When were the VLocities first introduced and on what lines?

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Thanks.
bevans
Is this what you are looking for, have you split this from another thread, it doesn't make alot of sense to me.

https://vicsig.net/index.php?page=passenger&section=rollingstock&subs=railmotors&rmtype=VLocity

BG
  M636C Minister for Railways

The VLocity was introduced into service on the Ballarat line on 22 December 2005, with Premier Steve Bracks and Transport Minister Peter Batchelor travelling on the inaugural service from Southern Cross station. An unveiling ceremony was held at Ballarat and the train returned as a regular service.[size=1][18][/size][size=1][19][/size] Services on the Geelong and Bendigo lines followed on 3 February 2006[size=1][20][/size] and 24 February 2006[size=1][21][/size] respectively. Services to Traralgon and Seymour were introduced in September 2006

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V/Line_VLocity

Peter
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
haha peter batchelor seems like a holiday compared to ms allan
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

haha peter batchelor seems like a holiday compared to ms allan
n459L1150
Please, enjoy this video of Mr Batchelor complaining about the "enthusiasts" and their "little societies" who "think they know best how to run a railway", in the process of defending the Bendigo singling.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTrWPH3HwRk

6:22 for the good bit
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
What I'm most impressed about is a 2 car Sprinter coping easily with the numbers of passengers offering almost 15 years ago...

Little did we know at that time what would happen AFTER the RFR project was completed.

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

What I'm most impressed about is a 2 car Sprinter coping easily with the numbers of passengers offering almost 15 years ago... Little did we know at that time what would happen AFTER the RFR project was completed.
The Vinelander

For all our moaning and complaining the progress in the last 15 years is nothing short of exceptional and probably unmatched in the history of railways in this country. (It's a low bar, I know.)

When that report was filmed, country trains trundled along a few times a day to a lucky few towns, and a few times a week elsewhere. Now we are arguing about the order in which to carry out upgrades to 130km/h line speed to the far reaches of the state. V/Line patronage has tripled – nearly a million extra passengers every single year since 2004.

James Pinder was right when he told the infrastructure committee last year V/Line had stopped being a country train operator without even noticing it.

And to top it all off, the Feds found that the RFR was a model for how to do rail in the 21st century.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
And to top it all off, the Feds found that the RFR was a model for how to do rail in the 21st century.
potatoinmymouth
Wow, that must have been one hell of a junket, wish I had got a guernsey on that one!

BG
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The singling of the line North of Kyneton is still one of the worst examples of government sanctioned vandalism we have seen, made much worse by the magnitude of the success of the project.

The recent "Skyrail" project has replaced much of the railway between Caulfield & Dandenong, yet failed to address this sections most obvious flaw, the dire need for quadruplication.

So often our governments underestimate the popularity of passenger rail. The Bracks government did it with RFR, they didn't have any idea that it would prove to be as popular as it was. If the Andrews government had of provided the Dandenong corridor with the ability to run fast and frequent express trains between Caulfield & Dandenong they would have increased patronage along that corridor and in doing so lessened the burden on the road network.

Same mistake, different circumstances.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

The singling of the line North of Kyneton is still one of the worst examples of government sanctioned vandalism we have seen, made much worse by the magnitude of the success of the project.

The recent "Skyrail" project has replaced much of the railway between Caulfield & Dandenong, yet failed to address this sections most obvious flaw, the dire need for quadruplication.

So often our governments underestimate the popularity of passenger rail. The Bracks government did it with RFR, they didn't have any idea that it would prove to be as popular as it was. If the Andrews government had of provided the Dandenong corridor with the ability to run fast and frequent express trains between Caulfield & Dandenong they would have increased patronage along that corridor and in doing so lessened the burden on the road network.

Same mistake, different circumstances.
Gman_86
Agree 100% about repeating mistakes again and again, but different (and better) better results.

A Quadded Dandenong corridor coupled with the MM1 starting at Caulfield would allow express trains, including VLine, and freight from the East and the Western Port region without limiting the stopping services via MM1. Again, we are left with an expensive solution 10 years down the track.

The government claims that the CD9 was built with Quadriplication in mind, but just look at the 5 stations' designs to see that is just not true.

The easiest solution would have been to design the beams so that they count-hung over the existing corridor, and with two side platforms, the room for express tracks to run down the middle.

The new stations, being islands require the express tracks to operate on the outside, however the stations have no provision for express tracks to be run inside the shell, and running them on the outside of the station will look like what it is....a tack job because they were too cheap to do it properly from day 1.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
...and on the other hand, it's not very helpful after undertaking all this work if the government gets thrown out of office due to a campaign of misinformation by the Opposition, hence the reluctance to quad Dandenong.

