Heritage Listed Heavy Harry To Be Protected

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 21 May 2019 08:55
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Welcomed news but a better response would or should have been we are announcing funding for the restoration of the locomotive for the community and back to operational status.  Imagine the Kudos Daniel Andrews would receive.

Heritage Listed Heavy Harry To Be Protected

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Welcomed news but a better response would or should have been we are announcing funding for the restoration of the locomotive for the community and back to operational status.  Imagine the Kudos Daniel Andrews would receive.

Heritage Listed Heavy Harry To Be Protected
bevans
Oh no, You've opened that can of worms Laughing
How Much would that cost hey?
You Could only Turn it in Geelong and Melbourne no where else, unless you went tender first from Ballarat to Geelong. Would Love to see it happen but highly unlikely. I guess you could modify it to be split in half for use on smaller turntables? Would that go against its heritage protection?
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
You Could only Turn it in Geelong and Melbourne no where else,
Dangersdan707
Convert it to standard gauge. Then you can turn it at several places in NSW Laughing

Btw, are there really so few broad gauge triangle junctions left in Victoria?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Welcomed news but a better response would or should have been we are announcing funding for the restoration of the locomotive for the community and back to operational status.  Imagine the Kudos Daniel Andrews would receive.
"bevans"
Oh God! . . not again, please.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You Could only Turn it in Geelong and Melbourne no where else, unless you went tender first from Ballarat to Geelong. Would Love to see it happen but highly unlikely. I guess you could modify it to be split in half for use on smaller turntables? Would that go against its heritage protection?
"Dangersdan707"
You do not want to split the engine and tender of a stoker-fed locomotive unless you absolutely have to. It wouldn't need modification, but it's a time-consuming exercise to split, turn both units, run around and re-couple; not something I'd want to do on a fan trip.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
You Could only Turn it in Geelong and Melbourne no where else,
Convert it to standard gauge. Then you can turn it at several places in NSW Laughing

Btw, are there really so few broad gauge triangle junctions left in Victoria?
apw5910
not really any need I guess as most of the traffic flows towards Melbourne and Geelong.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Welcomed news but a better response would or should have been we are announcing funding for the restoration of the locomotive for the community and back to operational status.  Imagine the Kudos Daniel Andrews would receive.
Oh God! . . not again, please.
Valvegear

Well VG this is a good time to be considering this with the BIG BOY recently finished.  I would love to see the old girl back up and running.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Welcomed news but a better response would or should have been we are announcing funding for the restoration of the locomotive for the community and back to operational status.  Imagine the Kudos Daniel Andrews would receive.
Oh God! . . not again, please.

Well VG this is a good time to be considering this with the BIG BOY recently finished.  I would love to see the old girl back up and running.
bevans
Just Rebuilt a Few Triangles and the Ararat Turntable. I assume your paying Laughing
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Well VG this is a good time to be considering this with the BIG BOY recently finished.  I would love to see the old girl back up and running.
"bevans"
I'd love to see the H running again too. I can still remember it, and it was a truly magnificent sight.
But, the Big Boy has an entire continent over which it can operate. Even if you had a money tree to restore the H, where would you run it? If it was gauge convertible, there might be a case for it, but, let's face it, there's nowhere for it to go.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Well VG this is a good time to be considering this with the BIG BOY recently finished.  I would love to see the old girl back up and running.
I'd love to see the H running again too. I can still remember it, and it was a truly magnificent sight.
But, the Big Boy has an entire continent over which it can operate. Even if you had a money tree to restore the H, where would you run it? If it was gauge convertible, there might be a case for it, but, let's face it, there's nowhere for it to go.
Valvegear
Tender First! (and Geelong)
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I feel like there's more chance of piecing 4D back together than seeing Heavy Harry out and about.  
Big Boy was different, we don't have a mega company like Union Pacific backing it.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
A good option would be to have the entire area increased to allow additional items of rolling stock, AND weather proofing the entire area.

Hands down, NSWs indoor protection of its rail heritage puts Victoria to shame.

A diesel X in there and possibly a W class tram ( don't think it has one) as there's plenty of them idle would be useful. The X in light of PNs chop up would be a good gesture.

Surely some more grant funding can be sourced to assist, but weather proofing makes visiting all year round a better option for all types of visitors whilst protecting the exhibits.

A shame this hadn't happened 20 yrs ago, but it's still not too late. It also makes protecting the exhibits easier to achieve, and those efforts longer lasting.

Regards
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A good option would be to have the entire area increased to allow additional items of rolling stock, AND weather proofing the entire area.

