEI
includes funding for the ‘Rail Infrastructure Upgrades from Maryborough and Ararat to Ballarat’, a $1.000 million
contribution from GrainCorp, and $35.000 million of Commonwealth funding for Ballarat Line Upgrade Stage 2. These
projects have been combined for reporting purposes and the estimated completion date is to be confirmed.


In short, it's just as diabolical as it has always been.
potatoinmymouth
Yep, it's a dumpster fire....
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Here's what they say:

$20.200 million has been reallocated to this project from the Regional Rail Revival – (Murray Basin Rail Project). The TEI
includes funding for the ‘Rail Infrastructure Upgrades from Maryborough and Ararat to Ballarat’, a $1.000 million
contribution from GrainCorp, and $35.000 million of Commonwealth funding for Ballarat Line Upgrade Stage 2. These
projects have been combined for reporting purposes and the estimated completion date is to be confirmed.


In short, it's just as diabolical as it has always been.
Yep, it's a dumpster fire....
Carnot
I told you so..
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Righto, I wandered over to the MBRP website. The last News item was over 12 months ago.

Does anyone else get the impression that Sea Lake and Manangatang might never get gauge converted?

If that's the case, then Victrack should seriously consider rebuilding Eaglehawk to Inglewood as a cost effective alternative BG path if Ballarat to Geelong goes SG.  At least that option has a decent lot of passing loops and double track compared to via Dunolly.
  Inland_Sailor Locomotive Driver

If that's the case, then Victrack should seriously consider rebuilding Eaglehawk to Inglewood as a cost effective alternative BG path if Ballarat to Geelong goes SG.  At least that option has a decent lot of passing loops and double track compared to via Dunolly.
Carnot
Rebuild, yes definitely, but do it with gauge convertible sleepers. SG wont go away, it's only postponed, so a long view should be taken with any works that might be taken in this part of the State so that any future SG conversion can be done with ease.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Righto, I wandered over to the MBRP website. The last News item was over 12 months ago.

Does anyone else get the impression that Sea Lake and Manangatang might never get gauge converted?

If that's the case, then Victrack should seriously consider rebuilding Eaglehawk to Inglewood as a cost effective alternative BG path if Ballarat to Geelong goes SG.  At least that option has a decent lot of passing loops and double track compared to via Dunolly.
Carnot
Im thinking a few things here

1. We've just had a Federal election which has probably delayed announcements of a few things
2. The Ballarat line upgrade is probably a higher priority than the FPSP which is a component of the Murray Basin project.  Once BLU is at a certain stage, the FPSP and MBRP will be recommenced
3. Similarly, the work teams to do the work are probably already deployed on the BLU and the MBRP had to slot in later into their work schedule - i doubt they'd be hiring in more to do this now.
4. The Ripon electorate went down to the wire and stayed blue by the smallest of margins (15 votes out of just over 40,055 formal), this might be driving some thinking .
5. The optimist in me thinks that our vision for a SG network all points north/west/south of Ballarat is being crunched by RPV to make a big announcement to wow people
6. Dan is big on keeping promises and the MBRP is an unkept promise - I'm surprised more hay wasn't made of this. When reframed it will want to be achievable as a second stuff up will be untenable for a few people
7. There is perhaps some waiting for the weather to see what happens.  If the season doesn't look great that might impact their decision and give them breathing room to delay another 12 months as the volumes won't be there.

On balance, I can't say which way I view this going.  Im hoping for standardisation of course.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
If that's the case, then Victrack should seriously consider rebuilding Eaglehawk to Inglewood as a cost effective alternative BG path if Ballarat to Geelong goes SG.  At least that option has a decent lot of passing loops and double track compared to via Dunolly.
Rebuild, yes definitely, but do it with gauge convertible sleepers. SG wont go away, it's only postponed, so a long view should be taken with any works that might be taken in this part of the State so that any future SG conversion can be done with ease.
Inland_Sailor
No Point SG Fanatic, The Bendigo Line Is Going to Remain BG as there is no point in converting it. I do support the idea or Reopening Eaglehawk-Inglewood for obvious reasons Thus Dunolly to Inglewood can Close as there aint much reason keeping it open if the freight is going via Bendigo.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Righto, I wandered over to the MBRP website. The last News item was over 12 months ago.

Does anyone else get the impression that Sea Lake and Manangatang might never get gauge converted?

If that's the case, then Victrack should seriously consider rebuilding Eaglehawk to Inglewood as a cost effective alternative BG path if Ballarat to Geelong goes SG.  At least that option has a decent lot of passing loops and double track compared to via Dunolly.
5. The optimist in me thinks that our vision for a SG network all points north/west/south of Ballarat is being crunched by RPV to make a big announcement to wow people
james.au
Not with another quiet Budget. That would be making promises they know they can't keep. A huge amount of capital expenditure has already been deferred so I think it will be a very quiet few years for new announcements.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Righto, I wandered over to the MBRP website. The last News item was over 12 months ago.

Does anyone else get the impression that Sea Lake and Manangatang might never get gauge converted?

If that's the case, then Victrack should seriously consider rebuilding Eaglehawk to Inglewood as a cost effective alternative BG path if Ballarat to Geelong goes SG.  At least that option has a decent lot of passing loops and double track compared to via Dunolly.
5. The optimist in me thinks that our vision for a SG network all points north/west/south of Ballarat is being crunched by RPV to make a big announcement to wow people
Not with another quiet Budget. That would be making promises they know they can't keep. A huge amount of capital expenditure has already been deferred so I think it will be a very quiet few years for new announcements.
potatoinmymouth
Yep, the pessimist in me thinks different.  As does the realist.
  kitchgp Deputy Commissioner

Reopening Inglewood - Eaglehawk doesn't solve mineral sands Manangatang - Portland.

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