Mike.
  footscrazy Station Master

Yep!

Instead of complaining about SkyRail imagine if Guy complained about the lack of 4 tracks (or at least campaigned for better future proofing)

sigh... how do we go about improving the political situation in Victoria/Australia?
Is this the best we can come up with?
Or do we have the leaders we deserve? Sad
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
I know, they NEVER should have singled any of the Bendigo Line. It's just ridiculous, Why have trains that could do 160kph and then just choke them at 100 tops because the government wanted to run more trains. the maths would have been simple for this.

Faster trains + more track space = more services.

All the government saw was this $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
haha peter batchelor seems like a holiday compared to ms allan
Please, enjoy this video of Mr Batchelor complaining about the "enthusiasts" and their "little societies" who "think they know best how to run a railway", in the process of defending the Bendigo singling.
potatoinmymouth
Great find Potato, well done. Some great old footage there around Malmsbury and Castlemaine (funny how old it looks now less than 20 years later!)

That really is an indictment on our system of government and the processes they use. Belittling people and their views to justify your own short term cost cutting decision making.

And guess what? Pretty much everything that the little people predicted came to pass.

I know what Mike and others will say, the government couldn't have predicted the pax growth but it is just such short term thinking. I had no idea how few people used the service in those days but in doing a massive upgrade of track and rolling stock they must have been aiming pretty high in terms of growth otherwise what was the justification for the expense.

And what of the faceless men in the shadows? Did they try to stop this or did they simply utter a polite if slightly drawn "Yes, Minister"

BG
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The singling of the line North of Kyneton is still one of the worst examples of government sanctioned vandalism we have seen, made much worse by the magnitude of the success of the project.

The recent "Skyrail" project has replaced much of the railway between Caulfield & Dandenong, yet failed to address this sections most obvious flaw, the dire need for quadruplication.

So often our governments underestimate the popularity of passenger rail. The Bracks government did it with RFR, they didn't have any idea that it would prove to be as popular as it was. If the Andrews government had of provided the Dandenong corridor with the ability to run fast and frequent express trains between Caulfield & Dandenong they would have increased patronage along that corridor and in doing so lessened the burden on the road network.

Same mistake, different circumstances.
Agree 100% about repeating mistakes again and again, but different (and better) better results.

A Quadded Dandenong corridor coupled with the MM1 starting at Caulfield would allow express trains, including VLine, and freight from the East and the Western Port region without limiting the stopping services via MM1. Again, we are left with an expensive solution 10 years down the track.

The government claims that the CD9 was built with Quadriplication in mind, but just look at the 5 stations' designs to see that is just not true.

The easiest solution would have been to design the beams so that they count-hung over the existing corridor, and with two side platforms, the room for express tracks to run down the middle.

The new stations, being islands require the express tracks to operate on the outside, however the stations have no provision for express tracks to be run inside the shell, and running them on the outside of the station will look like what it is....a tack job because they were too cheap to do it properly from day 1.
John.Z
You have got It all wrong, the provision for extra tracks Is to the South of the existing tracks, probably with platforms on each track at every station (there Is too much station design Inconsistency on the Dandenong line for platformless tracks)
  RedEyeExpress Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
haha peter batchelor seems like a holiday compared to ms allan
Please, enjoy this video of Mr Batchelor complaining about the "enthusiasts" and their "little societies" who "think they know best how to run a railway", in the process of defending the Bendigo singling.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTrWPH3HwRk

6:22 for the good bit
potatoinmymouth
"They are stuck in the eighteenth century" Shocked
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The singling of the line North of Kyneton is still one of the worst examples of government sanctioned vandalism we have seen, made much worse by the magnitude of the success of the project.

The recent "Skyrail" project has replaced much of the railway between Caulfield & Dandenong, yet failed to address this sections most obvious flaw, the dire need for quadruplication.

So often our governments underestimate the popularity of passenger rail. The Bracks government did it with RFR, they didn't have any idea that it would prove to be as popular as it was. If the Andrews government had of provided the Dandenong corridor with the ability to run fast and frequent express trains between Caulfield & Dandenong they would have increased patronage along that corridor and in doing so lessened the burden on the road network.

Same mistake, different circumstances.
Agree 100% about repeating mistakes again and again, but different (and better) better results.