Hands down, NSWs indoor protection of its rail heritage puts Victoria to shame.

A diesel X in there and possibly a W class tram ( don't think it has one) as there's plenty of them idle would be useful. The X in light of PNs chop up would be a good gesture.

Surely some more grant funding can be sourced to assist, but weather proofing makes visiting all year round a better option for all types of visitors whilst protecting the exhibits.

A shame this hadn't happened 20 yrs ago, but it's still not too late. It also makes protecting the exhibits easier to achieve, and those efforts longer lasting.
davesvline
I don't wish to sound insulting, but all you are doing is re-inventing the wheel. All of what you say is true, and has been well known to hundreds of us for decades. For well over twenty years, a plan existed to move the museum under cover in the old Newport Workshops building. It hasn't happend, and it won't, because the area is prime real estate. The preservation groups housed there are facing the threat of having to move. Where? God knows, and He's not telling.
It seems that, in Victoria, there are no votes in static historic rail museums; only in working heritage rail.
Finally, please don't remind us of the NSW v Victoria situation; we keep turning green with envy every time it's mentioned.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
For those of us who dont know much about Heavy Harry - see below.

Key piece of info i was looking for to know what the issue is, is the TAL - 23.5 tonnes per axle....  Massive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_Railways_H_class
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
No offence is taken Valvegear.
I mentioned what I did simply because, if the Govt is going to fund a roof over Heavy Harry, it's probably fair to say the museum is going nowhere anytime soon. That's probably regardless of the value of real estate on the other side of the road.

Regards
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Hopefully the ARHS will consider the aesthetics of the site and construct the shelter in the form of traditional VR shedding - high pitch roof with galvanized iron cladding will look great. Colourbond and low pitch roof just doesn't cut it. I am involved in a preservation group which recently had a big shed built - we used a kit builder who had no problem providing a tailor made solution that ticked all the heritage requirements.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I am far too young to have ever seen Heavy Harry run anywhere, in fact, as I was born in the mid 80s, I am far too young to have seen any steam locos run in service, so I would absolutely love to see the biggest baddest of them all rebuilt and running again.

All that would really be needed would be a couple of turning triangles built at Ballarat and Bendigo and there you would have 3 routes the big beast could run to.

Also, while we are at it, why not construct a new S Class Pacific to run on the standard gauge. Or even 2? You could have one to represent their life pre streamlining, and one for their life post streamlining. Now that would get people excited. And I saw that the poms managed to build a new A4 so don't go tellling me its impossible.

I assume all of this is based on a government having access to a never ending supply of funds, so while I'm at it, where the hell is my flying car? We were promised those years ago.


Seriously though, as much as I would love to see all of this, my expectations are firmly based on reality, and that reality suggests to me that I am more likely to be selected to play in the midfield for Collingwood this weekend before any of this other stuff will happen.
  Aiden Teszke Station Master

Location: Somewhere in the Hunter
I am far too young to have ever seen Heavy Harry run anywhere, in fact, as I was born in the mid 80s, I am far too young to have seen any steam locos run in service, so I would absolutely love to see the biggest baddest of them all rebuilt and running again.

All that would really be needed would be a couple of turning triangles built at Ballarat and Bendigo and there you would have 3 routes the big beast could run to.

Also, while we are at it, why not construct a new S Class Pacific to run on the standard gauge. Or even 2? You could have one to represent their life pre streamlining, and one for their life post streamlining. Now that would get people excited. And I saw that the poms managed to build a new A4 so don't go tellling me its impossible.

I assume all of this is based on a government having access to a never ending supply of funds, so while I'm at it, where the hell is my flying car? We were promised those years ago.


Seriously though, as much as I would love to see all of this, my expectations are firmly based on reality, and that reality suggests to me that I am more likely to be selected to play in the midfield for Collingwood this weekend before any of this other stuff will happen.
Gman_86
I'm going to assume that was some kind of satire.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm going to assume that was some kind of satire.
Aiden Teszke
It was; and very well done, too.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Simply no need for two Standard gauge S class.
Streamlining/cowling should be attached using Velcro and zippers, allowing for a quick change over to suit the programme.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Simply no need for two Standard gauge S class.
Streamlining/cowling should be attached using Velcro and zippers, allowing for a quick change over to suit the programme.
michaelgm
I suppose that is the sensible solution.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Welcomed news but a better response would or should have been we are announcing funding for the restoration of the locomotive for the community and back to operational status.  Imagine the Kudos Daniel Andrews would receive.
Oh God! . . not again, please.
Valvegear
Has been done to death ...

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11386397-0-asc-s0.htm

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