A Quadded Dandenong corridor coupled with the MM1 starting at Caulfield would allow express trains, including VLine, and freight from the East and the Western Port region without limiting the stopping services via MM1. Again, we are left with an expensive solution 10 years down the track.

The government claims that the CD9 was built with Quadriplication in mind, but just look at the 5 stations' designs to see that is just not true.

The easiest solution would have been to design the beams so that they count-hung over the existing corridor, and with two side platforms, the room for express tracks to run down the middle.

The new stations, being islands require the express tracks to operate on the outside, however the stations have no provision for express tracks to be run inside the shell, and running them on the outside of the station will look like what it is....a tack job because they were too cheap to do it properly from day 1.
John.Z
There Is a plan for the Dandenong line that doesn't Involve undoing the brand new stations, but It requires property acquisition and a massive Injection of funding.
They are taking baby steps at the moment.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Devils advocate here and I have had a good look at these places along the Bendigo line, specifically between Malmsbury and Castlemaine.

There are several places where the singling of the Bendigo line occurred which enabled higher speed curves due to the single track utilising the former double track right of way:

One of the most obvious is the now 145 Km/h curve on the downside of Malmsbury.

There are others at Taradale, Elphinstone, the downside approach to Elphinstone tunnel and the curve through Harcourt platform.

These curve easings were done without widening the curves beyond the former double track and the extra infrastructure that would have been required particularly in the Malmsbury case of shifting tonnes and tonnes of soil due to the curve in the cutting for over 200 meters.

In the event any of these single sections become double track again, there may have to be compromises made to the maximum speeds allowed around some of these curves.

The single Sprinter operating off peak on the Bendigo line, compared to the passenger numbers today seems ludicrous.

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Devils advocate here and I have had a good look at these places along the Bendigo line, specifically between Malmsbury and Castlemaine.

There are several places where the singling of the Bendigo line occurred which enabled higher speed curves due to the single track utilising the former double track right of way:

One of the most obvious is the now 145 Km/h curve on the downside of Malmsbury.

There are others at Taradale, Elphinstone, the downside approach to Elphinstone tunnel and the curve through Harcourt platform.

These curve easings were done without widening the curves beyond the former double track and the extra infrastructure that would have been required particularly in the Malmsbury case of shifting tonnes and tonnes of soil due to the curve in the cutting for over 200 meters.

In the event any of these single sections become double track again, there may have to be compromises made to the maximum speeds allowed around some of these curves.

The single Sprinter operating off peak on the Bendigo line, compared to the passenger numbers today seems ludicrous.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Most trains stop at Malmsbury, making a 145 km/h curve speed limit rather pointless.

The extra seconds consumed by rounding curves a bit slower (back at their double track speeds) will well and truly be won back by eliminating the recovery time built Into the timetable to accommodate partental single line delays at crossing loops.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Providing a train with a 160km/h top speed didn't make the RFR a booming success.
A steady upward increase in population combined with a massive increase in service frequencies did.

Right now on a standard weekday, there are 19 passenger train services from Ballarat to Melbourne. Add to that a further 17 services from either Bacchus Marsh or Melton along that line per day.

That means the Ballarat line has 36 trains per day just in one direction. Of course there would be a similar number going in the other direction. All up more than 70 trains per day using that line in 2019.

How many would there of been 20 years ago? 40? Less maybe?

That makes a big difference.

Build it and they will come.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Providing a train with a 160km/h top speed didn't make the RFR a booming success.
A steady upward increase in population combined with a massive increase in service frequencies did.
Gman_86
The fare system restructure in 2007 which saw a 20% in the price of most V/Line trips - and up to 50% of some was another key factor. From Marcus Wong.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Providing a train with a 160km/h top speed didn't make the RFR a booming success.
A steady upward increase in population combined with a massive increase in service frequencies did.
The fare system restructure in 2007 which saw a 20% in the price of most V/Line trips - and up to 50% of some was another key factor. From Marcus Wong.
TOQ-1
a 20% what?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
20% drop in the fare cost.

That was a factor, so was the rising costs of petrol and parking. Also the rising population leading to more traffic congestion, but in my experience, the biggest difference is the more user friendly timetable.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Yes, the fare drop made a difference, but the growth has been basically consistent for over a decade now (excluding the RRL stations), so the timetable is clearly a more important factor.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

There was an advertised intention to reduce a journey time, from memory it was 80 minutes Bendigo to Sunshine. Singling took place to ease curves to save a few more seconds. One track was upgraded, the other was left in the double track sections. There was one "flagship" service each way which was set to achieve the required time. While upgrades have continued, the single sections are a legacy of the original proposal.

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